Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[TTF14]

From what I understand, Dulin called RA, said he’d like to meet with him, RA said he was on his was to the grocery store, and Dulin said he would meet him there.

I really don’t think there’s any secret shady circumstances about this meeting at all. It was most convenient for the both of them and that’s all.

I agree.

 

[MassGuy]

From what I understand, Dulin called RA, said he’d like to meet with him, RA said he was on his was to the grocery store, and Dulin said he would meet him there.

I really don’t think there’s any secret shady circumstances about this meeting at all. It was most convenient for the both of them and that’s all.

This thing about him going to the grocery store is brand new to me. It was originally reported as Allen declining to meet at his house, and declining to meet at the police station. They settled in the grocery store.

That is a different version of events, and I agree, less meaningful. Where was this from?

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: A tool mark firearm expert was called to testify in day 7 of the #Delphi double murders case. She testified to concluding a pistol taken from Richard Allen’s home cycled the cartridge found near the crime scene in 2017.It’s important to note the cartridge found at the scene had been cycled through a firearm, but the cartridge she used to test was fired.



12:48 PM · Oct 25, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849855552568033539

 

[tlcya]

From what I understand, Dulin called RA, said he’d like to meet with him, RA said he was on his was to the grocery store, and Dulin said he would meet him there.

I really don’t think there’s any secret shady circumstances about this meeting at all. It was most convenient for the both of them and that’s all.

you may well be right. But my understanding was DD offered to come by the house and RA declined, he offered to meet him at station, RA declined, and instead suggested the grocery store parking lot during an errand RA claimed he had.

Maybe nothing unusual at all about that. But IMO it being in a grocery store parking lot, suggests to me that RA wanted to be agreeable and meet DD but not so agreeable as to spend a lot of time meeting with him and not on police territory, or at his own home. This way., RA ensured the contact would be brief. JMO and it is fine if there are those who don't share it.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

They sell them at Tractor Supply and Rural King too. I bet you have many of those in Indiana as well.

Yes, we do. . They even sell them at Meijer in the past - a store similar to Walmart

 

[Web_Sleuth]

I apologize if this isn’t an approved source ( please delete my post if not!) or if it’s been posted already.
It was interesting to have a live update during the lunch break. Pretty similar to news updates we have read.

 

[Elley Mae]

Dulin said he was tasked with assisting with and following up on leads. He told the jury he received a lead on Allen, and Dulin contacted Allen by phone. Dulin told the jury that he requested to meet with Allen at his home, then the police headquarters. Allen refused and requested that they meet at a grocery store parking lot.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with testimony from Dr. Roland Kohr and Sarah Carbaugh. Allen accused of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.wishtv.com

Dulin said he met with Allen in a grocery store parking lot on Feb. 18, 2017. Dulin told the jury they met, spoke about the lead, and Allen said he was on the trails on Feb. 13, 2017, between 1:30 and 3:30 p.m. He also told Dulin he saw three girls at the Freedom Bridge.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

I’m a little confused as to why they “fired” the test bullet - why couldn’t they just cycle it like the bullet found. Did it not create the marks they were looking for so took another step? Just seems odd to me. Hopefully we get more info on why this was necessary.

IMO

 

[Kudzuu]

FWIW

I Heard a portion of an interview with John Grisham on NPR yesterday about his new book. It has cases he reviews where people are covicted on junk science. He called out these experts and the junk science used.

If anyone is interested I'll try to find a link and post it or dm it.

Just let me know.

 

[MassGuy]

I’m a little confused as to why they “fired” the test bullet - why couldn’t they just cycle it like the bullet found. Did it not create the marks they were looking for so took another step? Just seems odd to me.

IMO

We’ll hear more on cross, but we do know that this is how things are done for the usual circumstances (bullet or casing comparison). She says the science says to do it the way she did it.

Logically you get the same markings either way, with the addition of a bonus marking you wouldn’t use (firing pin).

She presumably used the same process for those weapons that were not a match as well.

 

[photographer4]

The date is very helpful to the prosecution in destroying the narrative that the cartridge was swapped out, as there was no suspect when this testing was done.

It would be tremendously helpful if she had tested other firearms in this investigation, those belonging to potential suspects.

Jumping off your post here but not aimed at you MG...

If the State had that bullet tested USING other guns - would that not affect the markings ON that bullet?

I guess I am asking: did they test the bullet found specifically at the scene - the actual bullet - or did they test another one, just like it from a new box?

hope this makes sense. Not an opinion, genuine questions. TY

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m curious to know - was it ever verified that the shots catfish account related to KAK actually contacted either of the girls on 2/13? I just never recall reading anything final regarding that.

“I know for a fact that this Anthony_shots account did have contact with Libby,” Patty told FOX News Senior Correspondent Laura Ingle. “I feel that he knows more than he says.”

https://lawandcrime.com/crime/grand...-online-account-linked-to-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-suspect/

 

[MassGuy]

Jumping off your post here but not aimed at you MG...

If the State had that bullet tested USING other guns - would that not affect the markings ON that bullet?

I guess I am asking: did they test the bullet found specifically at the scene - the actual bullet - or did they test another one, just like it from a new box?

hope this makes sense. Not an opinion, genuine questions. TY

No. That (unfired) cartridge is evidence that they wouldn’t want to destroy.

They simply used a new bullet with each firearm they tested.

So they would then take that fired casing and compare it to the unfired one.

 

[iamshadow21]

Jumping off your post here but not aimed at you MG...

If the State had that bullet tested USING other guns - would that not affect the markings ON that bullet?

I guess I am asking: did they test the bullet found specifically at the scene - the actual bullet - or did they test another one, just like it from a new box?

hope this makes sense. Not an opinion, genuine questions. TY

The round from the scene remains exactly as it was.

There is no way that anyone from LE or forensics put that in a gun at any point. There is no need.

MOO

 

[EllaMinnowP]

This thing about him going to the grocery store is brand new to me. It was originally reported as Allen declining to meet at his house, and declining to meet at the police station. They settled in the grocery store.

That is a different version of events, and I agree, less meaningful. Where was this from?

I’ll try to find it, but I definitely did read it from MSM link posted yesterday. It said something like: as Dulin was testifying about where the meeting was to take place and Richard Allen, deciding on the grocery store, Richard Allen was writing a note to Baldwin, which Baldwin passed to Rozzi. When cross exam came around, Dulin was asked if RA had told him that he was on the way to the grocery store if Dulin wanted to meet him there. And Dulin agreed.

This is just my recollection of an article I read. I will go hunting for it.

 

[photographer4]

No. That (unfired) cartridge is evidence that they wouldn’t want to destroy.

They simply used a new bullet with each firearm they tested.

So they would then take that fired casing and compare it to the unfired one.

Ok thanks for clarifying. Sounds like they FIRED one and compared it to the UNFIRED bullet found at the scene? If so, how reliable is it? I hope the bullet issues make more sense at the end of this trial... mooo

 

[MassGuy]

Ok thanks for clarifying. Sounds like they FIRED one and compared it to the UNFIRED bullet found at the scene? If so, how reliable is it? I hope the bullet issues make more sense at the end of this trial... mooo

Correct. What will be telling is cross. The defense has had forever to prepare for this, and they will surely have a plan in place to refute it.

 

[photographer4]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

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Obergt shows the jury a powerpoint presentation that came to the conclusion that the gun collected from Allen’s home in 2022 had indeed cycled the cartridge that was found near the bodies of Libby and Abby.

Obergt tested another cartridge with the gun found in Allen’s home to see if the tool marks would match.

She showed the jury five images of the test cartridge compared to the cartridge at the scene. She told the jury that several marks were in agreement.

Obergt testified that the cartridge at the scene had NOT been fired, but that the test cartridge HAD been fired. She told the jury there was research to back up doing it that way.

Thanks for the info! I was confused about this - I am aware there is research for and against bullet marks... This idea that they used a test bullet and fired it and it matched the UNFIRED had "several marks in agreement" doesn't cut it for me quite. Ugh. Thanks. MOOO

 

[Betty P]

The date is very helpful to the prosecution in destroying the narrative that the cartridge was swapped out, as there was no suspect when this testing was done.

It would be tremendously helpful if she had tested other firearms in this investigation, those belonging to potential suspects.

Yes, I felt much relieved to read that she analyzed and reported on the cartridge shortly after it was found.

Not questioning her skills, but I was surprised that the state of Indiana didn't seem to have its own officer qualified to do firearms forensics.

 

[photographer4]

you may well be right. But my understanding was DD offered to come by the house and RA declined, he offered to meet him at station, RA declined, and instead suggested the grocery store parking lot during an errand RA claimed he had.

Maybe nothing unusual at all about that. But IMO it being in a grocery store parking lot, suggests to me that RA wanted to be agreeable and meet DD but not so agreeable as to spend a lot of time meeting with him and not on police territory, or at his own home. This way., RA ensured the contact would be brief. JMO and it is fine if there are those who don't share it.

I was thinking about this last night -I wouldn't want to have LE come to my home either in a small town where two kids were murdered close to my home!! Especially not if everyone knows everyone, or they arrived in cop cars and or in uniform!! No way! Mooooo.