Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[tlcya]

IMO he wanted a location away from his house but not the police station. Of course he can always tell his wife whatever story he wants as long as the meeting isn't at his home where she could be home and hear what is said and know the extent to which he *actually* cooperated.

Meeting at a parking lot, he could tell his wife he met them at the police station, gave DNA, his phone, fingerprints anything. He can make up whatever story he wants because she won't know.

I tend to agree with this, if KA knew indeed knew about his self report, by meeting at the parking lot RA could drive the narrative of how that self report went down however he wanted.

 

[TTF14]

Not really. Infrastructure is expensive and there are only like three major carriers in the US. I think there were four back then as Sprint and T-mobile hadn’t merged yet. Your smaller carriers (Boost, Metro, Cricket, etc) are MVNOs that essentially buy cellular time from one of the major carriers. If he had a phone that was on and connected, it would be in one of the dumps.

All my opinion.

Thank you.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

Yes - threads moving fast - and forgot to post this on the last one...



I always back into a parking spot. Easier to get out - especially if you have a BIG van or SUV next to you...



Does not Indiana require front & back plates? California does. So does Latvia.

Indiana does not. Only rear plates.

 

[ClearAhead]

Starting at about 35 mins in the latest episode of the Murder Sheet. The first 2022 interview with Allen, he says that day he had the day off, his wife was at work.

JMO

CORRECTED - He corrects himself to say RA claimed Kathy was at work that day, RA was off work.
But then immediately after KG corrects himself “no strike that. I don’t think he says Kathy was at work, I don’t know why I wrote that in my notes”.

 

[m00c0w]

The round at the crime scene was a Winchester brand .40 S&W cartridge. This is consistent with the single round found in the keepsake box at the house.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

www.wishtv.com

I wonder if this is will turn out to be why they wanted the search warrant to be thrown out so badly.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Prosecutors have alleged that an unspent round found between the bodies of Abby and Libby had been cycled through Allen's Sig Sauer, Model P226, .40-caliber handgun. Oberg, who analyzed the Winchester .40-caliber Smith & Wesson round found at the crime scene, testified that it had three ejector marks on the head and three extractor marks under the rim.

At some point during the technical testimony, Allen looked around the courtroom and up at the stained glass ceiling while swiveling in his chair.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849840921879121975

 

[Blue-moon]

But then immediately after KG corrects himself “no strike that. I don’t think he says Kathy was at work, I don’t know why I wrote that in my notes”.

i believe it’s the other way around - MS initially say that both KA and RA were off and then correct themselves to say that KA was working and RA was not working. I just listened to this again to double check.

 

[Cedars]

But then immediately after KG corrects himself “no strike that. I don’t think he says Kathy was at work, I don’t know why I wrote that in my notes”.

I hear the opposite, he starts by saying 'Kathy was OFF work' but then they both correct that, 'Kathy was at work, Richard was off'.

JMO

 

[joe jones]

Is there any sort of link you can share where it was reported KA was at work on the day of the murders? Because to my knowledge there is nothing we can link within TOS that explains what Mrs. Allen was doing that day or where she was doing it although there has been speculation about it. MOO

It was testified to in court I heard it on some video recaps I think the murder sheet mentioned they heard it testified to, I can't remember which one of the witnesses testified to it

 

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[Mind your biscuits]

If Mr Pirate came home and washed his jacket 10 times in a row, claiming he got some mud, food or dog doo on it from whatever he was doing, I would buy it. The last thing I would think is it had some relation to what happened the other day around the high bridge. Assuming the washing happened within hours or whatever of the big news in Delphi. But then fast forward to RA finally being arrested. At that point the jacket washing might make me go ...HUMMM.
This is ALL just my opinion. There is nothing to say he washed it or whatever. Just a little scenario I made up in my mind only.

I wonder what he did with his boots? I'd definitely notice if my husband's boots were missing. Moo

 

[INfisherman]

I’m just curious - I know Kline isn’t a suspect and I’m not placing him as such - just wondered if BG - RA could have known the girls would be there that day…with them possibly being in contact with Kline —-and then RA visiting Peru that same day - do we know where Kline lived, was located, anything that could assume they had a friendship or something strange to tip off RA to the girls going to the bridge. Could RA have been with Kline that day, in his way to see mom in Peru or anything like that.

I also don’t recall if they just announced that day “Hey we want to go to the bridge” and asked Kelsi to take them? All just thinking out loud. Thanks for any info!

JMO

Bouncing off of this. Utter speculation on motive or events prior to Delphi murders - TLDR

Allegedly RA went to visit his mother in Peru, where KAK was known to live at various times. KAK & RA could have known one another via (apologies for the term) underage rings. Utter speculation. But if they did, according to an interview between KAK & ISP detective Vido & deputy Clinton, someone was using KAK’s Anthony Shots account to contact Libby the day of the murders. KAK of course denies it but he also alludes to someone else potentially using his devices and that shots account to communicate with Libby. Could this have been what drew the girls to MHB? RA was in the same town the same day. Detectives found evidence of KAK doing all kinds of searches on Delphi murders, DNA expiration & within 3 days of the murders, searching for past unsolved murder cases like JB Ramsey, OJ, etc.

Also, after murders, someone is again using the shots account, allegedly messaging with friend of AW/LG & claims he (shots) was supposed to meet with them in Delphi. KAK also deleted many things from his phone a few days before & after the murders.

Could the 2nd user have been RA or even KAK arranging the meeting? Maybe that’s why BG was walking with such a supposed purpose? More coincidence? I’m afraid we’ll never know.

Interview regarding Delphi starts on p.125 & continues forever from there. Whole thing might be worth reading to some. Possibly not really anything new for some, but just spitballing. Warning, some of the interview discusses lots of underage for which KAK has been convicted. Interestingly, a few of those charges were dropped at so,e point.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...QQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2UCec4pq8ZIE22ETk6MKZ3

Thanks to @sunshineray for the link!

All JMO YMMV

 

[Spartygirl]

One of the things that I have seen reported was his wife was at work, so expected home that day. So after doing all the things at the bridge to commit crimes which I still think would have taken longer than all the parameters of the time line he then has to go home and clean up. His jeans would have been wet through, his boots and socks also, so he had to either wash or throw them away. we don't know if the jacket was wet or dirty also.
I don't know what time she was expected home but it would have been only an hour or two post the murders. And IMO he appeared exactly the same as he usually did as I firmly believe that if RA is the murderer she knew nothing, him being able to appear as he usually was when he was a first time perpetrator IMO is extraordinary, then to go to work the next day and doing the photos for one of the victims families again showing no red flags.
Going to work everyday in that initial period after the murders when the whole town would have been talking about it and wondering who did it, to seeing posters of bridge guy everywhere, plus the sketches and he is able to outwardly be no different to all the people who knew him. To choose to reveal to LE he was on trails (LE would never have found him otherwise IMO).
One of the reasons I am not fully on the RA is the one is what has been revealed about his personality pre and post the murders, let's see what the state has up it's sleeve today to tip me off the fence.
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His (RA) wife was out of town, taking care of her mother. IIRC

He was the only one home.

 

[dub]

His (RA) wife was out of town, taking care of her mother. IIRC

He was the only one home.

I recall her being out of town too, I was wondering where I’d gotten that and glad to hear I didn’t just make that up

 

[ClearAhead]

i believe it’s the other way around - MS initially say that both KA and RA were off and then correct themselves to say that KA was working and RA was not working. I just listened to this again to double check.

I apologize, you’re right, my mistake. Correction to - At first he thinks RA has testified that KA was off work, then he corrects himself to say RA was off work and KA was at work.

I’d expect employment records/time sheets for both will be introduced at some point. If in fact his wife took some time off and wasn’t home, another strike against RA for lying. JMO

 

[photographer4]

The state's theory is based on evidence. The defense's theory is based on fantasy ranging from improbable to impossible.

Three girls with a child saw BG, RA saw girls with a child. That's easy math as I see it, especially considering all of them recognized BG from the video, and two of them got his clothing right (according to Allen himself).

Meh... they saw a guy on the bridge. Doesn't make him a killer imo. In this day and age, I want the state to prove to me that the man on trial is the man who killed the kids. Do this with DNA and electronics. Show me why it cannot have been someone else. Given our forensic capabilities from 2017 to now - I'm afraid knowing only what we know so far, I'd be the juror that would NOT convict him. So far nothing electronic has linked RA to the crime yet?? Patiently waiting on the proverbial fence to be moved one way or the other.... MOOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I’m curious to know - was it ever verified that the shots catfish account related to KAK actually contacted either of the girls on 2/13? I just never recall reading anything final regarding that.

Me either, how odd.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Obergt tells the jury describes the testing of a firearm and how an analysis is performed. She tells the jury the main thing that allows an examiner to make a conclusion is test firing a firearm and comparing with two microscopes. She says she then makes one of three conclusions: identification, inconclusive or exclusion.

Prosecution shows the jury the actual cartridge from the crime scene and photos of it from Obergt’s examination.

Obergt says the cartridge was tested for DNA first and she noticed there was no biological substance on it, that it was in good condition and was a Winchester brand 40 cal. cartridge.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

www.wishtv.com

Also no corrosion on it so it had not been out in the elements for any length of time. I like this witness, matter of fact and knows her subject matter well. IMO

 

[justtrish]

The round at the crime scene was a Winchester brand .40 S&W cartridge. This is consistent with the single round found in the keepsake box at the house.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

www.wishtv.com

I wonder if this is will turn out to be why they wanted the search warrant to be thrown out so badly.

JMO

In order to leave one bullet at the crime scene, he likely tried to "" the gun again to scare them and that would eject the first round that was already in the chamber. If we believe he cocked the gun on the bridge to scare them, then cocking it again ejects that bullet and would load another... so he's leaving the crime scene with one on the ground and one in the chamber. I'd say it could be possible he took that bullet out and kept it in that little box.

 

[Yemelyan]

Info from Fox 59 reporters on the firearms testimony:

She first analyzed the round on Feb. 17, 2017—three days after the girls were found dead. Her toolmark analysis came after DNA and fingerprint analysis on the cartridge.

She called herself a “DNA and fingerprint destroyer,” saying that DNA and fingerprint analysis must come first because of the process.

Oberg testified that she saw no corrosive evidence to indicate the unspent round had been out in the weather for a long period of time. She said it was in “good condition” and “non-remarkable.” It was much like the thousands of rounds she’s seen in various conditions throughout her career.

She saw three possible ejector marks and three possible extractor marks on the cartridge and showed jurors photographs of the marks.

Before Oberg progressed much further in her testimony, the defense asked for a break in the proceedings, which Judge Fran Gull granted.

Source: https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...toolmark-methodology-unspent-bullet-evidence/