Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[Web_Sleuth]

I wonder if his credit cards and bank accounts can be checked for any purchases at stores that carry Carhartt. From my googling there is are two stores in Indiana that do, both about 1 hr 30 minutes from him. It would be really interesting if there is a charge from either. Of course he could have used cash, which means he would have to be in person. I would love to see cameras from those stores in the days/weeks after the murders, especially his days off!

I live in Indiana - I believe there are many more than 2 that sell Carhartt from what I have seen around.

 

[flashy09]

Some eyewitnesses mentioned BG seemed overdressed. He could have worn clothing in layers, which is common around IN due to weather changes. It’s possible BG planned ahead & brought trash bags in his trunk. He was allegedly parked so his trunk was facing away from prying eyes at the CPS bldg. Assuming the timeline/testimony is correct, he could have easily peeled off layers at his car, placed them in a trash bag & returned home with clean clothes on. The bag could have been disposed of prior to coming home or burned at his house or elsewhere. More than likely he’d have to know in advance where his wife was going to be. Blood could have potentially been dried if he in fact did head N from crime scene & returned to car along 300N.

All JMO

I wonder if the local dumpsters have cameras. It would have been interesting to have checked them.

 

[tlcya]

One of the things that I have seen reported was his wife was at work, so expected home that day. So after doing all the things at the bridge to commit crimes which I still think would have taken longer than all the parameters of the time line he then has to go home and clean up. His jeans would have been wet through, his boots and socks also, so he had to either wash or throw them away. we don't know if the jacket was wet or dirty also.
I don't know what time she was expected home but it would have been only an hour or two post the murders. And IMO he appeared exactly the same as he usually did as I firmly believe that if RA is the murderer she knew nothing, him being able to appear as he usually was when he was a first time perpetrator IMO is extraordinary, then to go to work the next day and doing the photos for one of the victims families again showing no red flags.
Going to work everyday in that initial period after the murders when the whole town would have been talking about it and wondering who did it, to seeing posters of bridge guy everywhere, plus the sketches and he is able to outwardly be no different to all the people who knew him. To choose to reveal to LE he was on trails (LE would never have found him otherwise IMO).
One of the reasons I am not fully on the RA is the one is what has been revealed about his personality pre and post the murders, let's see what the state has up it's sleeve today to tip me off the fence.
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Is there any sort of link you can share where it was reported KA was at work on the day of the murders? Because to my knowledge there is nothing we can link within TOS that explains what Mrs. Allen was doing that day or where she was doing it although there has been speculation about it. MOO

 

[TTF14]

Not sure if this has been responded to, yet. Thread moves quickly.

The tower dumps will contain records for devices that connected to the tower(s) in the area for each service provider. For his phone to work (or at least use mobile data), it would have had to have connected to a cell tower. And there would be records of this connection.

If they were able to get his actual call detail records, it would show data usage (but not necessarily what websites or what the data was specifically used for). I doubt this happened, as I believe most providers only keep records for a year or two at most because of the sheer volume.

I think it’s most likely they have tower dumps for the providers that use that tower’s resources and his phone does not appear in the logs.

All my opinion.

Thank you.

So, is it possible he used a provider that doesn't use that tower's resources (if they didn't find his phone in the dump I mean, which we don't know yet)? Do burner phones use alternate (for lack of a better word) providers?

 

[dub]

To clarify, according to this article, here's the exact words Mullin used, when RA was shown a photo of BG:

"If the picture was taken with the girls' camera, there was no way it was him,'"

Richard Allen was not on Delphi investigators' radar. Then a volunteer found a box of tips.

Testimonies in the double-murder trial revealed how investigators focused on Richard Allen in 2022.

www.jconline.com

There’s an implication of this I somehow had never considered before.

In looking at RA’s implied framing of the situation, I had previously focused on the clothing aspect, and didn’t put much weight in his statement. But the location is way more important.

What he is implying here is that someone could conceivably have taken a picture of him that day at that exact spot on the bridge, yet in addition to “not seeing the girls” he didn’t see that person either. Sure man that totally makes sense.

Maybe I’m dense and am the last one on here to realize that haha which if that’s the case I apologize!

 

[Niner]

Yes - threads moving fast - and forgot to post this on the last one...

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THAT^^^ is interesting. I'd always wondered why he backed in. Maybe he just likes to park that way for whatever reason?

I always back into a parking spot. Easier to get out - especially if you have a BIG van or SUV next to you...

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The idea that RA backed into his spot at the old building in order to conceal his license plate does not make sense IMO.

Does not Indiana require front & back plates? California does. So does Latvia.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

A blue jacket was found but zero proof it’s the same one as over 5 years had passed before his arrest unfortunately. Just like how he had clearly gotten rid of his phone from 2017.

Yeah. The unfortunate thing is that so much time had elapsed from the time of the murders until his arrest. An innocent person could have replaced both of these items. I had a phone for three years and had to replace it because it was damaged. I really think that if he were guilty, his wife has to know things that RA did at the time that now must make her suspicious. I doubt she would ever admit it, though.

JMO.

 

[m00c0w]

Thank you.

So, is it possible he used a provider that doesn't use that tower's resources (if they didn't find his phone in the dump I mean, which we don't know yet)? Do burner phones use alternate (for lack of a better word) providers?

Not really. Infrastructure is expensive and there are only like three major carriers in the US. I think there were four back then as Sprint and T-mobile hadn’t merged yet. Your smaller carriers (Boost, Metro, Cricket, etc) are MVNOs that essentially buy cellular time from one of the major carriers. If he had a phone that was on and connected, it would be in one of the dumps.

All my opinion.

 

[ClearAhead]

RA mental health pre incarceration would be my guess. Moo

That would be my guess as well based on his diagnosis of major depressive disorder and anxiety. And this is only Day 7. If it’s true his mental health is visibly deteriorating rapidly I fear he’ll never last for another three weeks. IMO the D aren’t doing him any favours by ignoring it. JMO

 

[Cedars]

Is there any sort of link you can share where it was reported KA was at work on the day of the murders? Because to my knowledge there is nothing we can link within TOS that explains what Mrs. Allen was doing that day or where she was doing it although there has been speculation about it. MOO

Starting at about 35 mins in the latest episode of the Murder Sheet. The first 2022 interview with Allen, he says that day he had the day off, his wife was at work.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

I wonder if lab techs can estimate how many times a garment has been laundered by looking at thread wear, etc.

As always, JMO.

I think they are washable and don't need to be dry cleaned

I am the one who does the laundry in my house. If my husband took a sudden interest in washing his jacket, I would wonder WHY. He doesn't do laundry. If I discovered the washer going with his jacket in it, I would definitely question him why he was washing his jacket.

After hearing that a suspect was wearing a similar jacket at a vicious crime scene where my husband happened to be that day, I would hate it, but there is no way that I would NOT suspect him of being involved. This would be too coincidental for me to rationalize.

JMO.

Is it was early enough in the day he could have washed and dried it and hung it up way before she got home.

then washed it another day when she was also gone

 

[Kudzuu]

I have coats from 30 years ago. We are well off and have a very expensive home. That coat was fairly new. I am suspicious if it has not be located. WHY would you just discard a jacket? I actually posted photos of him in that jacket (taken from Facebook), but they were removed because they were not from an approved source.

JMO.

Because it is stained with blood and mud? From an execution of two young girls?
IMO.
Also I bought a Carhartt winter coat as a Christmas gift and that sucker was around $300. I had no clue. But it was a specific coat and probably the most expensive.

 

[flashy09]

I am the one who does the laundry in my house. If my husband took a sudden interest in washing his jacket, I would wonder WHY. He doesn't do laundry. If I discovered the washer going with his jacket in it, I would definitely question him why he was washing his jacket.

After hearing that a suspect was wearing a similar jacket at a vicious crime scene where my husband happened to be that day, I would hate it, but there is no way that I would NOT suspect him of being involved. This would be too coincidental for me to rationalize.

JMO.

This is what I can't understand. What did KA think when the BG video and photo and voice were still all over the news with LE desperate for someone to recognize him *after* RA talked to the police? Why didn't she call and say "take my husband's photo on the bridge off the flier, he has been cleared!" Why didn't RA? Did he convince her that wasn't him? Lie to her about DNA samples, etc? What about all the coworkers and friends he must have told because it's quite a story to just miss saving the girls and help the police out and all that? Maybe it's hard to randomly recognize someone off the BG video, but when you know your husband/friend/coworker was there? What in the world did he tell them...or not tell them?

 

[tlcya]

Starting at about 35 mins in the latest episode of the Murder Sheet. The first 2022 interview with Allen, he says that day he had the day off, his wife was at work.

JMO

thank you. So RA says KA was at work on the day of the murders. Interesting. And RA said his wife told him to self report but he opted to meet DD at the Save-A-Lot rather than his home or the cop shop. Got it.

 

[Arkay]

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203



Sorry, catching up and had trouble carrying this over from last thread so I took a screenshot.

Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and points of view.

I would have to disagree with this opinion, strenuously.

We agree that Libby took this video. Good.

Why did she record this man, then? She was on the bridge to hang out with Abby and take fun pictures of them enjoying their day. Why waste her time taking videos of some random man on the bridge unless she felt compelled to do so for some reason?

IMO there absolutely had to be something about his presence that led her to turn her camera on him and record.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, how much is a video worth? Why would LE manipulate a video and insert threatening words emanating from this bridge guy? To look like they solved the case? If that’s so, why would they choose to foist these words on a man with no criminal history, a family man, mild- mannered CVS clerk? That makes their job more difficult.

And the girls DID go down the hill.

The video has been enhanced for clarity, not manipulated. This is not a Kardashian filtering to look prettier.

Again, we both believe Libby took the video. So again, why record this man?

He told them to go down the hill. They did. Libby was brave and brilliant to capture him the best she could as he was capturing them.

JMO

 

[Jade]

Well I hope we hear testimony about that, if he did have a drinking problem he was able to function very well with it,

What makes you think RA functioned very well? I don't see any evidence of that.

The night his wife called LE to deal with him doesn’t sound like he was functioning too well.

He was a clerk and then entry level pharmacy tech at CVS making 15, 16 $ an hour?

He has no known associations with any charitable work or any community involvement for the better good.

He played pool at a bar was the only hobby noted and the bar owner only friend known.

He didn’t even fake going Christmas shopping with his wife he disappeared to the car to get on his phone by himself where she had to “stalk” him down.

And since he is on trial now as the suspect of a perverted killing of two minors I wouldn’t even say he has functioned ok.


all imo

 

[Bbgiraffe]

thank you. So RA says KA was at work on the day of the murders. Interesting. And RA said his wife told him to self report but he opted to meet DD at the Save-A-Lot rather than his home or the cop shop. Got it.

IMO he wanted a location away from his house but not the police station. Of course he can always tell his wife whatever story he wants as long as the meeting isn't at his home where she could be home and hear what is said and know the extent to which he *actually* cooperated.

Meeting at a parking lot, he could tell his wife he met them at the police station, gave DNA, his phone, fingerprints anything. He can make up whatever story he wants because she won't know.

 

[WildHuncher]

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

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Sorry, catching up and had trouble carrying this over from last thread so I took a screenshot.

Of course we are all entitled to our opinions and points of view.

I would have to disagree with this opinion, strenuously.

We agree that Libby took this video. Good.

Why did she record this man, then? She was on the bridge to hang out with Abby and take fun pictures of them enjoying their day. Why waste her time taking videos of some random man on the bridge unless she felt compelled to do so for some reason?

IMO there absolutely had to be something about his presence that led her to turn her camera on him and record.

If a picture is worth a thousand words, how much is a video worth? Why would LE manipulate a video and insert threatening words emanating from this bridge guy? To look like they solved the case? If that’s so, why would they choose to foist these words on a man with no criminal history, a family man, mild- mannered CVS clerk? That makes their job more difficult.

And the girls DID go down the hill.

The video has been enhanced for clarity, not manipulated. This is not a Kardashian filtering to look prettier.

Again, we both believe Libby took the video. So again, why record this man?

He told them to go down the hill. They did. Libby was brave and brilliant to capture him the best she could as he was capturing them.

JMO

They ran the last part of the bridge. Sheer joy of running, or were they afraid?

 

[ClearAhead]

IIRC, didn't police track down shoes purchased by Jason Young (who was accused of murdering his wife, Michelle)?

I would think that police would be able to track down the purchase of his jacket and of a subsequent purchase if he bought another one that looked like it. To me, if he replaced the jacket, that would be most suspicious.

JMO.

Yes indeed sometimes LE have been able to match the purchase of shoes by the accused to footprints present at a crime scene. I’m hoping we will learn if Carhartt can determine when RA’s jacket was manufactured and if it’s later than 2017, obviously it’s a different one. Presently we’re hearing analysis of the bullet and after that I think we’ll hear more about other items. MOO

 

[daynaRT]

Does not Indiana require front & back plates? California does. So does Latvia.

Only rear plates in Indiana.