Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[arielilane]

Allen was first investigated in 2017 and again in October 2022. After a second police interview, he was taken into custody.

The trial began Oct. 18 and was expected to continue through mid-November. Sixteen Allen County residents sit as the jury on the case.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

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Updated: Oct 25, 2024 / 04:40 PM EST

 

[Spartygirl]

One of the 20,000 sources I’ve read lol

The 20,000 sources Ive read say that DD called RA, asked if he (DD) could come to RA's house, RA said ''NO" so DD asked RA to come to the Police station and RA said "NO"
RA wanted to meet at the grocery store.

I can think of multiple reasons why he did not want to go to the police station and multiple reasons why he did not want LE at his house.

"Dulin said he was tasked with assisting with and following up on leads. He told the jury he received a lead on Allen, and Dulin contacted Allen by phone. Dulin told the jury that he requested to meet with Allen at his home, then the police headquarters. Allen refused and requested that they meet at a grocery store parking lot."

Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with testimony from Dr. Roland Kohr and Sarah Carbaugh. Allen accused of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German.

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[katydid23]

Lots of talk about RA jacket. If I'm correct it was a (CARHARTT JACKET),And if you are familiar with this brand and have ever washed it in your home washing machine then you know it can take a toll on your washer. Also if the jacket had blood on it, it would stain it. Its very hard to get stains out of that material, almost like a heavy canvas. No mention of blood on shoes. And if he had blood on him it most surely would have transferred to areas in his car. So much time has gone by. who knows.
I'm still scratching my head that they didn't bag those girls hands and collect evidence from under their nails.

They did bag their hands but their fingernails were very very short and nothing was found beneath them. If he had them at gunpoint most of the time they probably never had a chance to scratch him. When he finally put the gun down he held a knife to their throats, so again, no chance to scratch him. IMO

 

[KSwizzle]

I'm just saying as an engineer the pressures and forces from firing a bullet compared to racking one, I have a hard time believing it would be the EXACT same patterns, most likely similar but I think it's disingenuous to straight up say it's the same but more pronounced, different forces, even different age of the gun compared to when the bullet was found

 

[MassGuy]

I'm feeling a lot better about the ammo/gun evidence now that it's coming out that they started working on it back in 2017 and not just after RA was arrested.

Yes, first, this cripples the chain of custody argument. That round was immediately tested, and it's not like they waited until they had Allen's to compare it with.

Secondly, not only was this round tested back in 2017, but three other firearms were tested against it that same year.

Third, over the years, 4 other firearms were tested.

This is a nice recovery from yesterday, and I'd argue much more important.

 

[m00c0w]

I'm thinking the same, also, wouldn't a fired bullet be different to one that hasn't been fired.

JMO MOO JMT

It would, in general. But the question is about very specific types of markings. The markings wouldn’t be substantially different, just stronger and more apparent. The rest of the cartridge doesn’t super matter, because they’re not being compared.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

It would, in general. But the question is about very specific types of markings. The markings wouldn’t be substantially different, just stronger and more apparent. The rest of the cartridge doesn’t super matter, because they’re not being compared.

JMO

Yes, they're just not comparing the markings made by the firing pin, which are normally included in the analysis.

 

[cbeagle]

I'm thinking the same, also, wouldn't a fired bullet be different to one that hasn't been fired.

JMO MOO JMT

As the witness said, that's the recommended scientific approach. Presumably based on studies.

 

[m00c0w]

I'm just saying as an engineer the pressures and forces from firing a bullet compared to racking one, I have a hard time believing it would be the EXACT same patterns, most likely similar but I think it's disingenuous to straight up say it's the same but more pronounced, different forces, even different age of the gun compared to when the bullet was found

How much pressure is exerted on the casing by an extractor and ejector when fired versus the slide being manually racked?

 

[ClearAhead]

Cartridge markings, carhartt, hands bagged or not, grocery store parking lot and backing in to park.

Did I miss anything? Just trying to keep up.

Maybe a missing juror or alternate, we’re not sure.

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe a missing juror or alternate, we’re not sure.

Allegedly it's an alternate, but I haven't seen any followup. This will definitely be a point of discussion. We should be getting more info any minute on the proceedings, hopefully they figure out what happened with the juror.

 

[dub]

Yes, he’s battled depression, anxiety, a possible alcohol disorder. Of course, most people who battle those don’t commit murder. But some do. A higher proportion of murderers are likely to have a personality disorder.

jmo

Sorry it's kind of semantics, but none of those things are under the category of personality disorders.

Although I wouldn’t be surprised at all if murderers also didn’t have higher rates of the disorders you mentioned than the general population - in fact I’d be surprised if they didn’t.

[I’m a therapist so I can’t help it, but it’s also important to note in the context of assessing the statistics]

 

[KSwizzle]

I'm not exactly sure I'm hoping that when I read a transcript they explain that to the jury along with other factors that could be in play as in how well was RA maintaining and using is firearm, there's no corrosion on the bullet but explain to me the juror how long it takes to be corroded in the weather conditions present and how the said bullet was in the ground, let me show you how when I did these tests it was approximately the same temperature and atmospheric pressure as when this happened outside etc etc

 

[steeltowngirl]

The 20,000 sources Ive read say that DD called RA, asked if he (DD) could come to RA's house, RA said ''NO" so DD asked RA to come to the Police station and RA said "NO"
RA wanted to meet at the grocery store.

I can think of multiple reasons why he did not want to go to the police station and multiple reasons why he did not want LE at his house.

"Dulin said he was tasked with assisting with and following up on leads. He told the jury he received a lead on Allen, and Dulin contacted Allen by phone. Dulin told the jury that he requested to meet with Allen at his home, then the police headquarters. Allen refused and requested that they meet at a grocery store parking lot."

Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with testimony from Dr. Roland Kohr and Sarah Carbaugh. Allen accused of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.wishtv.com

If nothing else, RA wasn’t being all that cooperative. If RA was just being a good citizen, why didn’t he just do what was asked of him and meet where the extremely busy LE team requested him to meet? Too inconvenient for him? Two young girls in his town had been brutally murdered.

jmo

 

[arielilane]

Delphi jurors hear from firearms expert about unspent round. Follow live

Updated 5:04 p.m. ET October 25, 2024

 

[Inthedetails]

Slow and steady wins the race.

(I know it's not a race.)

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

Cartridge markings, carhartt, hands bagged or not, grocery store parking lot and backing in to park.

Did I miss anything? Just trying to keep up.

Yes, a juror is missing.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

but it’s also important to note in the context of assessing the statistics

Context and semantics are important - Dihydrogen oxide is found in 100% of crime victims yet it can’t be banned… for instance… what one says and how one says it are really important- in my opinion

 

[ClearAhead]

Sorry it's kind of semantics, but none of those things are under the category of personality disorders.

Although I wouldn’t be surprised at all if murderers also didn’t have higher rates of the disorders you mentioned than the general population - in fact I’d be surprised if they didn’t.

[I’m a therapist so I can’t help it, but it’s also important to note in the context of assessing the statistics]

I have to wonder to what extent RA sought treatment or received a diagnosis beyond MDD and anxiety, especially if both his mother and wife tended to turn a blind eye. MOO

 

[gremlin444]

Someone (can't find it) asked why wouldn't there be blood on the bullet since the girls were so bloody and so was the crime scene.

If you look on drawings of the crime scene from a few days ago that reporters made there was no pool of blood on the ground where the bullet was found between the girls and next to Libby's foot. (there were 2 reporters that did drawings that I recall, here's one:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848500954670264538

)

It likely fell straight out of either his pocket or the gun right at that location. It wasn't dragged over to that spot accidentally because that would have shown up as disruption in the soil as well as the fact that it wouldn't have then ended up tip down. IMHO, MOO, etc.