Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Mitch1]

That's apparently why YOU wouldn't self report.
Everyone handles things the way that we see fit, IMO.

I learn something new everyday. Hey, you don’t know what you don’t know

 

[MiniMoo]

i wonder if he will take the stand to tell us if he really did it. i suspect he needs to.

His original interviews are testimony enough when he said over 20 times that he didn't do it.

25 times I think.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Arkay]

I am a statistician . And I think he’s cooked. I’ve been trying to put the pieces of this bizarre crime together for years and his story is the first one I heard that makes sense and ties it all together.

Thank you, @Lilbirdie !

One of my best friends is a Ph.D professor of statistics, but he has no interest in true crime (or practically anything else that isn’t numerically related), so I knew I couldn’t ask him. He wouldn’t have even heard of Abby and Libby.

It’s great to hear your statistical take on the probabilities!

Jmo

 

[steeltowngirl]

i wonder if he will take the stand to tell us if he really did it. i suspect he needs to.

I was betting he would, but at this point maybe not. The confessions already sampled his voice to the jury. He may not want to risk more.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

But this process HAS been unfair. There’s a reason all the lawyers agree on this.

If you havent already...
Generally speaking...

In what ways do your colleagues and you believe this trial has been unfair to RA...
Or ... just... unfair?

I am truly curious... not being a lawyer myself...

TIA...

And...

JMO...

 

[mrjitty]

I think it got excluded because the judge is very biased against the defense. I think that was an incorrect ruling on her part.

i was kind of surprised KAK got excluded.

The Odinists there was no evidence linking them to the murders.

RL the defense didn’t seem to be interested in judging from the 5 mins of argument they dedicated to it. Quite surprising IMO but there must be some reason why he wasn’t useful.

MOO

 

[Salah11]

His original interviews are testimony enough when he said over 20 times that he didn't do it.

25 times I think.

JMO MOO JMT

Him being out on the bridge and dressed as the killer would suggest otherwise.

Moo

 

[TristanP]

Not uncommon behaviour….we see it a lot in prison, usually as a part of a protest but not always

It is *extremely rare* for someone to be playing with or eating their own feces as part of a protest. They might save some and throw it at guards but they're not rolling around in it.

 

[Mitch1]

I absolutely would.
If someone is basing their entire opinion of RA’s guilt or innocence on him telling police he had been at the trails, they are willfully closing their eyes to a lot of incriminating evidence.

Opinion

Only 3 people know absolute fact.

FACTS!

 

[KSwizzle]

Him being out on the bridge and dressed as the killer would suggest otherwise.

Moo

Outside of his confessions which are a point of contention there's literally nothing to prove bridge guy was the killer, in fact, the one witness SC saw a muddy and bloody person wearing different clothes than bridge guy. This all rests on the confessions, my opinion only

 

[justtrish]

So like, how many of y’all who think he is absolutely guilty would (after this case) volunteer that you were somewhere on the same day and time a murdered occurred?

I 100% would and I've said from the beginning if I was there or even my husband and we narrowly missed a killed, I would be haunted for the rest of days that I could have prevented this or warned the girls or somehow been able to do something or see something that could change the countcome. It would bother me and I would be offering to help the police any way I could. I would offer my phone so they could see exactly where I was and when. I would hope it could help them narrow down a timeline.

That is not what I think happened here. I went to police because his wife said to since she knew he was there that day. He did and he held his breath for years wondering if/when LE was going to come knocking.

Kathy said it all when she said "you told me you weren't on the bridge"

He didn't happen to be on the trail where I murder occurred and offer to help LE, he happened to be the murderer on the trail that day that had to tell LE he was there because his wife knew he was there. IMO

 

[INfisherman]

Thanks for the update. It truly sounds like RA was very confused and detached from reality.

….potentially going all the way back to Feb. 13, 2017 & before one might believe.

JMO

 

[TristanP]

If he was as crazy as he claims why have the defense never tried to pled insanity?

The insanity plea is an admission of a crime, but the person is saying they did it because they were not in control due to mental illness.

RA had no desire to plead insanity, because he has maintained all along that he did not kill anyone.

It is possible his defense team could have had him evaluated to see if he was competent to stand trial and assist in his own defense, but even if they wanted that, RA couldn't be transferred to any other facility due to the "safekeeping" order. He should have been transferred, evaluated and treated at a different facility, but Judge Gull would not allow it.

If RA's psychosis had continued, the defense team would have been forced to do whatever it took to get him evaluated, but medications helped and he improved enough that he was able to assist in his own defense.

 

[MiniMoo]

I would agree though-if you did commit the murders it’s not a good idea to volunteer you were in the area wearing a blue jacket and jeans.

I think in the interviews he may have brought up a black coat and blue one and thought he may have worn tennis shoes - ones he had had for a number of years or even military boots.

He didn't really commit to anything specific and as for when he self reported maybe no clothes were mentioned at all.

JMO MOO JMT

Link: Trial: Richard Allen's Interviews

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Or it could be argued that he was permanently scarred from his maltreatment and has severe mental health issues now- I’m not saying that’s true but I could see that angle being played- moo

Possible defense...haldol is a pretty serious drug that he was administered for several months.

 

[justtrish]

Outside of his confessions which are a point of contention there's literally nothing to prove bridge guy was the killer, in fact, the one witness SC saw a muddy and bloody person wearing different clothes than bridge guy. This all rests on the confessions, my opinion only

So the idea is that the girls went with Bridge Guy willingly? A man closing in on the girls at the end of a old railroad bridge and we hear them talking about the path ending and then Abby says is he right here.. WHO else would she be asking Libby about? Then she's seen running and we hear a mans voice.. there is no other person there. If she's asking is he right there, that means she isn't looking back because if someone was in front of her she wouldn't need to ask that question.. she's running because she's scared and she even says don't leave me up here.. this is not what girls say if they know this person and are going to go with them down the hill.

 

[Arkay]

Hhhmm, I do presume he isn’t guilty and I must say I imagine when he volunteered to tell the police he was there that he felt he had nothing to hide

At the time, he did not yet know Libby had recorded the Bridge Guy. IMO he was trying to get ahead of the story since he knew he’d passed by other people on the bridge.

He did indeed, several years ago now, say he was there and dressed in the same or similar clothing as was eventually depicted in Libby’s video.

His claim was that he was on the bridge, gazing at the fish below and scrolling through the stock ticker on his phone. He described some of the people he’d seen there, but denied seeing Abby and Libby.

The source is thousands of posts here with links, going back endlessly.

 

[MiniMoo]

Him being out on the bridge and dressed as the killer would suggest otherwise.

Moo

Someone was on the bridge, but it has yet to be proven it was Richard Allen.

We are half way though the trial and soon will reach the end.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Mitch1]

I 100% would and I've said from the beginning if I was there or even my husband and we narrowly missed a killed, I would be haunted for the rest of days that I could have prevented this or warned the girls or somehow been able to do something or see something that could change the countcome. It would bother me and I would be offering to help the police any way I could. I would offer my phone so they could see exactly where I was and when. I would hope it could help them narrow down a timeline.

That is not what I think happened here. I went to police because his wife said to since she knew he was there that day. He did and he held his breath for years wondering if/when LE was going to come knocking.

Kathy said it all when she said "you told me you weren't on the bridge"

He didn't happen to be on the trail where I murder occurred and offer to help LE, he happened to be the murderer on the trail that day that had to tell LE he was there because his wife knew he was there. IMO

Why is it you would bc you are innocent and would feel awful but he wouldn’t for the same reason?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

If he was as crazy as he claims why have the defense never tried to pled insanity?

Why would he do that? He pled NG. MOO