Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Momofthreeboys]

Not one of the eyewitnesses gave a description that resembles RA and many of the IDs contradict each other wildly.

As far as prosecution strategy I am surprised that all was early out of the gate while the jurors were fresh and the trial new. I do not think the various descriptions none that used the word short and the explanation about the alterations to the image and video were not shining moments. It’s a strategy decision but I have to wonder.

 

[lonetraveler]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to [email protected]

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[Vaderman]

So far on the reporting, it seems like RA's search history is a bit of a dud:

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

"Months before an interview with police on Oct. 13, 2022 that led to Richard Allen's arrest later that month, Allen was searching online for disturbing movies to watch and frequently looked up the Delphi murders, according to a later analysis of his search history by the Indiana State Police.

On May 24, 2022, Allen did a Google search for "deeply disturbing and terrifying movies on Netflix." That same day, he searched "Texas elementary school shooting suspect." The next month, he searched for the "most f----- up thing to watch on Netflix right now.""

Edited to put in correct link

 

[Boxer]

So far on the reporting, it seems like RA's search history is a bit of a dud:

Thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208'

Feb 4, 2024

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S...

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"Months before an interview with police on Oct. 13, 2022 that led to Richard Allen's arrest later that month, Allen was searching online for disturbing movies to watch and frequently looked up the Delphi murders, according to a later analysis of his search history by the Indiana State Police.

On May 24, 2022, Allen did a Google search for "deeply disturbing and terrifying movies on Netflix." That same day, he searched "Texas elementary school shooting suspect." The next month, he searched for the "most f----- up thing to watch on Netflix right now.""

 

[MassGuy]

I can't make sense of not presenting the geofence data, which resulted in the FBI contacting witnesses in the months following the murders.

His phone not being on there is strong evidence that Allen was not on his phone as he claimed (checking stock quotes). It's just really strange not to delve into that.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

One thing I’ve wondered is how tall the witnesses are? If you’re 5 foot, a 5’4” man who is possibly wearing boots might not stand out to you as extremely short. But a 6’ man would likely notice the same person as a very short man.

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[photographer4]

Not if they are trying to present themselves as 'crazy'. That would be an ideal way to suggest it. Funny is the timing of all these mental breakdowns, psychotic episodes and confessions.

They only happened after Defendant Allen was served with the State's Discovery, which was dropped off by an assistant and not even given to him in person by his own Defense Team. What the what????

JMO

I can't imagine reading about what happened to these kids and realizing that anyone thought I might be the person responsible for it! I'd probably have mental health issues too knowing that, and living in the conditions that he was etc... I can see how happened. Mooo.

 

[technicallymissing]

So far on the reporting, it seems like RA's search history is a bit of a dud:

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

"Months before an interview with police on Oct. 13, 2022 that led to Richard Allen's arrest later that month, Allen was searching online for disturbing movies to watch and frequently looked up the Delphi murders, according to a later analysis of his search history by the Indiana State Police.

On May 24, 2022, Allen did a Google search for "deeply disturbing and terrifying movies on Netflix." That same day, he searched "Texas elementary school shooting suspect." The next month, he searched for the "most f----- up thing to watch on Netflix right now.""

Edited to put in correct link

These ones are a bit more interesting:

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

On Oct. 2, 2022, weeks before his arrest, Allen clicked a link for "65+ best kidnapping and hostages movies ever made," according to the ISP analysis conducted in December 2022. That same day, Allen also entered the following searches: "movie about a man being held against his will," "man held hostage by teen" and "Stalker 2012," an apparent reference to a film about a mentally unstable homeless man who tries to save his friends from drug dealers.

On Oct. 5, 2022, Allen searched "Delphi murders." He had searched "Delphi murders update" five times in the first week of August 2022.

 

[Jade]

He’s not alone being held pre-trial, but he is alone in being held in a prison pre-trial.

Richard Allen is a special case. Accused of a heinous kidnapping and double murder that destroyed a small town’s innocence a crime which news of was nation wide.

Richard Allen is notorious. There isn’t another case in Indiana I could say the name of the suspect from my far away location.


I invite Mr Allen to come on down to the Deep South and see how he likes the conditions. He’s in the Hilton with concierge compared to Mississippi.


All imo

 

[Vern]

Depends on the facility how incarcerated communications are handled- tablets are often standard issue vs kiosks and phones for communications- JPay tablets are very common

There are a few different main vendors and it can be very very expensive- in my experience-

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All inmates don't have tablets at the facility Allen was kept at. Approx 100 still waiting to get them.

Allen was issued his immediately upon arrival and when he broke his by tossing it against the wall, he was not required to pay the normal reimbursement cost ($250.00) for breaking the phone and was given another ... ahead of those on the waitlist. Because he was a "safekeeper".

Pg, 47 _Testimony of Warden John Galipeau Given at Hearing on Motion to Suppress Held July 31, 2024.pdf

Allen refused a TV for his cell.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Yes, but I wouldn’t expect them in “solitary confinement.”

I wouldn't expect an "alleged" perp to be placed in prison, (and even worse in solitary confinement) either. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

I can't make sense of not presenting the geofence data, which resulted in the FBI contacting witnesses in the months following the murders.

His phone not being on there is strong evidence that Allen was not on his phone as he claimed (checking stock quotes). It's just really strange not to delve into that.

It's Indiana, that's all I can say. I've kept my expectations a little moderate to low WRT the investigation and now the trial. I'm hoping for the best.

 

[Betty P]

All inmates don't have tablets at the facility Allen was kept at. Approx 100 still waiting to get them.

Allen was issued his immediately upon arrival and when he broke his by tossing it against the wall, he was not required to pay the normal reimbursement cost ($250.00) for breaking the phone and was given another ... ahead of those on the waitlist. Because he was a "safekeeper".

Pg, 47 _Testimony of Warden John Galipeau Given at Hearing on Motion to Suppress Held July 31, 2024.pdf

Allen refused a TV for his cell.

Why all the special treatment and privileges? I suspect they didn't want any complaints that could cause problems at trial.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

Well folks that’s it. It’s a bit of an odd feeling. I know I came into this on pins and needles excited to see what the P had up their sleeve. “Oh man all these years we get to see dna, prints, Allen’s slime all over the scene, witnesses” I thought.

We saw nothing we didn’t already know including Allen. Every day the only revelation was how shoddy and forced this case is. And we are here, defense up to bat.

The only question now is how hard is defense going to drill. They probably could just refine some points and rest but they will certainly use their full time allotment to secure appeals and cover bases.

The next couple weeks are going to be dreadful if you’re not objective.

Hang on tight!

 

[Melted]

I’m just catching up. Did the prosecution rest?

 

[MassGuy]

So far on the reporting, it seems like RA's search history is a bit of a dud:

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

"Months before an interview with police on Oct. 13, 2022 that led to Richard Allen's arrest later that month, Allen was searching online for disturbing movies to watch and frequently looked up the Delphi murders, according to a later analysis of his search history by the Indiana State Police.

On May 24, 2022, Allen did a Google search for "deeply disturbing and terrifying movies on Netflix." That same day, he searched "Texas elementary school shooting suspect." The next month, he searched for the "most f----- up thing to watch on Netflix right now.""

Edited to put in correct link

It does tell us a bit about him. Lots of people have an interest in movies like that, but I'd definitely expect that from a guy who would commit a crime like this.

Also: On Oct. 5, 2022, Allen searched "Delphi murders." He had searched "Delphi murders update" five times in the first week of August 2022.

Not surprised at all to see those searches about the case. I imagine he searched at a much higher frequency early on, but it tapered off until there were updates in the media (nothing like that going on during that time period).

 

[JAY CLUCK]

I’m just catching up. Did the prosecution rest?

Yes.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No. I’ve already answered this.

Sorry I must have missed that. I just got settled in at the ranch cabin and haven't had time to get caught up.

If these lawyers don't think the Odinist theory is possible how can they support it being presented to the jury. It seems like this theory is being presented by the defense to confuse the jury and not give them factual evidence. JMO.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

So far on the reporting, it seems like RA's search history is a bit of a dud:

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

"Months before an interview with police on Oct. 13, 2022 that led to Richard Allen's arrest later that month, Allen was searching online for disturbing movies to watch and frequently looked up the Delphi murders, according to a later analysis of his search history by the Indiana State Police.

On May 24, 2022, Allen did a Google search for "deeply disturbing and terrifying movies on Netflix." That same day, he searched "Texas elementary school shooting suspect." The next month, he searched for the "most f----- up thing to watch on Netflix right now.""

Edited to put in correct link

I'm a goner if they would ever look at my search history. I would venture to guess most on here might be if truth be told. All MOO

 

[Vaderman]

It does tell us a bit about him. Lots of people have an interest in movies like that, but I'd definitely expect that from a guy who would commit a crime like this.

Also: On Oct. 5, 2022, Allen searched "Delphi murders." He had searched "Delphi murders update" five times in the first week of August 2022.

Not surprised at all to see those searches about the case. I imagine he searched at a much higher frequency early on, but it tapered off until there were updates in the media (nothing like that going on during that time period).

August 2022 was when they were searching the Wabash River:

River searches continue near home of man tied to Delphi investigation

PERU, Ind. — A mysterious search in Miami County continued Tuesday with investigators from the Indiana State Police combing through a section of the Wabash River. As FOX59 previously re…

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Knowing that he was drinking that day and an alcoholic, I wonder how much of him had that "fog" hanging over him, constantly wondering everything he did that day. The important details would be remembered. But if I was in his spot, I'd be panicked about why they were checking the river and what I may have done, not 100% remembering everything. Pretty sure I didn't anything with the river...but why are they looking in it?

All my speculation based on my own experience trying to recall everything I'd done "the night before".