Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[MassGuy]

In call to his mother, Richard Allen seemed to plead for love despite his confessions to Delphi murders​

In another call to his mother, Janis Allen, on May 17, 2023, Allen seemed to be anxious that his family would no longer love him because he'd confessed to killing Abby and Libby. Here's what they said:

Richard Allen: I'm just worried you guys aren't gonna love me because of the fact that I said that I did it."

Janice Allen: "Just saying it doesn't mean you did it."

RA: "Well, it does when I did."

JA: "Rick, don't talk like this. I know they're just messing with you."

RA: "No, mom. They're not."

JA: "... You don't have it in you to do something like that."

RA: "Mom, I wouldn't say I did it if I didn't."

RA: "So if I did it, then you guys don't love me anymore?"

JA: "I will always love you no matter that. There's nothing that would ever make me stop loving you."

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

 

[Betty P]

Well folks that’s it. It’s a bit of an odd feeling. I know I came into this on pins and needles excited to see what the P had up their sleeve. “Oh man all these years we get to see dna, prints, Allen’s slime all over the scene, witnesses” I thought.

We saw nothing we didn’t already know including Allen. Every day the only revelation was how shoddy and forced this case is. And we are here, defense up to bat.

The only question now is how hard is defense going to drill. They probably could just refine some points and rest but they will certainly use their full time allotment to secure appeals and cover bases.

The next couple weeks are going to be dreadful if you’re not objective.

Hang on tight!

I predict more conspiracy theories and gaslighting. I think I'm going to be busy next week, but will check in now and then.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Why all the special treatment and privileges? I suspect they didn't want any complaints that could cause problems at trial.

Two words come to mind.... RHODEN MURDERS. There is a case/cases where they all needed to be in (or under) a prison! MOO

 

[Boxer]

I think the concern was more that others were a harm to him.

I’m glad they were able to keep him alive, but do think there was a better way to do that.

But I haven’t heard a suggestion that would have guaranteed that. I don’t know why he wasn’t in a mental facility, at least for a time.

Because his attorneys did not ask for a competency evaulation.

 

[KSwizzle]

I think being an alcoholic is very relevant but as also someone who has in the family multiple alcoholics, even for someone only 5’4”, a six pack of beer to a seasoned alcoholic is nothing, I think a lot of people would be shocked at how much a long term alcoholic can drink and be functional, my speculation would be he said he drank 6 beers but it was probably much more than that if he’s making a note of him drinking

 

[Betty P]

I'm a goner if they would ever look at my search history. I would venture to guess most on here might be if truth be told. All MOO

Especially back when I was trying to learn how to read autopsy reports. Nothing could look worse than those searches. "What is evisceration?"

 

[MassGuy]

I think being an alcoholic is very relevant but as also someone who has in the family multiple alcoholics, even for someone only 5’4”, a six pack of beer to a seasoned alcoholic is nothing, I think a lot of people would be shocked at how much a long term alcoholic can drink and be functional, my speculation would be he said he drank 6 beers but it was probably much more than that if he’s making a note of him drinking

That was my thinking as well. He mentioned drinking 3 at one point, but I haven’t been able to nail down if he mentioned the other 3.

I believe he had to have enough in him to be willing to take this insane risk, and even if it was the full six I’m skeptical.

I think the crime scene was chaotic in part because of that, but I think it’s also indicative of a chaotic person in general. A crime like this never goes to plan anyway, so that couldn’t have helped.

More than buzzed, less than a point where he’d lose coordination, but six seems low.

 

[Salah11]

In call to his mother, Richard Allen seemed to plead for love despite his confessions to Delphi murders​

In another call to his mother, Janis Allen, on May 17, 2023, Allen seemed to be anxious that his family would no longer love him because he'd confessed to killing Abby and Libby. Here's what they said:

Richard Allen: I'm just worried you guys aren't gonna love me because of the fact that I said that I did it."

Janice Allen: "Just saying it doesn't mean you did it."

RA: "Well, it does when I did."

JA: "Rick, don't talk like this. I know they're just messing with you."

RA: "No, mom. They're not."

JA: "... You don't have it in you to do something like that."

RA: "Mom, I wouldn't say I did it if I didn't."

RA: "So if I did it, then you guys don't love me anymore?"

JA: "I will always love you no matter that. There's nothing that would ever make me stop loving you."

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

I wonder if he was never listened to before the murders. It seems like they won’t listen to him and his cries for help.

It raises questions of how many Red Flags were missed by the <modsnip: No MSM or other approved source to support such characterization> people in his life.

IMO

 

[Kittybunny]

Why all the special treatment and privileges? I suspect they didn't want any complaints that could cause problems at trial.

Haha, well obviously that didn’t work. I suspect RA could have been given a Tempurpedic mattress and home-cooked meals and it still would not be enough for people! And as far as not having a cellie? Given the quality of people in prison, who would want one anyway?!?

I work from home 5 days a week and live alone. I can go a week without leaving my apartment and consider it bliss! As long as I have Websleuths of course!

Also, I didn’t need convincing, but I am in the RA is guilty camp and even more so now. I have no stomach for fantasy-filled Defense theatrics that will drag everyone through the mud and blood, so wake me up when there’s a verdict. I have faith in this jury that it will be Guilty.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I'm so disappointed in the admissions of guilt. I honestly was expecting more along the lines of a detailed confession. I at least hoped they had the blue coat. OR a signed CVS statement regarding the kind of box cutters they bought for employees.

Please don't tell me that I'm never, ever going to know what that white thing in his jacket was.

 

[Salah11]

Am I missing something here? Why would a search for your computer history mean you would be in trouble with the police?



I hardly find RA’s incarceration for murder the same as looking up a few things on the internet to do with murder.

 

[Dhighsmith]

Sorry I must have missed that. I just got settled in at the ranch cabin and haven't had time to get caught up.

If these lawyers don't think the Odinist theory is possible how can they support it being presented to the jury. It seems like this theory is being presented by the defense to confuse the jury and not give them factual evidence. JMO.

I’ve been away from site also, it’s taken me quite a bit of time to read through posts to kind of catch up on discussions, it’s such a vast amount in past week almost impossible.

My understanding of recent discussions on attorneys who have been so outspoken on alternative theories is that they don’t support the conspiracy theories themselves but support due process of law, RA rights to form a defense.

IMO, some online accounts have become too involved and outspoken on conspiracy theories instead of the initial focus on a defendant’s rights. For some, their online legal opinions have become clouded and somewhat consumed by conspiracy.

 

[oviedo]

In call to his mother, Richard Allen seemed to plead for love despite his confessions to Delphi murders​

In another call to his mother, Janis Allen, on May 17, 2023, Allen seemed to be anxious that his family would no longer love him because he'd confessed to killing Abby and Libby. Here's what they said:

Richard Allen: I'm just worried you guys aren't gonna love me because of the fact that I said that I did it."

Janice Allen: "Just saying it doesn't mean you did it."

RA: "Well, it does when I did."

JA: "Rick, don't talk like this. I know they're just messing with you."

RA: "No, mom. They're not."

JA: "... You don't have it in you to do something like that."

RA: "Mom, I wouldn't say I did it if I didn't."

RA: "So if I did it, then you guys don't love me anymore?"

JA: "I will always love you no matter that. There's nothing that would ever make me stop loving you."

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

www.indystar.com

I wonder if they can play this during closing arguments?
He sounds completely lucid and in control
Imo

 

[INfisherman]

Just asking for clarity, was there testimony given that RA either was an alcoholic or had tendencies of being one?

I’m likely mistaken but isn’t he the only one alluding to that? I’d think Wala wouldn’t have had the opportunity to observe such behavior given his situation at the time, unless he was also provided his own bartender.

JMO

ETA in no way is the above intended to be offensive towards anyone in recovery or battling their own demons, just this particular individual RA.

 

[Betty P]

Haha, well obviously that didn’t work. I suspect RA could have been given a Tempurpedic mattress and home-cooked meals and it still would not be enough for people! And as far as not having a cellie? Given the quality of people in prison, who would want one anyway?!?

I work from home 5 days a week and live alone. I can go a week without leaving my apartment and consider it bliss! As long as I have Websleuths of course!

Also, I didn’t need convincing, but I am in the RA is guilty camp and even more so now. I have no stomach for fantasy-filled Defense theatrics that will drag everyone through the mud and blood, so wake me up when there’s a verdict. I have faith in this jury that it will be Guilty.

I hope they find him guilty. Innocent children deserve to be protected from monsters like him.

There was an earlier post about a juror asking questions about "human chimera" and DNA or somesuch. It gave me the dreaded feeling that there's a juror who's into conspiracy theories. I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic, but sometimes you have to accept that people and communities get the government and criminal justice system they want and choose.

 

[Inthedetails]

Just asking for clarity, was there testimony given that RA either was an alcoholic or had tendencies of being one?

I’m likely mistaken but isn’t he the only one alluding to that? I’d think Wala wouldn’t have had the opportunity to observe such behavior given his situation at the time, unless he was also provided his own bartender.

JMO

ETA in no way is the above intended to be offensive towards anyone in recovery or battling their own demons, just this particular individual RA.

Yes, RA talked about it during an interrogation, IIRC. He said he was an alcoholic.

It was discussed here on the thread.

jmo
Edited to add: The interrogation was played in court.

 

[MassGuy]

I'm so disappointed in the admissions of guilt. I honestly was expecting more along the lines of a detailed confession. I at least hoped they had the blue coat. OR a signed CVS statement regarding the kind of box cutters they bought for employees.

Please don't tell me that I'm never, ever going to know what that white thing in his jacket was.

I think that blue coat is long gone, thrown away the same time as the box cutter (confession). We know that CVS issued them, and they seized some from Allen.

I did hope for more detailed confessions, but I’ll take that one to his mom that seemed to be given in a lucid mental state (as opposed to the rest of them).

The account he provided about his day was also important to me, as it added color to the events and couldn’t be found in discovery.
Him saying he did it over and over didn’t do it for me. I needed details outside of that.

The van is important, as even if the defense casts doubt on if it was BW’s or not, it was a realistic detail about a distraction. I do think it was probably his van though.

My biggest unanswered question is why Abby was wearing Libby’s clothes, and how the crime scene came to be. Allen is the only person who could answer that question, and it’s apparent he never has.

If he is found guilty I think he may ultimately provide these answers at some point. If he lives that long (I don’t think he’s long for this earth).

 

[INfisherman]

I'm so disappointed in the admissions of guilt. I honestly was expecting more along the lines of a detailed confession. I at least hoped they had the blue coat. OR a signed CVS statement regarding the kind of box cutters they bought for employees.

Please don't tell me that I'm never, ever going to know what that white thing in his jacket was.

NM did state in his opening the jury needed to consider feelings towards circumstantial evidence.

I know your passion & understand from where you’re coming - we’ve discussed it a few times. It’s compelling either way. It’s easy for many to come to a conclusion of innocence or guilt after years of analyzing the details via a forum setting & discussing it with hundreds of others, taking in their considerations. Probably much more difficult if it’s in reality (truly resting on one’s shoulders) that the decision is actually going to affect someone for the rest of their natural lives. For me only, it’s difficult to see everything as coincidental. That’s just me & not trying to sway you at all.

I can say IN needs to have a better solution for holding someone for per-trial purposes. I cannot say from where or if there is money available to address that subject. Definitely not a perfect scenario.

Gotta run for a bit - grandson is here.

 

[loreet]

Just because it is Halloween … I wonder if the girls would have been dressing up in costumes and handing out candy at their college houses or dorms? Or going to a costume party?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I’ve been away from site also, it’s taken me quite a bit of time to read through posts to kind of catch up on discussions, it’s such a vast amount in past week almost impossible.

My understanding of recent discussions on attorneys who have been so outspoken on alternative theories is that they don’t support the conspiracy theories themselves but support due process of law, RA rights to form a defense.

IMO, some online accounts have become too involved and outspoken on conspiracy theories instead of the initial focus on a defendant’s rights. For some, their online legal opinions have become clouded and somewhat consumed by conspiracy.

Thanks. So due process to form a defense can override the truth and justice? I guess that's legal but I sure don't care for it. JMO.