Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[shonyakay]

Gootee says he spoke to Weber on Feb. 19, 2017. He tells the jury that he doesn’t know what Weber said, despite looking at his own report. Auger finishes her questions, the state does not cross-examine.

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Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

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What does he mean he doesn't know what Weber said. Could he not read his handwriting? Just trying to understand.​

Edit: I don't know why my text is so big. Lol.

 

[photographer4]

No pictures or video that can be dated to that time, when his wife and daughter were active on social media? I find that extremely hard to believe.

What about vacation pictures/videos, they must know exactly at their work places when they took vacation days in 2017?

2016 Christmas pics? 2017 Birthday pics? 2017 engagement photos with his daughter and fiance? Nothing huh? That's very odd. JMO

Given how lousy the BG photo is, and how the things that should be identifying features such as eye shape and colour, face shape, nose shape etc are non existent in the photo / video from Lg’s phone, I am not surprised they won’t allow the jury’s perception to be prejudiced to RA by presenting photos of him from the time of the crime. Moooo.

 

[photographer4]

Agreed, there are ways to find the data of when a photo was taken. I mean we are talking about LE and the FBI, supposedly NASA was involved at one point. Finding the Metadata wouldn't be hard with their resources.

IMO

Meta data can show you a date a photo of RA was taken. It cannot prove that RA is the man from LG’s phone bc unfortunately, the image she captured lacks any actual identifying information. People have thought that photo was all sorts of different men. None were named as RA until after he was arrested imo or surely the state would have been able to present evidence to this effect before they rested their case imo. I’m afraid LG’s video though helpful in some ways, does not definitively id RA. Mooo.

 

[girlhasnoname]

link to the searches
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/what-google-searches-from-richard-allen-reveal/

Thanks @tlcya. I do find this one a bit off, maybe he was comparing notes:

<snipped & BBM>

It appeared Allen had an interest in disturbing movies. On April 27, 2022, he searched for “insidious” and “horrifying” things to watch. In another search from June 2023, he looked for the “most *** up thing to watch on Netflix,” according to the analysis.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

News from one of the defense witnesses yesterday was a bit sparse but we do have this:
[snips]
The day's last witness, Teresa Liebert, lived near a gate on the southern end of a private drive leading to Brad Weber's property. The drive passes beneath the Monon High Bridge east of Deer Creek and ends near Weber's property, just across the water from where the girls' bodies were found.

Living off a secluded country road with only a few neighbors, Liebert said she noticed a man she'd never seen before standing near a mailbox on the morning of Feb. 13, 2017. She never got a good look at him because he soon vanished, she said. Liebert told police about the sighting.

"It just seemed strange," Liebert said. "I pulled into the drive and got out of the car and he was gone."

Defense calls first 2 witnesses after state rests its case in Delphi murders trial

It's been two years since multiple law enforcement agencies announced Richard Allen's arrest in the Delphi killings. His trial continues Thursday.

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[arielilane]

According to the State's 40th witness, Master Trooper Brian Harshman/ISP, the only detail contained in any of Allen's confessions that "only the killer would know" is the one time he mentioned to prison psychologist Dr. Monica Wala that a van spooked him into stopping his plan...

to SA Abby and Libby, and that's when they crossed the creek and he killed them. The witness says the van belongs to Brad Weber who lives at South end of the bridge, and he arrived home between 2:27-2:30 on 2/13/17. That's based off Weber clocking out of work @ Subaru plant...

in Lafayette at 2:02 pm, and needing 20-25 minutes to return home. Harshman testified his time estimate for the drive comes from multiple Waze searches. On Cross, Rozzi asked if Harshman was aware that Weber was a suspect at one point, the State objected and he did not answer.

Rozzi also asked "did you ever consider BW could be involved if you can place his van there at that time?" Harshman: "No." Per earlier testimony, Weber had a .40 cal gun in his car during that trip, and it was tested to compare to the cartridge found at the crime scene.

The testing in 2017 could not exclude Weber's gun. The Firearms Examiner testified for the state that if she were to do her analysis again - after discovering Allen's gun is a match - she could exclude it now. The defense has subpoenaed Weber, so we will be hearing more about him

The Defense also indicated in their cross of Weber yesterday that perhaps there's evidence or a statement from him saying he didn't go straight home. Libby's phone stopped moving at 2:32pm so for State timeline to work, Weber needs to have gone straight home, quickly.

Harshman also testified that after listening to 700 recorded prison calls with Allen, and then viewing Libby's video of BG, he was able to determine BG video is "the voice of Richard Allen." Direct testimony ended there.

Barbara MacDonald​

@NewsyBarbara

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852100449215697286

 

[m00c0w]

What the heck. He "doesn't" remember despite looking at his report. What is going on here. Again the snippets make me crazy.

I think it’s likely that he doesn’t know specifically what BW said because the 302 is almost guaranteed to be a summary of the interview and not a verbatim transcript. I will withhold judgment on whether it was a question he could not answer by design or whether he did a really bad job with the interview until we hear more details about what exactly was asked.

FBI's Interview Report Form FD-302 | Practical Law

FBI's Interview Report Form FD-302

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[Kudzuu]

Meta data can show you a date a photo of RA was taken. It cannot prove that RA is the man from LG’s phone bc unfortunately, the image she captured lacks any actual identifying information. People have thought that photo was all sorts of different men. None were named as RA until after he was arrested imo or surely the state would have been able to present evidence to this effect before they rested their case imo. I’m afraid LG’s video though helpful in some ways, does not definitively id RA. Mooo.

No but he admits to being dressed in the same outfit.

Here's another thing. The first sketch some think resemble RA and some don't. I took drawing lessons and my teacher said if you get the eyes right the face as a whole will be more accurate. So envision the sketch with the eyes closer together and it really does resemble RA. In the sketch the eyes are too far apart making the shape of his head too large.

Does anyone have the sketch handy?
MOO

 

[tlcya]

MOO, defense witness Liebert saw a man on a private drive not far from the crime scene in the morning on February 13th. I have no reason to doubt her testimony. I also think it means exactly nothing since the crime occurred hours later. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

#NEW: We’re on a quick break in the Delphi Murders Trial. The defense team is trying to play videos of Richard Allen during his time at Westville correctional facility to show his mental deterioration. Part of those videos have audio on them.

The prosecution objected to the videos initially on relevance which Judge Gull overruled. They then objected on the basis of hearsay, and she sustained that objection and said the audio from the video cannot be played. They’re now taking a break to figure things out

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852370483053809913

 

[arielilane]

@MaxLewisTV

The prosecution objected to the videos initially on relevance which Judge Gull overruled. They then objected on the basis of hearsay, and she sustained that objection and said the audio from the video cannot be played. They’re now taking a break to figure things out


11:21 AM · Nov 1, 2024

 

[Squirrel85]

Meta data can show you a date a photo of RA was taken. It cannot prove that RA is the man from LG’s phone bc unfortunately, the image she captured lacks any actual identifying information. People have thought that photo was all sorts of different men. None were named as RA until after he was arrested imo or surely the state would have been able to present evidence to this effect before they rested their case imo. I’m afraid LG’s video though helpful in some ways, does not definitively id RA. Mooo.

IMO, one way to identify if RA is BG is to have him walk across the bridge and record him while he is doing it. Everyone's walk is unique...

 

[BUF]

Interesting jury questions after this last witness…Dr. Deanna Dwenger. Dwenger, she oversees the Department of Behavioral Health at the Indiana Department of Corrections.


Question 1: Does the DOC every place safekeepers in general population? Dwenger says yes.

Question 2: Could it be possible Allen was faking so he would not be moved to general population? Dwenger says it was possible but don’t know for Allen.

Question 3: Did you hear threats to Allen from other inmates yourself? Dwenger says no.

Question 4: Could a person slip in truth of a confession, even when faking it? Dwenger says it is hard to tell but yes. She says you can tell if people are faking it based on the organization of thoughts if the conversation is goal-oriented and chronological. She says Allen was not having delirium.

Question 5: What is the typical process for safekeepers with severe mental illness? Dwenger says the same as general.

Question 6: What is the primary obligation to a safekeeper working with an inmate with severe mental illness? Dwenger says same as general.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 13 live blog

Delphi Murders trial of Richard Allen continues with testimony from witnesses. Allen is charged with murder of two girls in 2017. Follow for updates.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Boxer]

hang on kids, the defense is going to put on quite the show today. what's that show is going to be? I don't know..but it's sure to be amusing. Obviously I think he's guilty. mOO

Tales of no evidence soddi.

 

[Jade]

link to the searches
https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/what-google-searches-from-richard-allen-reveal/

That is a disgusting glimpse into RA’s fantasy life.

Guess know now what kind of thing RA was busy viewing on his phone when he ditched KA to go sit in the car and scroll while they were on their special outing.


[...]
The searches are from Allen’s Gmail account and were done on one of his devices.

[...]
On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

[...]
It appeared Allen had an interest in disturbing movies. On April 27, 2022, he searched for “insidious” and “horrifying” things to watch. In another search from June 2023, he looked for the “most *** up thing to watch on Netflix,” according to the analysis.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/what-google-searches-from-richard-allen-reveal/


Richard Allen’s Internet search history matches an aspect of the crime he is accused of -kidnapping.

Internet search history can be used against a person when they are a suspect in criminal activity.

By using the internet you’ve voluntarily provided information about yourself to a third party once you’ve done this you’ve destroyed the presumption that this information will be kept private.

So LE can search and obtain this information as evidence that you’ve committed a crime without implicating your Fourth Amendment Rights.



All imo

 

[fred&edna]

#NEW: We’re on a quick break in the Delphi Murders Trial. The defense team is trying to play videos of Richard Allen during his time at Westville correctional facility to show his mental deterioration. Part of those videos have audio on them.

The prosecution objected to the videos initially on relevance which Judge Gull overruled. They then objected on the basis of hearsay, and she sustained that objection and said the audio from the video cannot be played. They’re now taking a break to figure things out

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852370483053809913

So... what's said by RA in these videos is ruled to be hearsay?

 

[MassGuy]

So... what's said by RA in these videos is ruled to be hearsay?

@minor4th @AugustWest @PrairieWind

 

[fred&edna]

Maybe this applies?

Hearsay: If there is no witness present who can be cross-examined, an attorney can argue that the substance of the photo or video evidence is hearsay.

 

[photographer4]

No but he admits to being dressed in the same outfit.

Here's another thing. The first sketch some think resemble RA and some don't. I took drawing lessons and my teacher said if you get the eyes right the face as a whole will be more accurate. So envision the sketch with the eyes closer together and it really does resemble RA. In the sketch the eyes are too far apart making the shape of his head too large.

Does anyone have the sketch handy?
MOO

The sketches are irrelevant at the moment bc the judge won’t allow them into the trial. Moo. Judge rules Delphi composite sketches aren’t admissible

 

[Vern]

So... what's said by RA in these videos is ruled to be hearsay?

Do they actually have a witness on the stand to say that it's RA or do they just want to play them? Weird.

We need legal advice @AugustWest !!