Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[girlhasnoname]

Just to clear up a rumor that was swirling online by the cranks...A juror did NOT stand up and yell out "Let him finish the question". It was actually when the Defense had a witness on the stand and the State (Luttrell) kept objecting and Rozzi is the one to yell that out.

No juror did it as Judge Gull would have definitely had to make a huge ruling or replace the juror which we know didn't happen.

It starts at approx the 10 minute mark on TMS below:

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Sixteen: The Bullet

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Just to clear up a rumor that was swirling online by the cranks...A juror did NOT stand up and yell out "Let him finish the question". It was actually when the Defense had a witness on the stand and the State (Luttrell) kept objecting and Rozzi is the one to yell that out.

No juror did it as Judge Gull would have definitely had to make a huge ruling or replace the juror which we know didn't happen.

It starts at approx the 10 minute mark on TMS below:

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Sixteen: The Bullet

I'm definitely not a lawyer, but isn't that highly unprofessional?

 

[shonyakay]

Just to clear up a rumor that was swirling online by the cranks...A juror did NOT stand up and yell out "Let him finish the question". It was actually when the Defense had a witness on the stand and the State (Luttrell) kept objecting and Rozzi is the one to yell that out.

No juror did it as Judge Gull would have definitely had to make a huge ruling or replace the juror which we know didn't happen.

It starts at approx the 10 minute mark on TMS below:

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Sixteen: The Bullet

Yep. And did you hear what they said about how others may be trying to keep non defense supporters out of the trial? Douche move if true.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm definitely not a lawyer, but isn't that highly unprofessional?

Unprofessional has been the name of the fame for this Defense Team all along. IMO

 

[Davemac1]

I have to say, I think allowing the jury to ask admissible questions during the trial is really good.
Not sure it's allowed here in the UK but it really should be.

 

[sunshineray]

Wow, it seems pro-defense people have organized at the courthouse to shut out people who really want to see the trial. Numerous people have taken to standing in line to eventually get in, they sit down for a half an hour and then leave. So those seats, a good amount of the only 30 available for the public are then left empty. How subversive and childish behavior is that!? MO

I wonder if it has anything to do with the defense taking a bit of a beating with the case they're presenting? MO

Yesterday the defense's ballistics firearms expert, Warren, seems to have taken a beating on cross. His lab isn't even accredited. He apparently didn't examine the bullet or the gun physically himself.

All this came out after he even testified that the cameras on the microscopes used in ballistics, because of some issue with field of range photographic conditions, don't take an extremely accurate image, yet that's all he used. It's the examiner's eye and experience looking through the microscope that is key. He even touted himself ("I am") as the answer to the question, what's a ballistics examiner's best tool?

He also made no report. So what did this expert, of only six years, do? He looked at the pictures given to him by the defense, that's it. We don't even know how many that was?

The expert did not make a request, to the ISP, to send him the bullet or gun to look at the evidence himself.

He even answered a juror's question with a (paraphrasing) well if I had examined the bullet and gun myself maybe I'd have agreed with the State's examiner, who knows...

All in all, I think this expert was a bust for the defense. MO

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[sunshineray]

She answered No to the water question.

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Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

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At 3:35 McLeland starts cross-examination again. Eldridge says that it takes “a little bit of movement” for a phone to start logging movements.

The jury asked the following questions:

1. Did you ever write your own timeline? Eldridge said “no, not enough time.”
2. Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad? Eldridge says they were not synced.
3. Would water impact movement? Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
4. Can you tell if the phone was on silent or vibrate? Eldridge says no.
5. Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone? She says she could if it was available.
6. Are there other apps that measure movement? She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.

Court is in recess at 3:45 p.m.

That certainly not what a lot of iPhone and iPod users say. It's just a google away information. I winder if the Apple customer service has a thread about water effects on the port sensors? MO

 

[katydid23]

I have to say, I think allowing the jury to ask admissible questions during the trial is really good.
Not sure it's allowed here in the UK but it really should be.

So far, the jurors questions have been incredibly insightful and specific. It is encouraging.

 

[dalsglen]

Did we ever find out why Libby had to factory reset her phone the previous week? Was it already glitching before Feb 13th? Wonder what the data would tell you about that...

 

[FromGermany1]

My guess is they're going to try to imply that the photos and the video of RA/BG from that day were somehow manipulated and placed on the Libby's phone.

Which, yeah, no.

MOO

It would have a sense, one should think, when RA said "If the photo is from the girls' phone, it isn't me!"
Can't not thinking of it ....

 

[mrjitty]

A report was never written.

So no depo or report?

 

[Gigiky]

I had the same phone as Libby. It was junk!

 

[steeltowngirl]

I recall that RA said in one of his police interviews that KA asked him to report being at the trails.

Do we know when he called in, and why?

Did KA first see the BG pic and say ‘that looks like you, Rick’?
- Or -
Had he already told her he’d been at the trail prior to the release of the BG photo, when the girls were still missing on 2/13, or when the bodies were first found on 2/14?

When did he tell KA he’d been at the trail?

 

[shonyakay]

Did we ever find out why Libby had to factory reset her phone the previous week? Was it already glitching before Feb 13th? Wonder what the data would tell you about that...

It has been said that her Grandma Becky said it kept "freezing" up on her.

 

[steeltowngirl]

That certainly not what a lot of iPhone and iPod users say. It's just a google away information. I winder if the Apple customer service has a thread about water effects on the port sensors? MO

Found some similar discussion on Apple.com

Headphone mode stuck after water got in p… - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

 

[shonyakay]

I recall that RA said in one of his police interviews that KA asked him to report being at the trails.

Do we know when he called in, and why?

Did KA first see the BG pic and say ‘that looks like you, Rick’?
- Or -
Had he already told her he’d been at the trail prior to the release of the BG photo, when the girls were still missing on 2/13, or when the bodies were first found on 2/14?

When did he tell KA he’d been at the trail?

The still frame picture of BG was first released on February 15, 2017. RA called to give a tip the next day on February 16. However he didn't actually talk to DD until February 18.

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

Wow, it seems pro-defense people have organized at the courthouse to shut out people who really want to see the trial. Numerous people have taken to standing in line to eventually get in, they sit down for a half an hour and then leave. So those seats, a good amount of the only 30 available for the public are then left empty. How subversive and childish behavior is that!? MO
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If true, this is SO disheartening, especially because these are PUBLIC seats for access. Any blockading should be denounced regardless of what “side” one supports. I think all of us here believe we’re ultimately on the side of justice even if we disagree on what that looks like.

I have been disappointed in how Judge Gull has handled access and streaming for this trial. Although I can understand how she arrived at these decisions, I don’t think she thoroughly understands the new media landscape. That’s separate from her handling of the case.

I would vastly prefer this trial be streamed with protection of sensitive exhibits. I would settle for a separate media room with streaming available to allow for coverage. The current system is intentionally chaotic and unjust.

And as much as I disdain how some specific individuals have covered the trial, absent any criminal or disruptive actions,* I do not want them blocked from access.

Finally: this is hypothetical and I haven’t heard of this affecting someone (but then, how would I?): it galls me that any local residents who are in poor health, have disabilities, have family care obligations and/or employment, are also effectively blocked from access unless they can hire a linesitter (and even then, they may well lose their seat if they need a bathroom break).

There are far better systems and more fair systems.

*I support the banning of persons who have previously caused issues. This isn’t Little League; one strike and you’re out.

 

[Davemac1]

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If true, this is SO disheartening, especially because these are PUBLIC seats for access. Any blockading should be denounced regardless of what “side” one supports. I think all of us here believe we’re ultimately on the side of justice even if we disagree on what that looks like.

I have been disappointed in how Judge Gull has handled access and streaming for this trial. Although I can understand how she arrived at these decisions, I don’t think she thoroughly understands the new media landscape. That’s separate from her handling of the case.

I would vastly prefer this trial be streamed with protection of sensitive exhibits. I would settle for a separate media room with streaming available to allow for coverage. The current system is intentionally chaotic and unjust.

And as much as I disdain how some specific individuals have covered the trial, absent any criminal or disruptive actions,* I do not want them blocked from access.

Finally: this is hypothetical and I haven’t heard of this affecting someone (but then, how would I?): it galls me that any local residents who are in poor health, have disabilities, have family care obligations and/or employment, are also effectively blocked from access unless they can hire a linesitter (and even then, they may well lose their seat if they need a bathroom break).

There are far better systems and more fair systems.

*I support the banning of persons who have previously caused issues. This isn’t Little League; one strike and you’re out.

Why so?
Ultimately these are just members of the public. They make podcasts and YouTube videos but none of them are affiliated as far as I'm aware?
Independent press should be the first port of call should you want to get a non-objective and accurate report of what is going on in the court house.

 

[sunshineray]

Found some similar discussion on Apple.com

Headphone mode stuck after water got in p… - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

There you go. That's what I've been seeing elsewhere. I'm not an iPhone/iPad person. My son had a Mac once that broke down prematurely, that's all I know about Apple products.

 

[INfisherman]

So no depo or report?

He was too busy on vacation in Morocco.