VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[Tortoise]

I'm embarrassed for them.

 

[photographer4]

The big problem for trial is the prosecution didn’t provide an explanation outside google search results.

To me the bigger problem is either the state's "expert" is that incompetent and did not bother to check the device for water or dirt, OR he did look for and knew there was no water or dirt in the port, but NM didn't ask about it because he didn't want the jury to know there was no such damage because lack of such damage screws up his timeline, and excludes RA based on the State's timeline.

"Cecil was asked if he examined Libby’s phone for water damage. He said it did not. He was asked if dirt was on the phone when it was found. He said he did not know." (bold and italics added by me). - https://fox59.com/news/delphi-murde...d-into-libbys-phone-removed-in-dead-of-night/

So yeah no, not buying that water triggered the headphone connection alert on the software. This is a critical failure on part of the State imo. They had the evidence to know that their timeline was incorrect and imo tried to hide it from the jury.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think it would be unusual to find a young teen out by herself on the bridge.

Great point. Another question I’ve asked myself many times is why risk 2? As you say, not likely to a find a solo young teen on the trail, and he likely had been fantasizing about younger and more vulnerable victims.

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

It is horrible to imagine but that is a plausible theory that he did slash Libby first. Hence the blood found on Abby's shoe. RA slashed Libby once or twice. He then went to Abby, straddled her by pinning her arms to her chest in a boxing position, which is why she didn't have blood on her hands or sleeves. Libby in the mean time has made it to the tree. RA gets off of Abby and comes after Libby slashing her again.

I think it all happened very quickly.

Didn't Libby have one slash on the back of her neck? I've always thought she ran and he swift move slashed the first one from behind.

 

[Tortoise]

Rozzi tells the jury that they should consider that Carbaugh didn’t see anything.

He says the state has only a few key moments in their timeline:

1. Feb 13. at 2:13 p.m., the Bridge Guy video.
2. Feb 13 at 3:56 p.m., Carbaugh sees man walking on 300N.

Rozzi calls Carbaugh’s testimony “worthless.”

He says Abby would have lived for 5-10 minute and could have screamed, but nobody heard any screaming.

Rozzi says the state ignored that there could have been more than one killer. He says he also ignored that someone could have accessed the bridge from the south side.

He says the state suggests the crime was ‘labor intensive’ and committed by a 5’5″ man, without a trace, in a short period of time.

Rozzi says “it is just implausible.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

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[jepop]

I, along with a lot of other people, wish that the prosecution had brought in another phone expert for rebuttal to give more evidence to the moisture/dirt causing the headphone jack to register falsely.

I think there's a simple reason why they didn't--the defense settled yesterday morning with no warning. Even Judge Gull was surprised. The court had to take a several hour recess while the prosecution tried to get their rebuttal witnesses to court that they could with short order.

Given that the defense's phone expert was Tuesday afternoon, that doesn't give the prosecution much time to get back to their offices after court and start trying to find one. If they did find one, I would suspect they were anticipating that they wouldn't need them for rebuttal until today or tomorrow. After all, the defense had hinted KA would be taking the stand, along with some other experts. I think they thought the defense would be resting at the end of yesterday or mid day today.

I think the state either couldn't find someone who could testify with such short notice, or decided not to ask the judge to wait until today for them to have an expert come in if one was available--maybe they knew she would say no or they suspected having one come in separated by an extra day from the defense's testimony would be weak. Not to mention, you can't just wave a hand and bring in an expert without procedure--the judge and defense have to examine their credentials and accept them first. I'm pretty sure that holds even for rebuttal witnesses.

Seems very plausible. I was musing back a ways on the defense's unexpected early resting being strategic. Not long term strategic necessarily, but rather a decision they took after Eldridge had testified, perhaps based on their perceptions of how the jury took it. Maybe that's why I was worried. OTOH, ultimately I believe the jury will dismiss her conclusions as they make no sense when weighed against all the other crime scene evidence and totality of circumstances that point to RA being the killer and the girls dying right where they were found. No-one was plugging in and removing headphones from Libby's phone on the evening of Feb 13th, that is an extremely unreasonable notion for the jury to find credible. Moo

 

[Tortoise]

He says Abby would have lived for 5-10 minute and could have screamed, but nobody heard any screaming.

That assumes that there was someone there at that moment to hear it.

 

[arielilane]

@149Zone7

I don’t know everything the prosecutor is going to say today in their closing but I know the last thing I would say to the jury. Libby gave us the killer on video. She gave us his voice. She gave us the date, location & time. Libby did her part now it’s time for you to do yours.





@SusanHendricks

Got the chills reading this!


12:50 PM · Nov 7, 2024

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854582116920475716

 

[otto]

Yup!

I've read so many comments in here regarding the psychosis aspect and assuming that it was a direct and primary result of the "solitary confinement"/one man cell and the allegations of prisoner neglect when in factual reality psychotic episodes as a whole can be brought about by a multitude of triggers. Taking away the mental illnesses that we all know include psychosis (as RA was diagnosed with none of them before during or after) you also have alcohol withdrawal, that can cause a psychotic episode and we know by RA's own word and history that he loved a bev. You also have stress, when your brain becomes overloaded with stress or anxiety it can cause a level of psychosis... I don't think the level of stress in RA's situation needs to be explained. Then we have depression. RA is noted to have had struggles with depression "most of his life" and severe depression can cause a psychotic episode. There's many other triggers too.
So to buy into the defenses claim that him being kept in a cell on his own for his own safety is the direct cause of psychosis is absurd.
Whilst guilt as a singular isn't known to cause psychosis, extreme guilt can and does cause anxiety, stress and depression which can result in a psychotic episode. Brief reactive psychosis is commonly triggered by a stressful and disturbing event and is very reactive to medication as seen with RA.

Anyways I'm babbling, but yah you get the picture. IMO the brief psychotic episodes mentioned in trial are NOT the result of a man kept in a one man cell for a year for his own safety, but they're a result of a guilty man who's consequences to his actions have caused a whirlwind of triggers in his brain - stress, anxiety, depression. The confessions happened and even IF they were given whilst an episode of psychosis was present, though it's been testified to that some confessions occured episode free, even IF they were it doesn't mean they are not true and IMO they explain why the psychosis occured in the first place... He killed those little girls, he got caught, locked up and was exposed to the two most important people to him (wife and mother) and his head couldn't handle it all which resulted in a brief psychotic episode. His actions that he repeatedly confessed to caused it, not the DOC.

IMO

Yes! Richard Allen gave a stellar performance of psychosis, which I believe was specifically intended to convince his wife and mother that: if he is guilty, it was due to a psychotic break. That is, they should love him as a convicted murderer because he was not in his right mind during the premeditated murders.

His biggest fear, after learning about the evidence against him, was that his wife and mother would abandon him. Without them, he'll spend the rest of his life alone, surrounded by criminals who view him as a 'baby killer', pedophile, murderer. He never expected to get caught, so the arrest 5 years later left him without a compass. He resorted to what he knows best: emotional manipulation.

 

[Warwick7]

It is horrible to imagine but that is a plausible theory that he did slash Libby first. Hence the blood found on Abby's shoe. RA slashed Libby once or twice. He then went to Abby, straddled her by pinning her arms to her chest in a boxing position, which is why she didn't have blood on her hands or sleeves. Libby in the mean time has made it to the tree. RA gets off of Abby and comes after Libby slashing her again.

I think it all happened very quickly.

This could also explain the mark on her face.

 

[flashy09]

Sticks in BW garage? What is that supposed to imply? That he went back and forth to the crime scene so he could use his personal supply of garage sticks? That he took some stick trophies and threw them on his garage floor?

 

[steeltowngirl]

Rozzi says Weber had sticks in his garage and the state did not mention that. He brings up Weber’s account changed from Feb. 13.

Hilarious. What does it even signify? So BW would need to keep sticks in his garage to carry to a crime in the woods?

 

[arielilane]

@KaitlynReports

The prosecution has concluded their closing arguments.

They are asking the jury to find Richard Allen guilty on all four counts.
Details on what was included in the closing arguments as soon as I am able.


The defense has concluded their closing arguments.

They are asking the jury to find Richard Allen not guilty.

Updates will come as soon as I am able .


12:56 PM · Nov 7, 2024

 

[Vern]

Yes, fishy.

I agree; a delicious red herring sauce.

 

[getthefax]

I didn't realize that. I gave up on youtubers.

Thanks for the info.

jmo

Totally understandable! That whole ecosystem is a weird place to be.

 

[Tortoise]

Rozzi tells the jury Allen went to law enforcement after the murders in 2017 and was also cooperative in 2022.

He says Allen still cooperated after he knew he was a suspect.

Rozzi says “even through the face of lies, Allen stood strong.” He says Allen lived in the community and didn’t have a reason to leave because he didn’t do it.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

 

[justtrish]

Great point. Another question I’ve asked myself many times is why risk 2? As you say, not likely to a find a solo young teen on the trail, and he likely had been fantasizing about younger and more vulnerable victims.

jmo

The fact he described the other group of girls even though he was head down and not seeming to want to be noticed.. he said they looked like or something like this... one appeared to be babysitting. It's disturbing now to know he was out looking for victims so did he conclude there were too many of them... too young since one seemed to be babysitting? Too risky due to the location? IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I believe it was Lauren at HTC who described the sticks as like twigs that had blown onto his garage floor with the weather.

Scattered by the wind.....or arranged in runes!?!?

(joking)

jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

Rozzi begins to describe witness testimony, saying that Brad Heath said he saw an unusual man that day. He said the Betsy Blair testimony didn’t tell the whole story.

Rozzi says “I have to take a breath before I talk about here,” when referring to Sarah Carbaugh.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

Defense still hasn't ( can't) take RA OFF the bridge and ordering 2 young teenagers DTH.

All they are doing is dissing on the Prosecuting team, Dissing on the witnesses.

They have yet to remove RA and Prove he was somewhere else.

JMO

 

[justtrish]

Defense still hasn't ( can't) take RA OFF the bridge and ordering 2 young teenagers DTH.

All they are doing is dissing on the Prosecuting team, Dissing on the witnesses.

They have yet to remove RA and Prove he was somewhere else.

JMO

I am so curious if they even mentioned BG in their closing.. did they say RA is not BG.. did they even reference if they believe BG is RA then xyz?