VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[katydid23]

Anyone know how they get clarifications?

For example, if some of their notes say the reported confession included "white van" and some say it was just "van", how is that clarified, since they cannot look at transcripts (which just seems strange to me).

I think they can send a note to the judge and ask for a clarification of facts.

 

[katydid23]

He didn’t say he would tell them what he did.

He said he would tell them what they wanted to hear.

It is an important difference.

So if this whole mess became too much for his wife, his proposal to make it better for her, was that he offered to make a false confession of killing 2 girls? Why would that make things any better for her?

It makes more sense that he'd offer to tell the truth and end the whole process and take accountability. IMO

 

[technicallymissing]

Definitely something the killer would know without a doubt!

JMO MOO JMT

If RA is indeed found guilty I wonder if we may get even more detailed confessions from him down the line. Perhaps he will stay quiet on the advice of family/legal team to try and file an appeal, but I could also see a guilty verdict coming as sort of a relief to him after years of attempting to confess to his family and them being unwilling to hear it and shutting him down.

Even though his family may still insist they don't believe it, maybe being proven and convicted guilty in the court of law will make him feel like now that the world knows what he did once and for all- it's all out in the open- he has some kind of a chance at redemption by confessing in entirety, filling in the blanks for girls' families and apologizing to them as he has already expressed he wants to do.
Maybe he would especially want forgiveness (good luck with that) from the girls' families if his own still refuses to believe him. Jmo and total speculation on my part. I wouldn't be shocked given what we've seen and heard from him over the past two years, he really seems to have been seeking some kind of (spiritual if not literal) absolution during the phone calls with his wife & mother

 

[snooptroop88]

So if this whole mess became too much for his wife, his proposal to make it better for her, was that he offered to make a false confession of killing 2 girls? Why would that make things any better for her?

It makes more sense that he'd offer to tell the truth and end the whole process and take accountability. IMO

False confessions to "spare" his wife. And such actions smack of the exact type of disrespect and disregard for the victims-- the exact same type of disregard and disrespect that one could argue was behind their murders to begin with.

It's like they don't exist. All that matters is "him and his."

 

[katydid23]

So completely not used to juries quitting early, and being required to work Saturday- I get the Saturday with sequestered- not sure I get early day 1 of deliberations- maybe I’m missing something? Anyone able to help me?

They are exhausted. They heard a lot this week. Let them get some time to rest up for morning deliberations.

 

[getthefax]

If RA is indeed found guilty I wonder if we may get even more detailed confessions from him down the line. Perhaps he will stay quiet on the advice of family/legal team to try and file an appeal, but I could also see a guilty verdict coming as sort of a relief to him after years of attempting to confess to his family and them being unwilling to hear it and shutting him down.

Even though his family may still insist they don't believe it, maybe being proven and convicted guilty in the court of law will make him feel like now that the world knows what he did once and for all- it's all out in the open- he has some kind of a chance at redemption by confessing in entirety, filling in the blanks for girls' families and apologizing to them as he has already expressed he wants to do.
Maybe he would especially want forgiveness (good luck with that) from the girls' families if his own still refuses to believe him. Jmo and total speculation on my part. I wouldn't be shocked given what we've seen and heard from him over the past two years, he really seems to have been seeking some kind of (spiritual if not literal) absolution during the phone calls with his wife & mother

BBM
This is what I am personally hoping for—a conviction, a convincing confession, and an apology.
It won’t do a thing for these families, but it would go a long way toward resolving suspicion/doubt etc. I know an apology would absolutely feel like too little/too late, but if he is found guilty and wishes to repent, it would be a start to take accountability (again, if he is found guilty). MOO

 

[INfisherman]

If RA is indeed found guilty I wonder if we may get even more detailed confessions from him down the line. Perhaps he will stay quiet on the advice of family/legal team to try and file an appeal, but I could also see a guilty verdict coming as sort of a relief to him after years of attempting to confess to his family and them being unwilling to hear it and shutting him down.

Even though his family may still insist they don't believe it, maybe being proven and convicted guilty in the court of law will make him feel like now that the world knows what he did once and for all- it's all out in the open- he has some kind of a chance at redemption by confessing in entirety, filling in the blanks for girls' families and apologizing to them as he has already expressed he wants to do. Maybe he would especially want forgiveness (good luck with that) from the girls' families if his own still refuses to believe him. Jmo and total speculation on my part. I wouldn't be shocked given what we've seen and heard from him over the past two years

One can hope. If that bible clutching act is for real, we’ll find out. I’m not holding my breath on that person doing anything that requires him standing up & simply being a man, let alone a human being. I hope I am absolutely wrong.

Interesting. He’s in prison, has no idea what he’s saying or doing due to his environment & treatment. Claims he’s found God/Jesus around the same time he’s made these questionable confessions while experiencing psychosis. Evidently all of that which occurred affected everything in his mind EXCEPT his NEWFOUND faith? Hmmmm. Still holding that bible isn’t he? Food for thought.

JMO

 

[technicallymissing]

One can hope. If that bible clutching act is for real, we’ll find out. I’m not holding my breath on that person doing anything that requires him standing up & simply being a man, let alone a human being. I hope I am absolutely wrong.

Interesting. He’s in prison, has no idea what he’s saying or doing due to his environment & treatment. Claims he’s found God/Jesus around the same time he’s made these questionable confessions while experiencing psychosis. Evidently all of that which occurred affected everything in his mind EXCEPT his NEWFOUND faith? Hmmmm. Still holding that bible isn’t he? Food for thought.

JMO

Yeah, maybe "spiritual" and "absolution" were the wrong words lol- to be clear I think he wants forgiveness from his family/potentially Abby and Libby's families. I''ve never bought the finding God thing either. At all

 

[KentuckyMama]

So if this whole mess became too much for his wife, his proposal to make it better for her, was that he offered to make a false confession of killing 2 girls? Why would that make things any better for her?

It makes more sense that he'd offer to tell the truth and end the whole process and take accountability. IMO

My 17 year old daughter was home sick today. I was reading to her some of RAs jail calls to his wife and mama. When I read that one you have above, she popped up from the couch and said exactly as you are saying. That its another confession. An offer to confess. For his wife, if its too much for her. My spawn is convinced that wifey knew the minute she saw the BG picture on the news. Sometimes people can live and function in denial for years or a lifetime. Avoiding the elephant just becomes the natural state.

 

[Shadow@light]

I am thread behind doing my best to catch up(Time difference)
There a question I have going through my thoughts but going through news reports and threads I cannot find the answer.
How deep is the creek Libby and Abby was forced across? The water height on Libby and Abby as they crossed the creek. Phones signal stopped, no further movement detected, they could been move around the much longer than thought. IMO
Which been no comfort to them more frightening and horrify than words can describe.

 

[Rush4087]

He didn’t say he would tell them what he did.

He said he would tell them what they wanted to hear.

It is an important difference.

Telling them what they wanted to hear - and confessing that he murdered the girls - are not mutually exclusive actions.

Even if there is ambiguity in this one statement (from which it is impossible for any listener or reader to know for a fact what he actually meant) - didn’t he confess an additional sixty (60) times?

Jmo

 

[INfisherman]

Yeah, maybe "spiritual" and "absolution" were the wrong words lol- to be clear I think he wants forgiveness from his family/potentially Abby and Libby's families. I''ve never bought the finding God thing either. At all.

Sorry technically, the 2nd paragraph wasn’t directed specifically towards you. That all just sort of hit me as I was replying. Could he be as mentally unstable as is claimed yet retain that portion? That I’m aware it was never mentioned. Granted, I do see that could be thought as a very cheap shot by some, but I did find that little part quite interesting.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

No he didn’t - this link transcribed it as follows: “Richard: "If this is too much, call the investigators and I'll tell them whatever they want."

Prosecution rests after Delphi murders suspect's confession calls to wife played in court

"If I get the electric chair or the death penalty, will you be there for me? I killed Abby and Libby," the double-murder suspect told his wife over a taped phone call. Prosecutors rested their case Thursday.

abc11.com

Why would he think a false confession ,which would lead to life in prison, would make things better for his wife?

 

[KooshBall]

I'm surprised that the bigger Bible hasn't burst into flames. How is RA going to act religious when he knows he is putting the family of his victims through distress with this trial. MOO

 

[katydid23]

And to me it does as it shows the mental state the person that did this could have been in-I don’t see anxiousness in the deliberate way those branches were placed. Certainly didn’t appear they were in a hurry either

There could be other reasons for the way he was placing them. For example, maybe he was a setting them the way one builds a fire. He might have thought that burning the evidence would help him get away with it. He knew someone was going to be looking for them really soon so maybe he was trying to create some chaos and destroy evidence :?

But then he maybe heard her Dad calling out their names so he dropped that idea and took off?

 

[shonyakay]

If RA is found guilty, will there be any victim impact statements allowed?

 

[MassGuy]

If RA is found guilty, will there be any victim impact statements allowed?

Yes. All states allow that.

I just hope it’s necessary here, as who knows what the jury is going to decide.

 

[mrjitty]

This made my day...

"But under cross examination by prosecutor Nick McLeland, Eldridge's confidence crumbled, and she was forced to admit that water damage or even dirt could have caused the audio output 'activity' to register in error.
She also admitted that the most likely explanation for the phone being in and out of reception was that it simply dropped service as it had done intermittently throughout the day due to the remote and wooded location in which it was found."

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i am going to sound like a broken record but why did the D and it’s surrogates spend the last 6 months saying the phone was switched off when their own expert witness said the phone was always on and just losing coverage?

were they just intentionally lying?

and will the people who claimed that now acknowledge that they were 100% wrong about this theory despite how hard it was pushed?

this was the supposed centrepiece of the odinist 2nd location theory!

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

If RA is found guilty, will there be any victim impact statements allowed?

If convicted, I believe the impact statements would be given at the sentencing hearing.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

This made my day...

"But under cross examination by prosecutor Nick McLeland, Eldridge's confidence crumbled, and she was forced to admit that water damage or even dirt could have caused the audio output 'activity' to register in error.
She also admitted that the most likely explanation for the phone being in and out of reception was that it simply dropped service as it had done intermittently throughout the day due to the remote and wooded location in which it was found."

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Thank You----we can dismiss that ridiculous 'human hand on the headphone' nonsense now. I bet the jury will too.