VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[TristanP]

I stand corrected.

When I read about his testimony, Dulin said he canvassed the crime scene. He was there on February 17, 2017.
He testified he found sticks and branches that caught his attention. He said they had blood on them and were piled up in a 5-foot area.
Dulin testified to calling the investigation center and asking them to go back to the scene to collect the sticks.

(This is why I thought he testified it was in a couple days.)

Two days or two weeks, it’s still astonishing that they were left behind in the first place.

 

[flashy09]

This is why IMO it was broken-I remember everyone reporting how clean Abby was, including her hands. She could have instantly died as well, which would cause the heart to no longer pump blood and I believe this is another reason as to why so little of her blood was found at the scene

I think she had significant blood loss, but it was concentrated in one place because she never moved.
I don't know why she appeared to never move. It's as haunting as Libby's desperation.

 

[cherrybier]

I think if we were gonna see legal action we woulda by now since the franks one came out last year.

'Cultist' who Delphi defense blames for 'ritualistic' murders breaks silence

A MAN accused by Richard Allen’s attorneys of carrying out the Delphi murders as part of a ritualistic sacrifice said he’s exploring legal action after the sensational allegations turne…

www.the-sun.com

Not sure about that scenario/person but we could be seeing some civil action by RA against the DOC...

Moo.

 

[fred&edna]

What would the comparison of sticks tell anyone? There are similar trees in Indiana? Maybe an expert forensic arborist was needed on the case.

jmo

 

[technicallymissing]

or
How'd you like that line about BW having sticks in his garage??

JMO

I prefer a history lesson on various medieval torture devices courtesy of Brad Rozzi, myself

 

[snooptroop88]

Well, that just stinks !!!

IMO, They should have some recourse for their names being blasted all over SM by the D-team minions and FM's written.

On the question of whether the defense team could be sued for discussing others as potential perps in this case, usually I'd agree that there'd be no legal recourse against a defense team. There's "not supposed to be." But there's also "not supposed to be" an SODDI advanced that's ridiculously speculative. And there's "not supposed to be" a situation where graphic photos of murdered children are leaked when there's a gag order in place. There ideally wouldn't be "crowdsourcing" to hire experts while a D spends thousands of legal hours pursuing the aforementioned SODDI.

Agreed the D didn't reveal anything to the public in this very high-profile case that wasn't already public knowledge, but that begs the question of why they bothered to "reveal" anything at all, as there was no revelation. So that means these people's names were dragged through the mud in a highly public fashion for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

As we see from this case, the legal world is clearly full of very creative thinkers. So I wouldn't rule out the idea of some lawyer or related organization getting very creative at the end of this process and this time directing that creativity into an examination of counsel. I'm not a lawyer, though. But there's no disputing that lawyers can get very, very creative when it suits their purposes.

 

[Warwick7]

This made my day...

"But under cross examination by prosecutor Nick McLeland, Eldridge's confidence crumbled, and she was forced to admit that water damage or even dirt could have caused the audio output 'activity' to register in error.
She also admitted that the most likely explanation for the phone being in and out of reception was that it simply dropped service as it had done intermittently throughout the day due to the remote and wooded location in which it was found."

search.app

 

[photographer4]

Here is the link:

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-did-it-do-you-still-love-me-jurors-hear-allens-phone-call-confessions-in-delphi-murders-trial/

Quote:

Allen’s calls played in court

During a call on Nov. 14, 2022, Allen told his wife if the situation became “too much,” he’d talk to investigators and tell them what they wanted to know.

His wife, Kathy, replied, “You need to just hang in there.”

“I’m sorry, baby,” Allen responded. “It’s just one more thing I *advertiser censored**** up for you.” He told her he loved her.

Seems to depend on which media outlet one is reading because the one I posted is not the same (not a poke at you, you can’t help what diff media report!). Wish there was at least audio available to the public.

 

[Warwick7]

Seems to depend on which media outlet one is reading because the one I posted is not the same (not a poke at you, you can’t help what diff media report!). Wish there was at least audio available to the public.

Exactly!! We really needed just one video/audio.

 

[RemarkableYou]

Exactly!! We really needed just one video/audio.

Or the ability to hear the court proceedings ourselves

 

[SleutherGirl]

Is this jury deliberating on weekends? I read that this is up to the judge? Did Judge Gull say anything about this?

 

[SouthEnd]

Is this jury deliberating on weekends? I read that this is up to the judge? Did Judge Gull say anything about this?

On Saturday yes, on Sunday no

 

[Warwick7]

Is this jury deliberating on weekends? I read that this is up to the judge? Did Judge Gull say anything about this?

Yes, till 4 pm unless the jury wants to go longer. And nothing on Sunday.

 

[AugustWest]

On the question of whether the defense team could be sued for discussing others as potential perps in this case, usually I'd agree that there'd be no legal recourse against a defense team. There's "not supposed to be." But there's also "not supposed to be" an SODDI advanced that's ridiculously speculative. And there's "not supposed to be" a situation where graphic photos of murdered children are leaked when there's a gag order in place. There ideally wouldn't be "crowdsourcing" to hire experts while a D spends thousands of legal hours pursuing the aforementioned SODDI.

Agreed the D didn't reveal anything to the public in this very high-profile case that wasn't already public knowledge, but that begs the question of why they bothered to "reveal" anything at all, as there was no revelation. So that means these people's names were dragged through the mud in a highly public fashion for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

As we see from this case, the legal world is clearly full of very creative thinkers. So I wouldn't rule out the idea of some lawyer or related organization getting very creative at the end of this process and this time directing that creativity into an examination of counsel. I'm not a lawyer, though. But there's no disputing that lawyers can get very, very creative when it suits their purposes.

Attorneys are given what is called litigation privilege. No lawsuits towards attorneys are coming.

https://www.hofstralawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/DD.5.Hill_.final1_.pdf

 

[MiniMoo]

Not their job to prove his innocent at all. It is not their job to get RA off the bridge's first platform. It is their job to point out potential flaws in the prosecution case. Like it or not it is the state's responsibility to prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt. So now we wait and see what the jury does with what they have heard and seen.

Well said!
Reasonable doubt versus burden of proof.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Deleted member 296739]

EBM—
In her instructions, Judge Gull stipulated the jury would deliberate 9am-4pm, and not on Sundays. Maybe she let them go before 4 pm today just so they could have a fresh start tomorrow? MOO

That makes sense - thanks

 

[katydid23]

This thread is moving fast, so I apologize if these are tired questions...but... were headphones found at the scene? Was it known if either girl had headphones with them? I fully believe this is irrelevant but am just curious.

No headphones found. IMO, there were never any.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Just random.

I will not complain if the verdict is not what I expect.

I wasn't in the courtroom for every word of testimony but the jury was.

I trust their judgment.

Agreed- and they asked good questions and were engaged- I trust their judgement and process- regardless of the outcome- moo

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Yeah I can't rationalise being spooked by a van and having time to place some sticks in weird positions. Pointless imo.

He had moved from the south side of the creek to the desolate north side, where he wasn’t spooked it seems.

Jmo

 

[Mitch1]

He had moved from the south side of the creek to the desolate north side, where he wasn’t spooked it seems.

Jmo

It wasn’t exactly the Amazon-not sure how crossing a few feet of creek suddenly calmed his nerves