Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[SouthAussie]

“Deathcap from Melbourne, Vic, Australia on May 18 2022 … Bricker Reserve, Moorabbin - iNaturalist,” the headline for the page captured reads, the jury was told.

Remembering that Simon collapsed and was gravely ill in May 2022.


Mushroom cook’s ex ‘almost died’ from mystery gut illness

 

[SouthAussie]

Wonder what the relevance of this is "Korumburra middle pub"?

As Simon fell gravely ill in May 2022, I am wondering if Simon went there to eat regularly.
If they had a suitable menu, maybe the pub could be blamed for Simon's illness (if the cause had been discovered).

The Korumburra Middle Hotel

www.korumburrahotel.com.au

 

[Two SCents]

Months ago before I ever heard of iNaturalist in relation to this case, I installed the App on my phone.
I've been to the site and looked at other things that peope reported.

It was during a bird count in people's backyards. I read about it in an ABC article.
I never did anything with it, I think I need a phone with a better camera.

iNaturalist seems to the leading APP and site of this kind and is used by many people.

Thank you for sharing this Tootsie, I wasn't aware the app was for many more things apart from fungus'.
I wonder then if the parameters of only searching the words death cap mushrooms will mean any other things she looks at on iNaturalist and might seek out in her environment will be omitted. Things that might be in the same area as death cap mushrooms for example.

 

[ch_13]

So forget the 10 year thing, I believe Australia can make that data last forever.

Rsbm.

That's only after a warrant is issued. In other words, first there has to be suspicion of a crime, then a court can order that incriminating data not be deleted.

Pretty much every country has similar procedure. That's not the same thing as a data retention policy, which applies to all data in a company's possession. As I said, there's no law or policy that requires Google to keep user data for 10 years.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

ahaha. He means the jury... you're free to research death caps and iNaturalist as much as you want, so long as you're not planning any lunches for your inlaws...

Yet again, no laughing emoji when you need it.
God, I hope my internet searches never get uncovered.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Thank you for sharing this Tootsie, I wasn't aware the app was for many more things apart from fungus'.
I wonder then if the parameters of only searching the words death cap mushrooms will mean any other things she looks at on iNaturalist and might seek out in her environment will be omitted. Things that might be in the same area as death cap mushrooms for example.

I imagine the defence would be all over that, creating reasonable doubt, if she'd searched for all manner of plants, animals & insects along with her fungi on the app.

 

[Vortexaire]

Rsbm.

That's only after a warrant is issued. In other words, first there has to be suspicion of a crime, then a court can order that incriminating data not be deleted.

Pretty much every country has similar procedure. That's not the same thing as a data retention policy, which applies to all data in a company's possession. As I said, there's no law or policy that requires Google to keep user data for 10 years.

Then consider it a misword on my part, Google may not be obligated to keep the data for 10 years, but the police would. Depending on the statute of limitations, that data may need to persist for a longer amount of time.

Also what is RSBM?

 

[ch_13]

Then consider it a misword on my part, Google may not be obligated to keep the data for 10 years, but the police would. Depending on the statute of limitations, that data may need to persist for a longer amount of time.

Also what is RSBM?

RSBM - "Respectfully snipped by me." In other words, I didn't quote your whole post, just a portion of it. I use it to make it clear that I'm not trying to be squirrelly and quote a post out-of-context. There's a WS glossary here: Websleuths Lingo

As far as the data retention periods...the distinction I'm trying to make is that, yes the government can order a company to keep data indefinitely if they have evidence of a crime. However, if a crime is discovered long after it's committed, the government can't go to Google and say, "Give me data from 10 years ago." It would have been deleted by then.

This comes up in a lot of cases, because there's a limited amount of time in which a subpoena must be issued to the app provider/website to make sure evidence is preserved. And there's generally no laws that govern this (except in a few very specific circumstances).

 

[SouthAussie]

So, on 28th May 2021 (not 2022, when Erin googled Korumburra Middle Pub) Dr Tom May - who has already testified at this trial as an expert from the Royal Botanical Gardens - appeared as an after-dinner speaker at the Korumburra Middle Pub.

Maybe Erin saw this notice (that has been shown to me) on Google on 28th May 2022, and looked to see if he was at the pub that night. He wasn't.

He was there the year before, but the announcement doesn't state a year.
(In 2022 the 28th was a Sunday)

Or maybe she went to hear him speak there in 2021, and was looking to see if he would be there again.

https://www.basscoastlandcare.org.au/uploads/8/9/8/3/89835233/korumburra_land_care_meeting_210528.pdf

 

[Neet_Mc]

Remembering that Simon collapsed and was gravely ill in May 2022.

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Mushroom cook’s ex ‘almost died’ from mystery gut illness

I was wondering whether the dates correlated to Simon’s hospitalisations!

 

[katydid23]

I imagine the defence would be all over that, creating reasonable doubt, if she'd searched for all manner of plants, animals & insects along with her fungi on the app.

I'm pretty sure the defense will try to muddy the waters by saying she also looked at other pages of the website.

The problem is her lunch guests were poisoned with Death Caps and LE found traces of that toxin in the leftovers and on her tipped dehydrator. So even if she looked at squirrels and wild birds on that same website, the fact that we also know that she saw pictures of Death Caps with their location pinned, it is still incriminating, imo.

Each tiny piece of individual circumstantial evidence can be explained away to create reasonable doubt. But when you string them all together and look at them as a whole, it is harder to see them all as just coincidental. IMO

 

[katydid23]

When I saw that she googled that pub it made me wonder if she was looking for a suitable place to go, or to know about, so she could say that was why she was in Korrumburra, in case she was ever asked about it.

Like if she ran into someone she knew or something?

 

[SouthAussie]

Does anyone remember when their church ran a workshop about growing mushrooms in burlap? I have been searching different keywords in the thread and can't find it. I know we posted about it way back somewhere because it was in one of the church newsletters.

I was wondering if it was after Tom May spoke at the Korumburra Middle Pub on 28th May 2021.
I was also wondering if that is why Erin didn't want anyone to look in her pantry. Do mushrooms have to grow in a darkened place?

 

[Kemug]

Yet again, no laughing emoji when you need it.
God, I hope my internet searches never get uncovered.

Join the club - oh, you already did!

 

[Kemug]

I wonder what the interest in Gail's texts is about?

 

[JBowie]

I trust that jurors take seriously the judge's warning not to google stuff that they heard in evidence today. Reportedly he reminded them that they are not investigators.

The last thing we need in a technically detailed case like this is a mistrial called part way through due to juror misbehavior.

 

[Eloise]

Does anyone remember when their church ran a workshop about growing mushrooms in burlap? I have been searching different keywords in the thread and can't find it. I know we posted about it way back somewhere because it was in one of the church newsletters.

I was wondering if it was after Tom May spoke at the Korumburra Middle Pub on 28th May 2021.
I was also wondering if that is why Erin didn't want anyone to look in her pantry. Do mushrooms have to grow in a darkened place?

3. Ex newsletter editor ​

Ms Patterson took over a local newsletter from her now dead former in-laws Don and Gail Patterson in 2018, editing The Burra Flyer newsletter until 2020.

The 2019 September-November edition of the newsletter included details of a local workshop teaching people in the community how to grow their own mushrooms. In the Korumburra workshop people would be taught “how to grow gourmet mushrooms at home using easy to source materials and low-tech methods”, it spruiked.

“The class includes making your own oyster mushroom grow bag to take home, teaching notes and a delicious afternoon tea,” a notice in the newsletter read.

There is no suggestion that the details published in this newsletter are in any way linked to the alleged mushroom lunch poisonings.

 

[Rumination1]

When I saw that she googled that pub it made me wonder if she was looking for a suitable place to go, or to know about, so she could say that was why she was in Korrumburra, in case she was ever asked about it.

Like if she ran into someone she knew or something?

Interestingly they have sautéed Gippsland ( Ie her area) mushrooms
Either she suspected them of poisoning Simon or she hoped she could blame them for a poisoning

IMO

 

[Old Soul]

Does anyone remember when their church ran a workshop about growing mushrooms in burlap? I have been searching different keywords in the thread and can't find it. I know we posted about it way back somewhere because it was in one of the church newsletters.

I was wondering if it was after Tom May spoke at the Korumburra Middle Pub on 28th May 2021.
I was also wondering if that is why Erin didn't want anyone to look in her pantry. Do mushrooms have to grow in a darkened place?

Is it from this community newsletter?
The Burra Flyer 2019
Page 43

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/64ee9fbc5f35271034ee8f5e/t/64f9974de85117457ee177fe/1694078861451/2019-09-spring-compressed.pdf

 

[CityKid]

This doesn't align with what Erin's son said in his evidence:
2. He explained he and his mother drove for an hour to a flying lesson in Tyabb the day after the lunch but it was cancelled when they were 10 minutes away so they turned around. They stopped once and bought dim sims and a hot dog and his mother had a coffee but did not use the toilet.

Erin Patterson took son on hours-long drive despite feeling sick, murder trial hears — as it happened

Erin Patterson is accused of murdering three relatives by serving them a beef Wellington that contained death cap mushrooms. Look back at how the day in court unfolded.

www.abc.net.au

MOO Maybe she stashed the gas station food in her bag to eat privately while still letting her children think she was too sick to have anything but coffee. I don't remember whether the son said he ate both the dim sims and the hot dog. Perhaps they made both stops and the son only mentioned the one when he got food?