Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[JBowie]

Anyone else find it odd that Erin would leave her baby son 5,000km from home, regardless of what was going on with her partner? I can understand maybe taking the child and leaving Simon to find his own way home, or continuing the trip with her son in a different room from Simon, but to just abandon them both, and literally end up at the opposite side of the country from them? What mother does that? For the mothers amongst us, what would you do in a situation like that? I, for one, would not be abandoning my baby for love nor money.

I'd love to hear SP's true accounting of life with EP.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Anyone else find it odd that Erin would leave her baby son 5,000km from home, regardless of what was going on with her partner? I can understand maybe taking the child and leaving Simon to find his own way home, or continuing the trip with her son in a different room from Simon, but to just abandon them both, and literally end up at the opposite side of the country from them? What mother does that? For the mothers amongst us, what would you do in a situation like that? I, for one, would not be abandoning my baby for love nor money.

It's extremely odd. I can't understand how any mother could do that...

 

[Ellery84]

Anyone else find it odd that Erin would leave her baby son 5,000km from home, regardless of what was going on with her partner? I can understand maybe taking the child and leaving Simon to find his own way home, or continuing the trip with her son in a different room from Simon, but to just abandon them both, and literally end up at the opposite side of the country from them? What mother does that? For the mothers amongst us, what would you do in a situation like that? I, for one, would not be abandoning my baby for love nor money.

She took the infant with her, didn’t she?!

 

[Old Soul]

She took the infant with her, didn’t she?!

Nope.

“Dr Rogers went on to probe the fractious relationship between the couple following their marriage in June 2007 and their permanent separation in November 2015, at one stage with Erin flying back to Perth on her own from Townsville during the couple’s travels around Australia, leaving Simon to drive back to Perth by himself with the couple’s baby.

Here is what Simon told the court:

"We again packed up everything, went in a four-wheel drive with a tent and with a young baby and we drove through the northern half of Australia for a few months, up to the top of Cape York Peninsula and then got back down to Townsville where Erin chose to fly just herself back to Perth. So, I packed everything up and [name] and I drove across Australia through the middle, straight back to Perth.

However, on returing to Perth from travels around Australia's north, Erin organised a rental place for herself while Simon lived in a caravan park nearby.”

Mushroom trial: How a fractious relationship unravelled and became toxic - South Gippsland Sentinel Times

Erin Pattrson's estranged husband was the first witness called by the prosecution in the case of the triple 'mushroom' murders. SIMON Peter Patterson, the estranged husband of the woman accused of the triple murder of three of his family members and...

www.sgst.com.au

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Nope.

“Dr Rogers went on to probe the fractious relationship between the couple following their marriage in June 2007 and their permanent separation in November 2015, at one stage with Erin flying back to Perth on her own from Townsville during the couple’s travels around Australia, leaving Simon to drive back to Perth by himself with the couple’s baby.

Here is what Simon told the court:

"We again packed up everything, went in a four-wheel drive with a tent and with a young baby and we drove through the northern half of Australia for a few months, up to the top of Cape York Peninsula and then got back down to Townsville where Erin chose to fly just herself back to Perth. So, I packed everything up and [name] and I drove across Australia through the middle, straight back to Perth.

However, on returing to Perth from travels around Australia's north, Erin organised a rental place for herself while Simon lived in a caravan park nearby.”

Mushroom trial: How a fractious relationship unravelled and became toxic - South Gippsland Sentinel Times

Erin Pattrson's estranged husband was the first witness called by the prosecution in the case of the triple 'mushroom' murders. SIMON Peter Patterson, the estranged husband of the woman accused of the triple murder of three of his family members and...

www.sgst.com.au

I wonder who had the child once Simon returned to WA?

 

[Bats]

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I am reasonably confident that if she had uttered the words "foraged mushrooms" they would immediately have administered the antidote to deathcap poisoning in an abundance of caution regardless of testing.

Yes, and I think @drsleuth also mentioned - further back in the threads - that if the doctors had known about the foraged mushrooms, giving the patients precautionary treatment for death caps wouldn't have harmed them further.

The hypothetical argument that regardless of Erin being found innocent of the crimes of murder and attempted murder, that she is still guilty of withholding information that potentially could have saved the lives of Gail, Heather and Don, in my opinion is moot.

It was no secret that Erin foraged mushrooms. Simon knew, the kids knew and i would expect the patients knew.

If the catalyst for administering an antidote (that could be administered without huge risk) was simply to utter the words, "the mushrooms may have been foraged", then why didn't anyone say that?

At this point, Erin believes the mushrooms used in the dish were bought from a store. Perhaps I'm incorrect here?

JMO

 

[Little Jack]

The hypothetical argument that regardless of Erin being found innocent of the crimes of murder and attempted murder, that she is still guilty of withholding information that potentially could have saved the lives of Gail, Heather and Don, in my opinion is moot.

It was no secret that Erin foraged mushrooms. Simon knew, the kids knew and i would expect the patients knew.

If the catalyst for administering an antidote (that could be administered without huge risk) was simply to utter the words, "the mushrooms may have been foraged", then why didn't anyone say that?

At this point, Erin believes the mushrooms used in the dish were bought from a store. Perhaps I'm incorrect here?

JMO

I don't think everyone did know. Her daughter denied it in the interview. Simon said it was "news to him' that she was dehydrating food. No one else was reporting to doctors that there were potentially foraged mushrooms in what they ate. Did you see a quote somewhere that Ian or someone else did? If so please link.

 

[katydid23]

I agree, IMO Erin’s generosity may have come with emotional strings. The loans may also have tax benefits although we don’t know the particulars.

Also interesting is one of her messages that was posted in court the other day mentioned how Don and Gail’s daughter would receive better treatment if she had asked her parents to intervene in marital woes. In part:

5. His parents sent me a message yesterday afternoon and Simon sent me one last night, but I've read neither and I don't think I will. I don't want to hear it. Simon's will just be horrible and be gaslighting and abusive and it will ruin my day and his parents will be more weasel words about not getting involved. So I think I'm going to just move on. I don't need anything from these people. Simon's parents say they don't want to take sides, but by the very actions they have.

[If] Daughter came to them, laying all the same complaints about her husband that I did about Simon. They would never say to her, ‘Oh well, we can't believe you until we hear (his) side’ right now it's your word against his’. No, they would just believe that if their daughter's husband just walked away and refused to support her kids, they would have things to say to him. But by refusing to hold Simon to account, they've made it clear his word means more than mine. So that speaks volumes, even if they claim they haven't taken sides.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

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It’s not overt but still interesting and maybe telling about Erin feelings of not being accepted by the family as blood, like Simon’s sister. To me it smacks of anger and even a little jealousy.

She and Simon were together about 10+ years so the hurt might be understandable. Still, they were separated and I’m not convinced his parents were eager to become involved in their fights.

And there was some baggage that may have impacted Simon’s parents’ feelings towards Erin, like that vacation where she got mad and left Simon and their baby:

The court in Morwell, regional Victoria, heard that between the couple's marriage in 2007 and separation in 2015, there were a number of periods of separation and reconciliation - including Erin Patterson leaving her husband and their baby son in the middle of a road trip across Australia in 2009.

Mr Patterson had to drive from Townsville to Perth - a distance of about 5,000 km (3,100 miles) - alone with the child, he told the court.

Mushroom trial: 'very rare' for accused to hold gatherings, says husband

Three people died in hospital after being poisoned with death cap mushrooms.

www.bbc.com

As a grandmother I’d be pissed over either one of my grandchild’s parents abandoning their baby and partner in the middle of vacation and maybe Simon’s parents felt similarly.

Anyway, it appears that Erin was harboring some very negative feelings towards her in-laws and maybe they weren’t as enamored of her as we’ve been told.. JMO

It's also weird that she was so surprised and disappointed that her in-laws would side with their own son over her, and believe their own daughter, over her.

That is totally normal, WHEN AND IF the son or daughter has always been truthful and responsible in the past.

I'd believe my son, even though I do love and respect my daughter-in-law. And I'd try to stay out of any arguments they had, but if push came to shove, I'd believe what my son told me, and side with him because he has always been honest and reliable in the past.

If he had a history of deceit then I'd have to side with my DIL. But I don't think that Simon had a history of being deceitful and untrustworthy with his parents.

 

[katydid23]

Here's yet another curious point. She discussed RecipeTinEats with her FB friends. The first cookbook came out in Oct 2022. It has very detailed instructions for Beef Wellington - three pages no less, plus another page of step-by-step photos (and 2 pages of hero shots of the finished product).

However - the recipe is for ONE big, beautiful Beef Wellington to serve 6-8. She was expecting 6 people to attend, including 3 males (more likely to go for second servings).

Why go to all the effort of individual servings then???

Ah - but of course - individual servings allows careful portioning out of "special" dried mushroom powder - well worth the extra trouble then - in a sad, deranged mind.
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MOO.

If you put any Death Cap material inside that Wellington, every part of it, every bite, would be toxic because those toxins would spread throughout each morsel. IMO

 

[katydid23]

The hypothetical argument that regardless of Erin being found innocent of the crimes of murder and attempted murder, that she is still guilty of withholding information that potentially could have saved the lives of Gail, Heather and Don, in my opinion is moot.

It was no secret that Erin foraged mushrooms. Simon knew, the kids knew and i would expect the patients knew.

Wait, they knew she sometimes foraged mushrooms OR they knew she served foraged mushrooms on Saturday?

If the catalyst for administering an antidote (that could be administered without huge risk) was simply to utter the words, "the mushrooms may have been foraged", then why didn't anyone say that?

I think people probably did but Erin DENIED it.

At this point, Erin believes the mushrooms used in the dish were bought from a store. Perhaps I'm incorrect here?

JMO

Why do you think that Erin believed the mushrooms she served were bought from a store?

Why would she believe that if she KNEW that she had used her dehydrator to dry and then powder fresh mushrooms she had foraged?

Why would she think they were store bought if we saw those pictures SHE took of the fresh mushrooms and her dehydrator?

 

[HoneyBunOne]

If you put any Death Cap material inside that Wellington, every part of it, every bite, would be toxic because those toxins would spread throughout each morsel. IMO

I know! I never understood why she called the dish she served a Beef Wellington, especially when the recipe she supposedly used was a single Wellington, with quite complex steps. To me, it begs the question of why were they individual servings, when traditionally, and in the recipe she chose, it's one log cut into slices? Why not just call them parcels, pasties, pies whatever? Nobody would question it, and it makes more sense to me.

 

[Two SCents]

She took the infant with her, didn’t she?!

According to The Age she did take the baby with her. Not as much detail as The Gippsland Sentinal Times which appears to be more accurate but explains why some of us were of the understanding she took the baby with her.

 

[SouthAussie]

The hypothetical argument that regardless of Erin being found innocent of the crimes of murder and attempted murder, that she is still guilty of withholding information that potentially could have saved the lives of Gail, Heather and Don, in my opinion is moot.

I don't think it is moot. I think, at the very least, it might leave her with a guilty manslaughter verdict.

 

[Spectrix]

At this point, Erin believes the mushrooms used in the dish were bought from a store. Perhaps I'm incorrect here?

Yes, you are incorrect.
The defence have made it clear that Erin lied about the source of the mushrooms. They agree that the mushrooms were foraged, and that they were Death Caps. There is no question about that.
The only part that is in dispute is whether or not Erin knew the mushrooms were poisonous.

The narrative of the mushrooms coming from an Asian grocer was, according to the defence, completely fictional.

 

[Two SCents]

Yes, you are incorrect.
The defence have made it clear that Erin lied about the source of the mushrooms. They agree that the mushrooms were foraged, and that they were Death Caps. There is no question about that.
The only part that is in dispute is whether or not Erin knew the mushrooms were poisonous.

The narrative of the mushrooms coming from an Asian grocer was, according to the defence, completely fictional.

Hey Spectrix do you have a source for the bold section. I'm not sure what ABC quoted as Mr Mandy stating is the same as what you've said there?


"Finally, he concedes she did forage for mushrooms.
But Ms Patterson denied ever deliberately seeking out death cap mushrooms, he argues."

 

[SouthAussie]

Hey Spectrix do you have a source for the bold section. I'm not sure what ABC quoted as Mr Mandy stating is the same as what you've said there?


"Finally, he concedes she did forage for mushrooms.
But Ms Patterson denied ever deliberately seeking out death cap mushrooms, he argues."


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Obviously I am not @Spectrix , but I think this bit speaks to the fact that the defence admits that Erin foraged Death Caps ...


A defence lawyer representing accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson has told a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

During his opening address on Wednesday, defence barrister Colin Mandy SC said it was not disputed that the lunch guests fell sick and three died as a result of eating death cap mushrooms contained in the meal.

Mushroom trial: Erin Patterson admits foraging mushrooms but lawyers say deaths were accident

Erin Patterson admits foraging mushrooms, but did not deliberately seek out death cap mushrooms, jury told.

www.rnz.co.nz

 

[Two SCents]

Obviously I am not @Spectrix , but I think this bit speaks to the fact that the defence admits that Erin foraged Death Caps ...


A defence lawyer representing accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson has told a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

During his opening address on Wednesday, defence barrister Colin Mandy SC said it was not disputed that the lunch guests fell sick and three died as a result of eating death cap mushrooms contained in the meal.

Mushroom trial: Erin Patterson admits foraging mushrooms but lawyers say deaths were accident

Erin Patterson admits foraging mushrooms, but did not deliberately seek out death cap mushrooms, jury told.

www.rnz.co.nz

Ok thanks for that. Her defence barrister is only disputing she specifically foraged for death caps. Got it.

 

[Scuffy35]

Ok thanks for that. Her defence barrister is only disputing she specifically foraged for death caps. Got it.

And the defence have not admitted, from media reports that I have seen, that the Asian grocery mushroom purchace was a lie.

 

[Lisa4]

If you put any Death Cap material inside that Wellington, every part of it, every bite, would be toxic because those toxins would spread throughout each morsel. IMO

Ah YES. The individual servings were to ensure her own safety.

 

[Lisa4]

I know! I never understood why she called the dish she served a Beef Wellington, especially when the recipe she supposedly used was a single Wellington, with quite complex steps. To me, it begs the question of why were they individual servings, when traditionally, and in the recipe she chose, it's one log cut into slices? Why not just call them parcels, pasties, pies whatever? Nobody would question it, and it makes more sense to me.

Individual BWs are actually a thing. I made them once for my partner and me.