Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

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I remembered the police interview being played in court yesterday, and one of the things that stood out to me was when EP said, paraphrasing, that she wanted her in-laws in her kids', their grandchildren's, lives. Seems rather incongruous that she messaged her Facebook friends group chat to say she wanted nothing to do with them, seemed to despise them, and lure them in with a fake cancer story to (allegedly) murder them? And who keeps a manual of a dehydrator without said item? Now of course you could say that she was just venting to her friends, which is a distinct possibility, but added together it raises eyebrows. JMO
I was very close to my in laws, especially my late mother in law but she’d occasionally drive me crazy. I’d complain to my friends that sometimes she’d call me five or six times a day with silly stuff. We mainly had a good laugh over it but never ever ever did I express wanting to cut ties with her or anyone else, let alone in that awful language. That’s way beyond frustration IMO.

Private chat or not I’ve never seen such vitriol which then changed to loving descriptions. A few weeks back I opined that Erin is filled with rage against those who she believes wronged her, whether it’s true or not. I still believe it.
 
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Bingo! Who chooses to use mushrooms or any food that "smells funny"??? That's asking for food poisoning right there- even without the toxicity of Death Caps.
Yes. Seriously, was she thinking “woo doggies these mushrooms stink to high heaven. Think I’ll use them in that fancy beef Wellington I want to feed my in-laws?”

As a cook, I believe if something smells bad it’s usually because it is bad. We’re not talking about Limburger cheese or durian fruit, just mushrooms. Stinky mushrooms. GMAB.
 
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It's normal for people to misremember. The guests' plates were probably white and Erin's may have been red and black. The defence wants to use Ian's mistake to discredit his evidence more generally. IMO.
Regardless of the exact color, the point is that HER plate was distinctively different from the color/pattern of the plates with the poisoned portions. My personal theory is that she color-coded the plates as a key/sign for herself since the food looked identical to distinguish that neither she nor her children got the poisoned ones since they were individual portions. This wasn't a buffet meal. She had to have served each of them.
 
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Regardless of the exact color, the point is that HER plate was distinctively different from the color/pattern of the plates with the poisoned portions. My personal theory is that she color-coded the plates as a key/sign for herself since the food looked identical to distinguish that neither she nor her children got the poisoned ones since they were individual portions. This wasn't a buffet meal. She had to have served each of them.

Apparently, according to Ian, Gail took two plates and Heather took two plates to the table.

I suggest that Erin's plate was on a different part of the counter, or placed significantly close to herself, so that the ladies natural instinct would be to take the four plates that were most conveniently placed on their side of the counter.


“Erin plated up the food,” he says.
“She was on the kitchen side of the kitchen bench and she was putting the food on the plates.”

Ian says Gail picked up two of the grey plates and placed them on the table, and Heather took the other two. Erin took the unique plate and placed it at her seat.

 
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I was very close to my in laws, especially my late mother in law but she’d occasionally drive me crazy. I’d complain to my friends that sometimes she’d call me five or six times a day with silly stuff. We mainly had a good laugh over it but never ever ever did I express wanting to cut ties with her or anyone else, let alone in that awful language. That’s way beyond frustration IMO.

Private chat or not I’ve never seen such vitriol which then changed to loving descriptions. A few weeks back I opined that Erin is filled with rage against those who she believes wronged her, whether it’s true or not. I still believe it.
Yes, even though she's alleged, Erin still strikes me as the passive-aggressive type that holds onto grievances and fits with the type of people who have poisoned others in the past. They don't kill directly, they lure others into consuming the poisoned item.
 
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IMO, two narcissists but of different types: Lynne the typical grandiose; Patterson the vulnerable. The former is more likely to think that they can win over a jury single-handed.
"Jay Serle, LMFT, Ph. D., notes "A vulnerable narcissist describes someone who is hypersensitive to rejection and extremely self-conscious. They tend to be insecure, as well. They become angry or offended when not put on a pedestal. A person with vulnerable narcissism is highly sensitive to criticism."
 
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Detective discusses factory resets of ‘phone B’

Eppingstall says on one occasion during the police search, Patterson was in a room alone for a “good 20 to 30 minutes” while officers stood outside.

He says Patterson had a mobile phone on her during the search and was talking about making arrangements for her daughter.

Warren shows Eppingstall a “extraction report” of a mobile phone – “phone B” – which shows four factory resets were performed.

One entry shows a factory reset was performed at 1.20pm on 5 August. Eppingstall says this was when officers were at Patterson’s home.

Warren says if this time is in UTC time, the factory reset was done at 11.20pm. Eppingstall says this was when the phone was in his office.

Another factory reset is the following day 6 August at 5.16am. He says at this point the phone was locked up. Taking into account UTC time, the phone would have still been locked up.

Eppingstall says this is during the time police were at Patterson’s house for the search.

Jurors shown Erin Patterson's interview with police​

Jurors are shown Patterson’s record of interview with police from 5 August 2023.

Patterson was interviewed at the Wonthaggi police station, the court hears. The interview begins at 4.41pm.

Patterson is wearing a beige-coloured jumper.

Court hears Patterson tells interviewer ‘I’ve never been in a situation like this before’

The interviewer says Heather and Gail passed away, Don is on life support, and he says he doesn’t have more information on Ian.

“We’re trying to understand what has made them so ill,” one of the interviewers says.

He says he is trying to understand why Patterson is not unwell.

“I’ve never been in a situation like this before,” Patterson says:


The interviewer says police are interested in the mushrooms and asks if she has foraged mushrooms.

Patterson replies: “Never.”
Who was it that said that Erin Patterson had books about mushrooms/fungi on her bookshelf?

 
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I think the social media 'chat' was quite a bit earlier. People can change week to week, let alone over many months and I'm not sure I'd put much weight to that evidence personally. I'd put it down to venting.

Presenting that one vent from a private group chat kinda reminds me of the way the prosecutor cherry picked from Kathleen Folbigg's diaries. And yes it was 6mths or so prior to the lunch invite.
 
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2m ago20.29 EDT

Day 20 recap​

While we wait for today’s proceedings to get under way, here is a recap of what the jury heard on Tuesday:

A Victorian Department of Health official said the investigation into the fateful lunch concluded it was “highly unlikely” that commercial mushroom supply chains were contaminated with death cap mushroom toxins.

A homicide detective said Erin Patterson“expressed surprise” when she learned that some of her guests had died while police conducted a search of her property on 5 August 2023.

The prosecution called their final witness in the trial, Det Leading Sen Const Stephen Eppingstall, who led the police investigation into the lethal lunch. During his testimony, the prosecution played jurors a video of Patterson’s police interview recorded on 5 August 2023.

In the video, Patterson told police she did not own a dehydrator but owned manuals for lots of things. The court was previously shown photographs of a manual for a Sunbeam dehydrator that police located in a kitchen drawer during the search of Patterson’s Leonagtha house on 5 August 2023.

Eppingstall said police tried to track Patterson’s vehicle during an 11-minute window on the evening following the lunch when she dropped her son at Subway in Leongatha and picked him up. He said police were unable to find any footage to determine where she had gone during this time.
 
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Presenting that vent from a private group chat kinda reminds me of the way the prosecutor cherry picked from Kathleen Folbigg's diaries. And yes it was 6mths or so prior to the lunch invite.

They picked photos of dehydrated mushrooms, the dehydrator, how Erin felt about her in-laws, her problems with Simon, that she used Recipe Tin for her beef wellington recipe, how she asked for tips about cooking beef wellington - all from her social media correspondence.

Lots of stuff.

It will be up to the defence to present any correspondence that presents opposing views. The prosecution are not going to do the defence's work for them.

imo
 
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5m ago

Welcome to today's blog​

By Joseph Dunstan​

We're expecting to hear more evidence from Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall, the police informant in the case.

I'm watching from the media room, and will be doing my best to describe the visual exhibits that may be shown during the evidence.
 
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They picked photos of dehydrated mushrooms, the dehydrator, how Erin felt about her in-laws, her problems with Simon, that she used Recipe Tin for her beef wellington, how she asked for tips about cooking beef wellington.

Lots of stuff.

imo

I think you're missing the point of the comparison to Kath Folbigg's diaries, but that's ok.
 
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I think you're missing the point of the comparison to Kath Folbigg's diaries, but that's ok.

No worries. As i added to my post .... It will be up to the defence to present any correspondence that presents opposing views. The prosecution are not going to do the defence's work for them.
 
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Apparently, according to Ian, Gail took two plates and Heather took two plates to the table.

I suggest that Erin's plate was on a different part of the counter, or placed significantly close to herself, so that the ladies natural instinct would be to take the four plates that were most conveniently placed on their side of the counter.


“Erin plated up the food,” he says.
“She was on the kitchen side of the kitchen bench and she was putting the food on the plates.”

Ian says Gail picked up two of the grey plates and placed them on the table, and Heather took the other two. Erin took the unique plate and placed it at her seat.

Yes, or even, she hadn't finished plating the final meal when she called the others to grab a plate and take it to the table.
 
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1m ago

Mushroom Case Daily Podcast​

By Mikaela Ortolan​

There is a slight delay to today's evidence getting underway.

To get up to speed, you can listen to the Mushroom Case Daily podcast.

The ABC's court reporter Kristian Silva and producer Stephen Stockwell bring you the latest from the Latrobe Valley Law Courts each day.

They can also answer your questions in future episodes if you contact them via [email protected].
 
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Yes, or even, she hadn't finished plating the final meal when she called the others to grab a plate and take it to the table.
I happen to think that serving was already plated. And sitting in the pantry from where she could quickly grab it.

IMO she didn't want her BW anywhere near the other four.

If she has an explanation for that, I'm willing to hear it.

JMO
 
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The interview with reporters:

2 things I noted----I never really saw any tears but did note that she kept wiping her eyes then looking at her hand. Was she checking for tears?

Also, I still can't understand how she got Ian and Don mixed up. She says Ian has passed but she is hoping Don pulls through because her children love him. Where did she get her info that Don was still hanging on?
 
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While there is a delay, I would like to present a perspective shift - how would the community react if there were no survivors?

Here’s a thought experiment that might help us all step back and reflect:

What if this had been a murder-suicide?

Imagine the same tragic outcome, but with no survivors—EP included. Imagine the headlines:
“Family Dies in Suspected Mushroom Poisoning Tragedy – Was It an Accident or a Desperate Act?”

I suspect the conversation would shift entirely. The public might speak of the unbearable weight of mental illness, the hidden struggles behind closed doors, and the heartbreak of a family wiped out in a moment of desperation. Instead of focusing on guilt and intent, the talk might turn to how we support families, prevent isolation, and spot the signs of distress.

It’s striking how much our interpretation hinges on survival:
  • A survivor means a villain.
  • No survivors means a tragedy, a tragic cry for help, the result of complete mental snap.
This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold people accountable if wrongdoing is proven. But it does make me wonder: are we so focused on a villain narrative that we might miss the broader human complexities in cases like this?
 
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