Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[Little Jack]

That's a weak question by the defense, IMO. If someone has eaten Death Caps at lunch, and is hospitalised that same night, what other causes of death could there be?

He said 'contributing factors' ----so does he imply that if one of the poison victims had high blood pressure or diabetes, then the lunch wouldn't really be the COD?

I think they are trying to show that Erin could have been less sick than her guests because they were already unhealthy in some way. Rather than that she was less sick because she was faking and had not been poisoned at all.

 

[Lincoln34]

Here's yet another curious point. She discussed RecipeTinEats with her FB friends. The first cookbook came out in Oct 2022. It has very detailed instructions for Beef Wellington - three pages no less, plus another page of step-by-step photos (and 2 pages of hero shots of the finished product).

However - the recipe is for ONE big, beautiful Beef Wellington to serve 6-8. She was expecting 6 people to attend, including 3 males (more likely to go for second servings).

Why go to all the effort of individual servings then???

Ah - but of course - individual servings allows careful portioning out of "special" dried mushroom powder - well worth the extra trouble then - in a sad, deranged mind.
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MOO.

Beef Wellington is my signature dish for a dinner party. It looks impressive and the carving at table adds to the dinner experience IMHO. I don’t use dehydrated mushrooms. I sweat the mushrooms down gently in butter. Didn’t know dehydrated mushrooms were a thing - but then apart from BW I’m a very average cook!

If the fillet of beef is real quality it’s a hard dish to muck up.

Individual wellingtons don’t taste as nice in my view and can be a bit dry. I only do those for a friend who likes his beef EXTREMELY well done. So maybe if some of the guests had their own preferences for how well done they liked their meat that might be a reason for the individual wellingtons, but I’ve heard no evidence to that effect.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, it appears the Health Officer, Sally Ann Atkinson, was already starting to notice some inconsistencies in EP’s answers to her questions about the mushrooms.

It would have been very frustrating that EP was not answering or returning calls and taking up to 24 hours to reply to text messages when Ms Atkinson believed potentially deadly mushrooms might have been on grocery store shelves in Victoria.

There is more detail about communications between EP and Ms Atkinson in the Daily Mail article.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

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Ms Atkinson texted Patterson at 3.50pm on August 1.
'Hi Erin, Sally from the Department of Health here,' the message started.
Ms Atkinson asked in the text for specific information including other ingredients and what drinks were served.
'I need to know what drinks were served, I need to know what shallots were used.'
Ms Atkinson also told Patterson that she needed 'more precise information about the packaging' and 'any roads you were parked on or (were) near those stores' and other landmarks.
'Just things to think about when I need to speak to you again,' Ms Atkinson ended her message.
Patterson responded at 4.08pm on August 2:
'Hi Sally I will try to get that information all to you as soon as possible,' she wrote.
'I’m just dealing with trying to manage and look after the kids in hospital here and a bit snowed under trying to manage that.
'I’ll get this info to you as soon as I can but I've just been in a couple of meetings with people at the hospital when you’ve been trying to call.'
Ms Atkinson texted Patterson back barely a minute later and asked about the kids
'Yeah they're fine thank you,' Patterson responded at 4.11pm.
'Very glad to hear that,' Ms Atkinson immediately replied.

BBM: I thought August 2nd was dehydrator dumping and phone factory reset day. Children were checked out in hospital on July 31st and EP was discharged from hospital on August 1st at 1pm.

Yes, the dates are confusing because some of the reporters are just saying things like ' she was released the next day' or 'they arrived at hospital early that morning' without using the actual dates in the reporting.

From what I understand, EP was 'released' on the 1st but she was still in and out of the hospital an extra day because the kids were kept overnight out of caution.

 

[katydid23]

I think they are trying to show that Erin could have been less sick than her guests because they were already unhealthy in some way. Rather than that she was less sick because she was faking and had not been poisoned at all.

Maybe, but I don't think EP looks like she's in tip top shape and robust health either. I think Death Caps would have made her much worse than what we saw in that gas station clip.

 

[Little Jack]

So many little 'fake' details created. So they were bought for a pasta meal, but they 'smelled funny' ? And she didn't toss them?

So she uses them anyway, saves the rest. And no one got sick that time? So those weren't the culprits?

I recall the mushrooms expert testifying that death caps have a very strong distinctive odor when dried. So probably this was true, but like you said makes her story even stranger. Why wouldn't you dispose of mysterious mushrooms not in original store packaging that smell funny...

 

[mamamama9873]

Maybe, but I don't think EP looks like she's in tip top shape and robust health either. I think Death Caps would have made her much worse than what we saw in that gas station clip.

I have been thinking that too. She’s a middle aged, overweight woman and supposedly was worried about having cancer. The consumption of death caps would have made her very ill as well.

 

[Megnut]

While battling 'explosive diarrhoea' she picked out a nice pair of cream pants to put on, for her 3 hour car trip. And later that day she served up those same leftovers for her children to eat.

And she was starting to feel better. So she had a bowl of cereal, presumably with milk. Because what doesn't stop diarrhea, but dairy products.

Too bad the hospital didn't run a DNA check on the nasty brown bits in her urine samples.

Me, I haven't the nerve to ask the CDC/health department to hang tight while I carry on.

Just sayin'

JMO

 

[Warshawski]

As would making the duxelles in one batch for all the lunches. Absolutely impossible to make it all in one batch, but only the guests portions contain the toxins.

It’s my belief that she will have sprinkled the Death Cap powder into the mushroom mixture of each of 5 of the Pies, leaving the remaining mushroom mixture free of toxins.

If my memory serves me correctly, Ian said they were ‘encased in pastry’.

I suggest she :

Made a big batch of the sautéed mushroom mixture, it takes a while to dry right down
Cut off a piece of the fillet steak to use for the next night’s dinner with the kids
Then seared the remaining piece of fillet
Cut the fillet into 6 slices
Maybe she pasted some mustard over the beef
Prepared 6 sheets of thawed puff pastry - sitting 1 sheet off to the side
The prep for 5 of them possibly involved a tablespoon or 2 of mushroom mixture in middle of each sheet of pastry
Sprinkle a liberal amount of powdered DC over each
Top mushrooms with fillet steak, then a tbsp of mushrooms, a good seasoning of DC
and top with a final tbsp of mushroom mixture.
Bring up the sides of the puff pastry & seal on top. Egg wash - and admire.

Finally prep # 6 sitting off to the side - same steps Except no DC seasoning (none left anyway)
And just to be doubly sure, I’d Mark the Top of this one

Then into the oven they go.

 

[Little Jack]

Maybe, but I don't think EP looks like she's in tip top shape and robust health either. I think Death Caps would have made her much worse than what we saw in that gas station clip.

I completely agree, and also that her children, being smaller, would likely have had worse effects.

But the defense has to try whatever they can

 

[MrJ]

But the defense has to try whatever they can

And if her defence team can instil reasonable doubt, all the better.
I don’t envy the jurors by the way. We the public only get so much information but they have it all to consider and make sense of.

 

[303gmf]

Yes, I think I posted it earlier as well (Post #76), plus another friend (or possibly the same friend) that said she had a collection or library of mushroom books.

Hadn’t Simon not lived with Erin for years?
Hard to believe he’d know her day to day interests

 

[Detechtive]

It’s my belief that she will have sprinkled the Death Cap powder into the mushroom mixture of each of 5 of the Pies, leaving the remaining mushroom mixture free of toxins.

If my memory serves me correctly, Ian said they were ‘encased in pastry’.

I suggest she :

Made a big batch of the sautéed mushroom mixture, it takes a while to dry right down
Cut off a piece of the fillet steak to use for the next night’s dinner with the kids
Then seared the remaining piece of fillet
Cut the fillet into 6 slices
Maybe she pasted some mustard over the beef
Prepared 6 sheets of thawed puff pastry - sitting 1 sheet off to the side
The prep for 5 of them possibly involved a tablespoon or 2 of mushroom mixture in middle of each sheet of pastry
Sprinkle a liberal amount of powdered DC over each
Top mushrooms with fillet steak, then a tbsp of mushrooms, a good seasoning of DC
and top with a final tbsp of mushroom mixture.
Bring up the sides of the puff pastry & seal on top. Egg wash - and admire.

Finally prep # 6 sitting off to the side - same steps Except no DC seasoning (none left anyway)
And just to be doubly sure, I’d Mark the Top of this one

Then into the oven they go.

I think this is very insightful. 100%

 

[Detechtive]

Hadn’t Simon not lived with Erin for years?
Hard to believe he’d know her day to day interests

At the time of the poisonings, he hadn't been with her in a defacto relationship for 7-8 years

 

[303gmf]

At the time of the poisonings, he hadn't been with her in a defacto relationship for 7-8 years

Plenty of time for new interests and hobbies ones prior “roommate” wouldn’t have a clue about

 

[Megnut]

It’s my belief that she will have sprinkled the Death Cap powder into the mushroom mixture of each of 5 of the Pies, leaving the remaining mushroom mixture free of toxins.

If my memory serves me correctly, Ian said they were ‘encased in pastry’.

I suggest she :

Made a big batch of the sautéed mushroom mixture, it takes a while to dry right down
Cut off a piece of the fillet steak to use for the next night’s dinner with the kids
Then seared the remaining piece of fillet
Cut the fillet into 6 slices
Maybe she pasted some mustard over the beef
Prepared 6 sheets of thawed puff pastry - sitting 1 sheet off to the side
The prep for 5 of them possibly involved a tablespoon or 2 of mushroom mixture in middle of each sheet of pastry
Sprinkle a liberal amount of powdered DC over each
Top mushrooms with fillet steak, then a tbsp of mushrooms, a good seasoning of DC
and top with a final tbsp of mushroom mixture.
Bring up the sides of the puff pastry & seal on top. Egg wash - and admire.

Finally prep # 6 sitting off to the side - same steps Except no DC seasoning (none left anyway)
And just to be doubly sure, I’d Mark the Top of this one

Then into the oven they go.

With one addition --

Perhaps Erin's individual BW was prepared separately and she ate hers cold. Maybe that's what she didn't want anyone to see in her pantry. Her BW on an orange plate, sitting on a shelf.

She didn't finish hers, perhaps it wasn't so tasty at room temperature. Ironic if she gave herself an actual touch of real food poisoning...

JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Following a mid-morning break on Monday, moments after the jury was brought into the court room, a protester stood up in the public gallery and addressed Justice Christopher Beale.

"How can you be a judge?" the man, wearing a yellow T-shirt with "all we are saying is give truth a chance" written on it, said.

He made a number of allegations against the judge before he was quickly escorted out of the court, in Morwell, regional Victoria.

The trial resumed shortly after, with Victoria Police forensics officer Shamen Fox-Henry cross-examined by defence.

In his fourth day on the witness stand, Fox-Henry was questioned about his training in software used to analyse devices seized from Patterson's home.

Fox-Henry previously told the jury he used a program called Magnet Axiom to examine a Cooler Master PC seized from Patterson's property during a police search on August 5, 2023.

'Truth' protester interrupts mushroom murder trial

Protestor makes a number of allegations about the judge before he was promptly escorted out of the court.

www.1news.co.nz

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Perhaps he was trying to protect Erin, by saying she didnt forage?

Or, Simon has memory issues resulting from his mystery illnesses and long coma (possible Erin’s earlier poisoning attempts)

 

[Monstradamus]

It’s my belief that she will have sprinkled the Death Cap powder into the mushroom mixture of each of 5 of the Pies, leaving the remaining mushroom mixture free of toxins.

If my memory serves me correctly, Ian said they were ‘encased in pastry’.

I suggest she :

Made a big batch of the sautéed mushroom mixture, it takes a while to dry right down
Cut off a piece of the fillet steak to use for the next night’s dinner with the kids
Then seared the remaining piece of fillet
Cut the fillet into 6 slices
Maybe she pasted some mustard over the beef
Prepared 6 sheets of thawed puff pastry - sitting 1 sheet off to the side
The prep for 5 of them possibly involved a tablespoon or 2 of mushroom mixture in middle of each sheet of pastry
Sprinkle a liberal amount of powdered DC over each
Top mushrooms with fillet steak, then a tbsp of mushrooms, a good seasoning of DC
and top with a final tbsp of mushroom mixture.
Bring up the sides of the puff pastry & seal on top. Egg wash - and admire.

Finally prep # 6 sitting off to the side - same steps Except no DC seasoning (none left anyway)
And just to be doubly sure, I’d Mark the Top of this one

Then into the oven they go.

It’s my belief that she will have sprinkled the Death Cap powder into the mushroom mixture of each of 5 of the Pies, leaving the remaining mushroom mixture free of toxins.

If my memory serves me correctly, Ian said they were ‘encased in pastry’.

I suggest she :

Made a big batch of the sautéed mushroom mixture, it takes a while to dry right down
Cut off a piece of the fillet steak to use for the next night’s dinner with the kids
Then seared the remaining piece of fillet
Cut the fillet into 6 slices
Maybe she pasted some mustard over the beef
Prepared 6 sheets of thawed puff pastry - sitting 1 sheet off to the side
The prep for 5 of them possibly involved a tablespoon or 2 of mushroom mixture in middle of each sheet of pastry
Sprinkle a liberal amount of powdered DC over each
Top mushrooms with fillet steak, then a tbsp of mushrooms, a good seasoning of DC
and top with a final tbsp of mushroom mixture.
Bring up the sides of the puff pastry & seal on top. Egg wash - and admire.

Finally prep # 6 sitting off to the side - same steps Except no DC seasoning (none left anyway)
And just to be doubly sure, I’d Mark the Top of this one

Then into the oven they go.

If I were her, I'd cook them in a separate batch to mine and set aside, just in case there's cross contamination or leakage.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Here are five things we heard:

1. 1.The autopsies on Don Patterson, Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson revealed they all had extensive liver damage and multi-organ failure, consistent with death cap poisoning. Dr Brian Beer described Heather Wilkinson as having necrosis of the liver, saying all her liver cells had died. He said Don Patterson’s liver transplant had failed.
2. 2.In the case of Don Patterson, the amanita phalloides toxin was detected before he died and was listed among the causes of death.
3. 3.The Health Department’s Sally Ann Atkinson’s job was to respond to community outbreaks. She described mushroom poisoning as “quite unusual", adding it was her first case of amatoxin poisoning.
4. 4.Ms Atkinson says she immediately contacted her manager because of the seriousness of the situation, and the department’s Food Safety Unit because if there were poisonous mushrooms being sold, they needed to be pulled from supermarket shelves.
5. 5.Ms Atkinson had a series of text and phone conversations with Erin Patterson over the following days. She says some of the information Erin gave her changed, including first giving Ms Atkinson the impression that she may have used some of the dried mushrooms in an earlier dish to then saying that she hadn’t used them before making the beef Wellingtons, telling Ms Atkinson she had bought all the ingredients in one day to then saying she bought them over several days, and changing one of the suburbs where she may have shopped from Mount Waverley to Glen Waverley.

Erin Patterson wanted to make 'fancy' meal for lunch guests, trial told — as it happened

Erin Patterson's triple murder trial continues from Morwell. She is charged with murdering three relatives who ate a meal she prepared which contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the trial live.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Lisa4]

Erin referred to using the Recipe Tin recipe to her online friends.

Did she actually specifically refer to using the Recipe Tin BW recipe? I was unaware she had. I made the connection earlier that she very likely had the book, but if she actually referred to the BW recipe, it is even more suspicious. Because really, what was her reason for not following it to make the one complete BW? I cannot think of a single valid, innocent reason.