Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

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  • #701
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How much longer will the trial run?

By Joseph Dunstan

It's a difficult question to answer, because the circumstances of trials can change as they unfold.

But in a nutshell, the prosecution in this trial has finished presenting its evidence, which it will allege proves Erin Patterson is guilty of murder and attempted murder.

The defence is now presenting its evidence, starting with Ms Patterson's testimony which began yesterday.

Once that's finished, there'll be an opportunity for closing arguments before the judge gives final instructions to the jury.

The jury will then deliberate, before returning a verdict.
 
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Again respectfully, I think a lot of emphasis has been put on those comments. Her description of the group and their familiarity made it seem highly likely that she was just having a rant, something that a lot of people do over a drink with a friend that isn't then enshrined 'in ink' for all to see.
A "rant" that could have been a simmering rage for months.
 
  • #704
But alot of what Erin says can't be verified. Is it the truth or a story to explain away her actions??

I just can't get over her lying when asked by medical staff & the Public Health unit if she foraged mushrooms & she flat out refused to say she did, all the while 4 or her much loved relatives are dying a truly agonising death, that she could have maybe prevented. 3 died & 1 survived ( miraculously )

Instead she choose to deceive & cry foul that "nobody was telling me anything"
I am really interested to see what she says but plausibly she could claim that she didn't want to be blamed expecting them to recover and wanting to have a closer relationship with them without that colouring all their future interactions. If she didn't say anything and they recovered, no one would have ever known. Given that death caps were the problem, it makes it less likely that she expected a recovery unless she really didn't know they were death caps....
 
  • #705
Do we know if the defence will call any other witnesses?
 
  • #706
Again respectfully, I think a lot of emphasis has been put on those comments. Her description of the group and their familiarity made it seem highly likely that she was just having a rant, something that a lot of people do over a drink with a friend that isn't then enshrined 'in ink' for all to see.
I do see what you're saying. But it's probably the main thing the prosecution has that helps to show her state of mind prior to her giving her testimony. It's a pretty strong rant at best and at worst pretty combative and furious rage.
 
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Do we know if the defence will call any other witnesses?

You'd think they would call expert witnesses, but I am afraid that they probably couldn't find any who would rebut the mountain of evidence.
 
  • #709
I do see what you're saying. But it's probably the main thing the prosecution has that helps to show her state of mind prior to her giving her testimony. It's a pretty strong rant at best and at worst pretty combative and furious rage.
As someone who likes to throw expletives around quite freely, I do agree that when they are written they can be interpreted as being quite strong and that I refrain from their written use, much as I feel they can help to make a point more succinctly at times! So I don't read this the same way as someone else as I see it as Erin venting to her friends as though she is speaking to them (just as we are conversing in this manner because we don't get to talk face to face). This is a forum where language is used respectfully, I think Erin's group played it far more fast and loose.
 
  • #710
I do see what you're saying. But it's probably the main thing the prosecution has that helps to show her state of mind prior to her giving her testimony. It's a pretty strong rant at best and at worst pretty combative and furious rage.
Also all of that supposed rage had pretty much fizzled out over the next couple of months, long before the poisoning occurred as far as the evidence shows to date hadn't it...??
BTW bet you are all glad I'm not on the jury haha
 
  • #711
I am really interested to see what she says but plausibly she could claim that she didn't want to be blamed expecting them to recover and wanting to have a closer relationship with them without that colouring all their future interactions. If she didn't say anything and they recovered, no one would have ever known. Given that death caps were the problem, it makes it less likely that she expected a recovery unless she really didn't know they were death caps....
You don't have Dr's pleading for you to stay in hospital & pleading to bring your 2 kids in to be checked if they don't have very serious concerns ( including calling the cops on you )

Seriously, that doesn't send off huge alarm bells to you that the others at the same lunch must be seriously ill, being moved to major hospitals etc?? Gee I better tell them I foraged the mushrooms??

Erin is not stupid.
 
  • #712
Also all of that supposed rage had pretty much fizzled out over the next couple of months, long before the poisoning occurred as far as the evidence shows to date hadn't it...??
BTW bet you are all glad I'm not on the jury haha
To me it doesn't appear that it did. She kept it to herself. I think her alleged poisoning of them was a long-term plan.
 
  • #713
Also all of that supposed rage had pretty much fizzled out over the next couple of months, long before the poisoning occurred as far as the evidence shows to date hadn't it...??
BTW bet you are all glad I'm not on the jury haha
That's why I'm looking forward to read more of her evidence to find out a bit more of her thinking around the time of the lunch, where her emotions were at, etc.
 
  • #714
You don't have Dr's pleading for you to stay in hospital & pleading to bring your 2 kids in to be checked if they don't have very serious concerns ( including calling the cops on you )

Seriously, that doesn't send off huge alarm bells to you that the others at the same lunch must be seriously ill, being moved to major hospitals etc?? Gee I better tell them I foraged the mushrooms??

Erin is not stupid.
No she is not but she '"doesn't trust the hospital system" (justifiably in her mind from what she says) and she doesn't want to get in trouble. It is possible ignorance (thinking she'd made herself vomit and no mushrooms on kids' dinners made them safe) and self preservation from blame drove those behaviours...?
 
  • #715
42 minutes ago

'They tasted good and I didn't get sick': Erin on picking mushrooms
After Erin began noticing mushrooms, she said her interest grew.
She said she identified mushrooms growing in paddocks where she had animals at the Shellcot Rd property.
“There were field mushrooms and horse mushrooms in those paddocks,” she said, adding she did eventually consume them.
She said it took several months to get the point where she was confident to identify and eat them.
“When I got to a point where I was confident about what I thought that they were, I cut a bit off one of the mushrooms, fried it up with some butter, ate it, then saw what happened,” she said.
“What happened?” Mr Mandy asks.
“They tasted good and I didn’t get sick,” she replied.
After that, she said she began regularly picking the mushrooms and cooking them in meals, including those for her children.
“How did you put them in the children’s meals” Mr Mandy asks.
“I chopped them up, very, very small so they couldn’t pick them out,” she replies.

40 minutes ago

Prosecution makes an objection
Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC has raised an objection and the jury has exited the courtroom.
The court will resume sitting at 2.15pm.
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Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC has raised an objection. Picture: David Crosling

"She said it took several months to get the point where she was confident to identify and eat them."

So why didn't she do the same with the Death Caps? 🤔
 
  • #716
1.00pm

How COVID lockdown walks sparked Erin Patterson’s interest in wild mushrooms​

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Erin Patterson has now started talking about mushrooms: how she loved to eat them, cook with them, too.

Patterson told the jury she would use them in curries or pasta dishes, soups and spaghetti. There was something about exotic mushrooms that tasted “more interesting”, she told the jury, and they had more flavour.

Patterson is being questioned about her past use of mushrooms in cooking by her defence barrister, Colin Mandy, SC.

The jury is shown messages sent by Patterson to online friends about her “hiding mushrooms in everything” and images she sent the friends of a dehydrator with mushrooms on the trays.

Patterson told the court she had an interest in wild mushrooms since early 2020. “The first COVID lockdown, when you are allowed [outside] for an hour a day, I would force the children to go out and get away from their devices for an hour,” she said.

The family would go to the Korumburra Gardens or the Rail Trail, and that was where she first spotted wild mushrooms. “It would have been the end of March, early April,” she said.

She said she had always enjoyed eating mushrooms. “They taste good and are very healthy,” she said. “I’d buy all the different types that Woolies would sell.”

Patterson said she would also get different types of mushrooms from farmers’ markets and grocers in Melbourne, including Asian stores she would visit while staying in the city with the children during school holidays.

1.08pm

From garden fork to kitchen fork: How Erin Patterson’s fascination with mushrooms grew​

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Erin Patterson is continuing to tell the jury about her interest in mushrooms, which started with a love of their flavour and widened when she noticed wild mushrooms on the limited walks Victorians were allowed during COVID lockdown periods.

Patterson said mushrooms also grew at her former property in Korumburra, where she moved to in 2017 or 2018. She said she first noticed the mushrooms when her dog was eating them and picked them up to identify them and check if they were poisonous.

“As far as I could see, there were ones that were potentially edible, but there was one species that I was a bit worried about,” she said.

“There’s Facebook groups for mushroom lovers ... where people share what they found and talk about the identify. I scrolled a lot of them.”

Patterson said she was eventually confident the mushrooms growing in the paddocks of her three-acre property were field and horse mushrooms, so she cut a piece of one mushroom, friend it with butter and ate it.

“They tasted good and I didn’t get sick,” she said.

Patterson said that from then on, whenever she would see the same mushrooms growing in the paddocks, she would pick them and eat them.

“Sometimes [I would] put them in meals we all ate,” she said.

Patterson said she chopped mushrooms small so her children wouldn’t pick them.

1.12pm

Erin Patterson stands as the jury leaves for lunch​

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The accused woman stood as the jury left for the lunch break, tapping her right fingers on the bench as she waited for them to leave.

Seated at the bar table are Crown prosecutors Nanette Rogers, SC, and Sarah Lenthall. For the defence, are barristers Colin Mandy, SC, and Sophie Stafford.

On the walls above the jury is Indigenous artwork. The courtroom’s seats are full. In front of the legal teams, the bench is filled with folders of papers, laptops, books and notes.

We will return with more live updates after the lunch break. Follow our live updates.

"Patterson said mushrooms also grew at her former property in Korumburra, where she moved to in 2017 or 2018. She said she first noticed the mushrooms when her dog was eating them and picked them up to identify them and check if they were poisonous.

“As far as I could see, there were ones that were potentially edible, but there was one species that I was a bit worried about,” she said.

“There’s Facebook groups for mushroom lovers ... where people share what they found and talk about the identify. I scrolled a lot of them.”

Patterson said she was eventually confident the mushrooms growing in the paddocks of her three-acre property were field and horse mushrooms, so she cut a piece of one mushroom, friend it with butter and ate it."


It sounds as thought Erin did her research and was quite knowledgable with her knowledge on mushrooms... 🍄 🍄
 
  • #717
No she is not but she '"doesn't trust the hospital system" (justifiably in her mind from what she says) and she doesn't want to get in trouble. It is possible ignorance (thinking she'd made herself vomit and no mushrooms on kids' dinners made them safe) and self preservation from blame drove those behaviours...?
She doesn't need to trust the hospital system to simply tell them the truth.
 
  • #718
Interesting that she has such an aversion to the medical profession, but was looking to commence studies in Bachelor of Science, Midwifery... which is a medical profession requiring the employed midwife to remain in hospital (except perhaps for lunch breaks).

We don't actually know if she intended to put those studies into practice. She seemed to be a professional student imo
 
  • #719
We're probably not going to see any further evidence today at least. Disappointing.
 
  • #720
OH MY! I think that the 'eating disorder' narrative might be included so that Erin can claim she vomited up her Beef Wellington?
You could well be right there... 😐
 
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