Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*

[brisbanemum]

RSBM
This saying "Incorrect" really riles me. It sounds so arrogant. Does she ever say "No I didnt" or "No, that's not true!"

I suspect she might be saying it because of semantics. “No” is a flat out denial that could be refuted by evidence, whereas “incorrect” might imply partially wrong, or the wrong understanding of her meaning

 

[Old Soul]

What's the best podcast covering this trial? I think I prefer the ABC one, but there are a few others too.

I thoroughly enjoy The Trial of Erin Patterson by the Daily Mail. I believe the true crime reporting by the Daily Mail is of a more credible calibre than the salacious celebrity trash they are associated with.

The thing I enjoy most about this podcast is the tone of the voice actor that speaks Erin’s words and texts.
I’m not sure if it is intentional, but the actor uses a particularly irritating and condescending inflection in her answers that I privately like to imagine is just like Erin’s real voice

 

[Scooby-Doo]

The ridiculous part is that she secretly put dehydrated mushrooms into her children's brownies and muffins, and she said they had no idea!!

Patterson claimed she did this because her daughter said that she didn't like mushrooms.

But then she said she scraped the mushrooms off the leftover beef Wellington for the kids, because they hate mushrooms, so they wouldn't eat them..!


She is all over the place..!!
Next week will be fiery, heading towards the end of the trial

 

[Old Soul]

I suspect she might be saying it because of semantics. “No” is a flat out denial that could be refuted by evidence, whereas “incorrect” might imply partially wrong, or the wrong understanding of her meaning

I totally agree, maybe she should say, “that is Err-oneous”

 

[Bats]

There are some people who can't comprehend how someone would do this and iy is difficult to comprehend. They themselves wouldn't do it, so they automatically think that the accused is innocent. They need to remember that anyone who murders someone, especially (alleged) planned, premeditated murders like these, is wired differently to most of us. The have no empathy, remorse or shame. Their brain matter is different to ours.

I think @BreakingNews was referring to the ABC reporters on the podcast.

They are required to be unbiased which means they take the lawful and fair stance of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

 

[Megnut]

Yes, possibly Simon and his mother started to put two and two together. I am wondering if Simon suspected that Erin was responsible for his mystery illnesses in the past after eating her meals, or did he come to that conclusion after she killed his parents and aunt? Even though it was taken off the table, let's not forget that Erin was originally charged also with attempting to murder Simon on not one, but three occasions. Anyone who thinks that this is just a coincidence is very naive. Erin is a serial offender IMO. This wasn't her first rodeo...

Honest question:

We know there's anorexia. We know there's bulimia. Is there an actual, recognized eating disorder for people who (need to) control what other people eat?

We know about parents who withhold food from, say, one child or captors who torment with food, but twice now, it's been reported that Erin said she was embarrassed that she control her weight and that she couldn't control what she ate.

So did she take to controlling what other people ate? Mushrooms in her kids brownies, I mean, what the what.

Did she play a role in her daughter's tummy trouble? So she could be the nurse?

Munchausen by duxelle.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

The ridiculous part is that she secretly put dehydrated mushrooms into her children's brownies and muffins, and she said they had no idea!!

Patterson claimed she did this because her daughter said that she didn't like mushrooms.

But then she said she scraped the mushrooms off the leftover beef Wellington for the kids, because they hate mushrooms, so they wouldn't eat them..!


She is all over the place..!!
Next week will be fiery, heading towards the end of the trial

Yes, you need to be consistent when you lie. She's lying so much that she is forgetting what she said.

 

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[Old Soul]

Yes, you need to be consistent when you lie. She's lying so much that she is forgetting what she said.

Yep, and the more she begins to contradict her own evidence-in-chief, the more the cross examination will feel like shooting fish in a barrel for Dr Nanette Rogers. IMO

 

[MrJ]

Even the blurb mentions EP using ‘lies and exaggeration in the past’. Another headline on another part of the site had the quote ‘That’s not true’ in the headline. If she doesn’t want to be thought of as a liar, it’s not working!

 

[Megnut]

I've been trying to work this out in my head.

Are death cap mushrooms pungent?

Did someone know that and research similarly pungent mushrooms, of the nontoxic variety, in order to practice, experimenting with amounts which could be successfully disguised, with her children as the guinea pigs in her blind tests?

Can you buy non-toxic, nose-toxic stinkweed mushroom powder off the Internets? Decidedly not an Asian market, certainly not a recent trip to an actual store, but maybe a premeditated online purchase to practice putting mushroom powder where it doesn't belong?

Jmo

 

[brisbanemum]

That's a good point. Erin is implying that her bulimic self waited until the guests had left, ate three quarters of a cake, and then threw everything (including the half BW she reported eating) back up.
I'm certain that if her BW contained powdered deathcaps, those toxins would have been readily absorbed in that timeframe, and she would have shown signs of liver damage just like Gail did.

Of course, I don't think she threw up at all. Not even once. If she had, she would have happily reported that along with the terrible diarrhoea that she clearly didn't have.

And she would have made herself vomit at the hospital to display her symptoms. Should have been quite good at self induced vomiting as a bulimic right? Why didn’t she throw up there? Along with her “diarrhoea” MOO

 

[katydid23]

I've been trying to work this out in my head.

Are death cap mushrooms pungent?

Google says yes:

Dehydrated Death Cap mushrooms (Amanita phalloides)
develop a strong and unpleasant odor, especially as they dry.
While fresh Death Caps may have a faint, honey-sweet smell, this odor intensifies over time and becomes foul and objectionable upon drying. One description mentions the smell as "sickly sweet and rancid when old", while another notes it becomes "overpowering" and "sickly-sweet and objectionable" with age.
Important Note: Even with their strong odor when dried, Death Cap mushrooms are extremely poisonous. Their toxins, called amatoxins, are not destroyed by cooking, freezing, or drying. Never handle or consume Death Cap mushrooms, and contact a poison control center immediately if you suspect someone has ingested them.

Did someone know that and research similarly pungent mushrooms, of the nontoxic variety, in order to practice, experimenting with amounts which could be successfully disguised, with her children as the guinea pigs in her blind tests?

Can you buy non-toxic, nose-toxic stinkweed mushroom powder off the Internets? Decidedly not an Asian market, certainly not a recent trip to an actual store, but maybe a premeditated online purchase to practice putting mushroom powder where it doesn't belong?

Jmo

I think she needed to choose a very strongly spicy recipe to overcome the smell and taste of the DCs. BW has mustard, garlic, onions and other spices to help deflect.

 

[Megnut]

Google says yes:

Dehydrated Death Cap mushrooms (Amanita phalloides)
develop a strong and unpleasant odor, especially as they dry.
While fresh Death Caps may have a faint, honey-sweet smell, this odor intensifies over time and becomes foul and objectionable upon drying. One description mentions the smell as "sickly sweet and rancid when old", while another notes it becomes "overpowering" and "sickly-sweet and objectionable" with age.
Important Note: Even with their strong odor when dried, Death Cap mushrooms are extremely poisonous. Their toxins, called amatoxins, are not destroyed by cooking, freezing, or drying. Never handle or consume Death Cap mushrooms, and contact a poison control center immediately if you suspect someone has ingested them.


I think she needed to choose a very strongly spicy recipe to overcome the smell and taste of the DCs. BW has mustard, garlic, onions and other spices to help deflect.

Yes but she was also practicing on her children. And IMO it wasn't to sneak in nutrition nor acclimate them to mushrooms. Why bother hiding store-bought mushrooms? What would be the point????

I theorize that she was working out how to hide pungent/repugnant mushrooms. But you're right, a carbonara would never do. She needed a recipe with strong competing aromas/flavors already.

JMO

 

[Detechtive]

Yes but she was also practicing on her children. And IMO it wasn't to sneak in nutrition nor acclimate them to mushrooms. Why bother hiding store-bought mushrooms? What would be the point????

I theorize that she was working out how to hide pungent/repugnant mushrooms. But you're right, a carbonara would never do. She needed a recipe with strong competing aromas/flavors already.

JMO

Apparently dried death caps smell like ammonia / cat urine.

 

[LinasK]

Honest question:

We know there's anorexia. We know there's bulimia. Is there an actual, recognized eating disorder for people who (need to) control what other people eat?

We know about parents who withhold food from, say, one child or captors who torment with food, but twice now, it's been reported that Erin said she was embarrassed that she control her weight and that she couldn't control what she ate.

So did she take to controlling what other people ate? Mushrooms in her kids brownies, I mean, what the what.

Did she play a role in her daughter's tummy trouble? So she could be the nurse?

Munchausen by duxelle.

JMO

Bingo!!! That's why Death Cap mushrooms were her perfect alleged weapon of choice. Food that she believed couldn't be detected, yet she controlled and lured her victims into coming over and eating.

 

[LinasK]

Yep, and the more she begins to contradict her own evidence-in-chief, the more the cross examination will feel like shooting fish in a barrel for Dr Nanette Rogers. IMO

All the prosecutor needs to do now is to get Erin to flash some anger on the stand. Her real personality is shining through. She's not the sweet, innocent DIL/wife/mother that she makes herself out to be.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

She fed BW leftovers to her kids the following day... She threw out Simons complete portion of BW...
What leftovers did she feed her kids? Her part eaten portion? Why did she keep that, yet bin an untouched portion?
The logic isn't logic-ing.

 

[SouthAussie]

All the prosecutor needs to do now is to get Erin to flash some anger on the stand. Her real personality is shining through. She's not the sweet, innocent DIL/wife/mother that she makes herself out to be.

I notice this particularly with her communication style. It is no wonder that she and Simon "couldn't communicate" and that led to the downfall of their marriage - according to her.

imo