Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 363451]

Didn’t she say it took her TWO weeks to clean Simon’s house -

Maybe she is a very slow cleaner
Or
His house is ginormous
Or
Maybe his house was needing a good clean because he was unexpectedly in a coma.
Or
She’s just exaggerating

From my experience there's not many men living on their own who keep a house clean to a woman's standards, although I've known some that are the opposite and they usually have OCD.

 

[Lisa4]

My opinion is Erin finds fault in everyone

Everyone else, I think you meant!

 

[Deleted member 363451]

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I'm just thinking out loud really, I don't think for one second they'd actually ban foraging.

As a non-mushroom-picker, it seems odd to me that you could pick wild mushrooms, cause the deaths of people and not face any consequences (like has been implied here). Especially as it is known that people can die if the wrong mushrooms are picked.

I was also affected by the expert witness who said until quite recently official guidance was not to forage at all. When there are risks involved to that level, why is there not a high burden placed on the picker?

I genuinely can't think of another example like this, where you can do something that is a known potentially lethal risk, without other people knowing, and not face a consequence. Think of something like driving, where you could innocently cause death. You have to actually pass a test to prove your competence and people in some way share the risk by choosing to get in the car.

Most things are banned in Victoria, the nanny state, so I guess we may as well add foraging mushrooms to the list...

 

[MsMarple]

Will the defense provide any medical evidence that the accused has a history of bulimia? I understand they don’t have to but how else will the jury know if she’s telling a fib?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Before the trial broke for the weekend, Rogers referred to the screenshots to suggest to Patterson she "had an interest" in death cap mushrooms in May 2022.
"It depends what you mean by an interest," Patterson responded.

Mushroom cook denies faking poison symptoms from deadly lunch

www.9news.com.au

 

[MsMarple]

Before the trial broke for the weekend, Rogers referred to the screenshots to suggest to Patterson she "had an interest" in death cap mushrooms in May 2022.
"It depends what you mean by an interest," Patterson responded.

Mushroom cook denies faking poison symptoms from deadly lunch

www.9news.com.au

Of all the gall. The accused is fighting for her life but she just can’t resist giving snippy answers. This isn’t a game, people died, a person lived after suffering horrible pain and the loss of his wife. We haven’t seen any remorse or even sympathy on her part except for herself.

 

[Jake18]

[bbm]

In messages exchanged shortly after her mother Heather Scutter died, Patterson opened up about her childhood, including how she and her sister were treated, likening it to a Russian orphanage.

Patterson described her mother as a “cold robot”, writing that “my mum was ultra weird her whole life”.

“We had a horrible upbringing. Mum was essentially a cold robot. It was like being brought up in a Russian orphanage where they don’t touch babies.”

Putting my amateur psychologist hat on, these are conditions known to produce personalities on the narcissism scale.

Texts reveal accused killer mushroom chef's 'horrible' upbringing, new details of past

Fresh details emerge of Erin Patterson's childhood.

www.nzherald.co.nz

The description also reminded me of the now discredited theory of how boys developed autism - that their mothers were “refrigerator mothers” with no maternal warmth. That was before it was realised that girls and women could also have autism. The descriptions were more likely of unsupported women on the autism spectrum having children who were also on the autism spectrum.

 

[SouthAussie]

In messages exchanged shortly after her mother Heather Scutter died, Patterson opened up about her childhood, including how she and her sister were treated, likening it to a Russian orphanage.

Patterson described her mother as a “cold robot”, writing that “my mum was ultra weird her whole life”.

“We had a horrible upbringing. Mum was essentially a cold robot. It was like being brought up in a Russian orphanage where they don’t touch babies.”

Right. Erin's mother was a children's literature professor at Melbourne University. She also wrote a book (Displaced Fictions).

Her mother may have been an academic, but I would say her vocation showed her concern and care for young people. imo


Heather Scutter stresses the importance of educating critical readers, alert to the ways in which ideas and values are constructed.
In Displaced Fictions she offers new, challenging and iconoclastic analysis of contemporary Australian books for teenagers and young adults.
The issues she explores include the new realism, political correctness, censorship, the canon of award winners, and the growth of an entrepreneurial market. Link

Ms Patterson's mother, noted children's literature professor, Dr Heather Scutter .... Link

 

[MrJ]

Good news! The ABC News live blog is up and can be seen here:

Prosecution quizzes Erin Patterson on days after deadly mushroom lunch — as it happened

Erin Patterson gave evidence for a sixth day as her triple murder trial resumed in Morwell. Follow the court proceedings as they happened

www.abc.net.au

 

[mamamama9873]

Of all the gall. The accused is fighting for her life but she just can’t resist giving snippy answers. This isn’t a game, people died, a person lived after suffering horrible pain and the loss of his wife. We haven’t seen any remorse or even sympathy on her part except for herself.

Totally agree! Let’s assume innocence for a moment - Erin still directly caused the death of 3 people and severe illness to another. Why is she not remorseful!

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
Morning from Morwell

By Joseph Dunstan

I'm in the media overflow room today, watching Erin Patterson give evidence on a large screen.

Ms Patterson is wearing a dark-coloured paisley top, sitting in the witness box she has occupied for the past few days of the weeks-long trial.

 

[MrJ]

BBM

Just now
Medical appointment queried

By Joseph Dunstan

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC picks up her cross-examination right where she left off.

On Friday, Erin Patterson told the court she had had an appointment booked in at an "Enrich" clinic in Melbourne in early September, 2023.

The court hears the appointment was later cancelled.

"The Enrich clinic does not offer gastric-bypass surgery or gastric-sleeve surgery. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks Erin.

"I don't know," Ms Patterson replies. She says she's "puzzled" because she recalls having an appointment with them for gastric-bypass surgery.

"It would have been related to weight-loss surgery, perhaps it was a different procedure I was doing with them ... I was looking into liposuction as well," Ms Patterson says.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that she lied to the court when she said she had an appointment at the clinic for gastric-band surgery.

"Not, it wasn't a lie, that's what my memory was," Ms Patterson says.

I can't believe she mentioned liposuction when that wasn't even mentioned in her defence testimony.

 

[MsMarple]

Australia mushroom trial live: cross-examination of Erin Patterson to continue on day 29 of her triple-murder trial

Victorian woman, 50, has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder following a fatal beef wellington lunch in Leongatha in 2023. Follow live

www.theguardian.com

 

[lazymaiden07]

Totally agree! Let’s assume innocence for a moment - Erin still directly caused the death of 3 people and severe illness to another. Why is she not remorseful!

I'm really surprised her legal team haven't counselled her on these smarmy, arrogant responses? As you said, regardless of guilt or innocence, she has conceded the meal she prepared contained DC, which caused the death/serious illness of four family members. To wilfully respond to questions in this way is staggering to me?

 

[L_B]

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[Observe_dont_Absorb]

With all due respect, they are called Death Caps, not A Little Bit Sick Caps.
Death Caps are rather aptly named, because eating them makes people dead.

Erin collected enough Death Caps to kill ten adults.
Perhaps you can't believe that she intended her guests to die, but it doesn't make it any less likely.

But okay, let's ignore all of that, and assume that your scenario of using Death Caps to make her guests sick without dying had actually worked. How do you think Erin was expecting to nurse five guests with liver failure back to good health, exactly?

I think she definitely wanted to finish off SP once and for all. Then maybe have the remaining family slowly becoming more mysteriously unwell over time.

I don't think she was going to nurse them to good health, that would be crazy unrealistic. Just to reassure herself they will die over the next few months or years of mystery ailments, whilst she could fuss and control them and ingratiate herself with them.

If SP was out of the way, her kids would be looking at inheritances too no doubt.

There's no part of me that believes EP thought hey ho, I'll just kill five people today and nobody will suspect me whatsover, that's my plan and even if they do they can't prove it. She was working to a different outcome, I'm sure of it.

She could of course be completely away with the fairies and have been profoundly unwell and nonsensical.
JMO MOO

 

[MsMarple]

BBM

Just now
Medical appointment queried

By Joseph Dunstan

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC picks up her cross-examination right where she left off.

On Friday, Erin Patterson told the court she had had an appointment booked in at an "Enrich" clinic in Melbourne in early September, 2023.

The court hears the appointment was later cancelled.

"The Enrich clinic does not offer gastric-bypass surgery or gastric-sleeve surgery. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks Erin.

"I don't know," Ms Patterson replies. She says she's "puzzled" because she recalls having an appointment with them for gastric-bypass surgery.

"It would have been related to weight-loss surgery, perhaps it was a different procedure I was doing with them ... I was looking into liposuction as well," Ms Patterson says.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that she lied to the court when she said she had an appointment at the clinic for gastric-band surgery.

"Not, it wasn't a lie, that's what my memory was," Ms Patterson says.

I can't believe she mentioned liposuction when that wasn't even mentioned in her defence testimony.

Say what? Is it only me who’s suspicious about her “answer for everything” tailoring her answers to fit the facts? I’m shocked that the accused believes she’ll be believed.

 

[L_B]

To get a gastric bypass, you would need a referral from your GP (general practitioner, aka normal doctor) to see a bariatric surgeon...

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
Prosecution questions Erin Patterson about death cap mushroom web posts

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then returns to visits to the iNaturalist web page made in May 2022 from a computer later seized by police from Erin Patterson's Leongatha home.

Last week, Ms Patterson told the court she couldn't recall if she'd made the search, but remembers wanting to know if death cap mushrooms grew in Gippsland.

"If we accept that it's you who was on the iNaturalist web page or website [on this date] ... you looked at a post relating to observations of death cap mushrooms ... in Moorabbin," Dr Rogers says.

There's some back-and-forth as Ms Patterson asks to be taken to the specific record of the website visit logged in forensic analysis of the computer.

"I suggest that you had an interest in death cap mushrooms generally, which was not limited to whether or not they grew in Gippsland," Dr Rogers says.

"Incorrect," Erin replies.

 

[lazymaiden07]

Say what? Is it only me who’s suspicious about her “answer for everything” tailoring her answers to fit the facts? I’m shocked that the accused believes she’ll be believed.

Is she taking the p***??? Maybe it was gastric band surgery, or it could have been liposuction? Hey, maybe it was for macular degeneration....no wait, wait, it was my dodgy elbow that was playing up again. Who forgets what type of surgery they are scheduled in for? This is getting ridiculous.