Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

Medical appointment queried​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC picks up her cross-examination right where she left off.

On Friday, Erin Patterson told the court she had had an appointment booked in at an "Enrich" clinic in Melbourne in early September, 2023.

The court hears the appointment was later cancelled.

"The Enrich clinic does not offer gastric-bypass surgery or gastric-sleeve surgery. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks Erin.

"I don't know," Ms Patterson replies. She says she's "puzzled" because she recalls having an appointment with them for gastric-bypass surgery.

"It would have been related to weight-loss surgery, perhaps it was a different procedure I was doing with them ... I was looking into liposuction as well," Ms Patterson says.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that she lied to the court when she said she had an appointment at the clinic for gastric-band surgery.

"Not, it wasn't a lie, that's what my memory was," Ms Patterson says.

"No, it wasn't a lie, that's what my memory was," Ms Patterson says.

I hope she keeps saying that because now we know we cannot trust her 'memories' because she either does not remember anything OR she remembers incorrectly. IMO

Her evidence was that 'she had an appointment set for September for Bariatric Surgery', in a health clinic that does not do that type of surgery.

And she says it was not a lie, because it was her memory.


[Just like she says this is not an eyeroll emoji...]

 

[Jess D]

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1m ago
Prosecutor accuses Erin Patterson of lying
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By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then moves to the topic of what Erin Patterson told people about her consumption of beef Wellington in the days after the lunch.

"I don't agree that I ever said I only ate half," Ms Patterson says, later adding: "I didn't have a tape measure."

Dr Rogers puts to Erin Patterson that she's lying to the jury about vomiting after the lunch in a bid to downplay how much food she ate.

"I wish that was true, but it's not," Ms Patterson says.

BBM

Oh to be in the courtroom...

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin claims doctor didn't asked where she purchased mushrooms

By Joseph Dunstan

A little after 8am on the Monday, the court hears Erin Patterson arrived at Leongatha's urgent care centre and reported her gastro symptoms to the doctor.

The doctor, Chris Webster, has previously told the court when Ms Patterson told her his name, he brought her into the urgent care department.

"Did he indicate at that point whether or not he recognised you as being the chef of the lunch on the 29th?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Yeah, he did," Erin replies.

Dr Webster previously told the court that he told Ms Patterson there was a concern about death cap mushroom poisoning and he asked her where she got the mushrooms.

But Ms Patterson says she doesn't think he asked her where she got the mushrooms.

"That's not my memory, no," Erin says.

"So your evidence is that you did not reply 'Woolworths' to his question, 'Where did you get the mushrooms?'" Dr Rogers asks.

Erin says her memory is that that wasn't the question from Dr Webster.

bbm

 

[MrJ]

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Erin tells doctor ingredients came from Woolworths
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By Joseph Dunstan

"My memory of that conversation is different," Erin Patterson continues.

"What I remember is when I told him my name, he immediately communicated that that meant something to him, like he recognised who Erin Patterson is.

"And he brought me through the doors and I remember him saying something to me like, 'were you the chef or were you the host' and ... I remember him saying to me, 'did you make the beef Wellingtons or buy them pre-made?' and that's stuck in my memory because I didn't know you could buy them pre-made."

Erin says after she told him she'd made the beef Wellingtons, he asked her where the ingredients were from and she said Woolworths.

 

[L_B]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin claims doctor didn't asked where she purchased mushrooms

By Joseph Dunstan

A little after 8am on the Monday, the court hears Erin Patterson arrived at Leongatha's urgent care centre and reported her gastro symptoms to the doctor.

The doctor, Chris Webster, has previously told the court when Ms Patterson told her his name, he brought her into the urgent care department.

"Did he indicate at that point whether or not he recognised you as being the chef of the lunch on the 29th?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Yeah, he did," Erin replies.

Dr Webster previously told the court that he told Ms Patterson there was a concern about death cap mushroom poisoning and he asked her where she got the mushrooms.

But Ms Patterson says she doesn't think he asked her where she got the mushrooms.

"That's not my memory, no," Erin says.

"So your evidence is that you did not reply 'Woolworths' to his question, 'Where did you get the mushrooms?'" Dr Rogers asks.

Erin says her memory is that that wasn't the question from Dr Webster.

bbm

She is being deliberately obtuse. So she said Woolworths, but not to the question "Where did you get the mushrooms?" What was he asking her then, do you prefer Coles or Woolies?!

 

[Detechtive]

Loose bowel movements are diarrhoea, Erin.
And this is an eye roll emoji

 

[Jess D]

2m ago
Questions about how much Gail Patterson ate
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By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then recaps that the court has previously heard another person at the lunch ate half their beef Wellington: Gail Patterson.

The court has heard Gail told multiple people, including medical staff, that she'd only eaten half of her portion of the beef Wellington.

But Erin agrees her evidence now is that Gail had eaten "quite a lot", but adds that "these are guesses".

"I suggest that you have told this jury that Gail ate quite a lot to try and explain away why she was so much sicker than you," Dr Rogers says.

Erin rejects the suggestion as incorrect.

So Erin makes a statement and then says that they are only guesses? The saying "Digging your own grave" comes to mind...

 

[MrJ]

Wow, throwing the doctor under the bus!

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1m ago
Erin claims doctor ignored her questions
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By Mikaela Ortolan

Erin Patterson says she then recalls asking the doctor some questions, but he walked away. His evidence was that she didn't ask him any questions.

"I asked him a question or two and he was very busy and walked off to do other things, left me with a nurse," she says.

"But I remember saying to him at the very least, 'why do you think we've eaten death cap mushroom?' and I remember him walking away. So whether he heard me or not, I don't know."

 

[L_B]

that's stuck in my memory because I didn't know you could buy them pre-made."

a quick google shows you can easily buy pre-made ones from butchers but that probably makes it harder to sprinkle death caps on

 

[katydid23]

Her son's a liar too! (According to her, that is.)

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Erin Patterson disagrees with son’s evidence about what she told him about being sick the next day

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then moves to the aftermath of the lunch and puts to Erin Patterson that she never told her son or daughter that she was sick on the Saturday.

She says she can't recall if she did or didn't tell either of them on the Saturday.

Dr Rogers then moves to evidence from Erin's son, who told the court that on the Sunday morning after the lunch, his mum was having coffee when he came downstairs. Erin says that's not true.

She's previously told the court she was drinking something like a lemon and ginger tea from a coffee mug.

But she disagrees with evidence from her son, who the court has previously heard recalled his mother telling him they couldn't go to church that morning. "Disagree," Erin says.

"My memory of that conversation is very different. Would you like to hear it?" Erin asks. Dr Rogers replies she would.

Ms Patterson says she got up and checked on her son's bedroom, but he was already downstairs lying on the couch, and he told her he had a "sore tummy" and asked if they could skip church.

“I suggest that that’s a lie,” Dr Rogers said.

“It’s not,” Ms Patterson replied.

Ok, so if her son had a 'sore tummy' and she had an 'unwell night' and Simon called that morning to say his parents were in the hospital with 'sore tummies' ----why didn't she take herself and the kids in for an exam?

Instead she goes on a road trip, buys them fast food from petrol station and then serves the leftovers ? After she, her son and her in-laws are all feeling sick?


Also:
"Dr Rogers then moves to evidence from Erin's son, who told the court that on the Sunday morning after the lunch, his mum was having coffee when he came downstairs. Erin says that's not true.

She's previously told the court she was drinking something like a lemon and ginger tea from a coffee mug."


A teenager walking into the kitchen in the morning knows if they smell coffee or lemon and ginger tea. I'm pretty sure he said coffee because he could smell it.

It's also weird that she says her son is mistaken about the 4 white plates. She now says 2 were black?

Calling her children's sworn testimony into question is coldherasted right now.

 

[LinasK]

I can answer the first.

Erin only received N-acetylcysteine which is precautionary for liver damage - also used with paracetamol overdose - but she didn’t receive medication specific for deathcap ingestion.

There was a delay in giving the other guests the more specific treatment - silibinin - because the chances of deathcap poisoning was thought to be low, to start with.

So that's why they gave her Fentanyl for the supposed headache because she'd already received Tylenol?

 

[Jess D]

Loose bowel movements are diarrhoea, Erin.
And this is an eye roll emoji

Simon deserves a medal!

 

[Detechtive]

So that's why they gave her Fentanyl for the supposed headache because she'd already received Tylenol?

I don’t think she had tylenol, and I don’t even think you can buy tylenol here. Do you mean paracetamol? I don’t think she had that, either. She had Imodium (which stops diahorrea) if you believe what Erin says, which I don’t. IMO

 

[L_B]

Why is every witness' testimony different to Erin's recollection....

Erin Patterson mushroom trial: Accused triple murderer faces Supreme Court hearing in Morwell

The mother-of-two is on the stand at her murder trial, accused of killing her three in-laws with poisonous death cap mushrooms.

7news.com.au

Patterson rejects doctor’s claims that she ‘did not ask any questions’ after death cap mushroom revelation​

Patterson is being questioned about her trip to Leongatha Hospital on 31 July.

The court has previously heard from Dr Christopher Webster that he was busy tending to Ian and Heather Wilkinson when Patterson arrived at the emergency room.

He told the court, that after realising Patterson was a fifth member of the lunch, he expressed to her that there was a concern about death cap mushrooms being in the meal.

Asked by Rogers if she remembered his evidence, Patterson said she did.

Rogers: “His evidence is that you did not ask him any questions after he told you there was a concern of death cap mushroom poisoning.

“Did he ask you where you got the mushrooms?”

Patterson: “He did not ask me where I got the mushrooms... Unless if he did the second time. But I do not remember him asking me then.”

Patterson said her recollection of her encounter with Dr Webster was different to his.

Patterson: “What I remember is, when I told him my name, he immediately communicated that that meant something - like he recognised who Erin Patterson is - and he brought me through the doors and asked me if I was the chef.

“I remember him saying to me ‘did you make the beef wellingtons or buy them pre-made’. That stuck with me because I didn’t know you could buy them pre-made.

“Then he said ‘where did you get the ingredients?” and I said Woolworths.”

Rogers put it to Patterson that Dr Webster said Patterson did not ask any questions.

Patterson said that was not the case.

Patterson: “I remember saying to him at the very least ‘why do you think we have eaten death cap mushrooms?’ but he walked away, so maybe he didn’t hear me.”

 

[MsMarple]

now03.43 BST
Erin Patterson denies she was drinking coffee two days after lunch

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC takes ErinPatterson to evidence her children gave about the Monday following the Saturday lunch.

Erin’s daughter recalled seeing her mother drinking coffee that morning, the court hears.

Erin says she was sitting at the dining table with a mug but it did not contain coffee.

Estranged husband Simon Patterson gave evidence that Erin called him that morning and said she still had diarrhoea every twenty minutes and asked him to drive her to the hospital.

“I don’t remember if I did that or not,” Erin says.

She says she cannot remember if she mentioned the frequency.

Erin agrees she asked Simon if he could drive her to the Leongatha hospital.

But she rejects she told him she could not drive because she was worried about soiling herself.
1m ago22.43 EDT
Court reminded of prior evidence that Erin Patterson didn’t use toilet in 90 minutes

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC takes Patterson to her son’s evidence that he did not see his mother use the toilet on the 90-minute one-way drive to his flying lesson in Tyabb on Sunday, 30 July 2023.

Patterson previously told the court that during this trip she went to the toilet in a bush on the side of the highway.

The flying lesson was cancelled due to poor weather, the court hears.

Patterson says on the way back her son bought her a coffee.

She says she had a “little” bit of the coffee.

 

[MrJ]

STOP IT WITH THE LIES!

Key Event
2m ago
Hospital phone calls returned, Erin says
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By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then moves to Erin Patterson's decision to discharge herself against medical advice from Leongatha Hospital.

The court has previously heard when Dr Webster learnt of this, he rang and left three voicemail messages on her phone because he was concerned for her welfare.

"I didn't answer his calls, but I did ring the hospital back a couple of times and couldn't get through to him ... I think twice," Erin says.

Ms Patterson rejects the suggestion that she deliberately chose not to answer Dr Webster's calls or respond to his voicemails.

"I did try to respond, twice," Ms Patterson says.

Dr Rogers asks when between leaving Leongatha Hospital about 8:10am and returning at 9:48am Ms Patterson tried to return the doctor's call.

She says she can't specify an exact time.

 

[Jake18]

So that's why they gave her Fentanyl for the supposed headache because she'd already received Tylenol?

No, sorry if that was confusing. It’s the same medication used with tylenol (paracetamol) overdose but it’s not specific for death caps, just liver injury.

They gave her fentanyl rather than simple analgesia like tylenol for her headache because tylenol/paracetamol could theoretically have made any liver issues worse and they didn’t know she hadn’t also consumed death caps.

Except her liver was fine

 

[browneyes]

Urghhhh this is getting ridiculous.

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Erin Patterson tells court she doesn't remember visiting the iNaturalist webite

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers summarises Ms Patterson's evidence from last week about whether a visit to the iNaturalist site on May 28, 2022 was the "first time" she had visited the site.

"I don't remember ever visiting iNaturalist," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest you were familiar with the iNaturalist website before this date, because you entered iNaturalist as the specific search term. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I would have to disagree," Ms Patterson says.

"Did you have an interest in death cap mushrooms on 28 May, 2022?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I have no idea," Ms Patterson says. "My only interest ever was to find out if they [were] in South Gippsland or not."

When asked if it was her who navigated the page that day, Ms Patterson replied: "Well somebody did. And that somebody could've been me."

Oh brother….

 

[katydid23]

Totally! She had years to prepare for her witness account but yet can’t even put together a believable and complete story regarding her alledged impending surgery.

How hard is it to find a place that actually does bariatric surgeries? If you are going to swear in court that you had an appointment for one, I mean.

 

[MsMarple]

Erin’s son didn’t notice her stopping the car and running off into the bush to poo? Is this another lie?