Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

I believe she described her own father as a “doormat”.

Interesting.
I can see a possible correlation between her father and Simon, and Erin and her mother. IMO

 

[MrJ]

I wonder what her defence said to her to prepare

 

[mamamama9873]

Bit hard to concoct a story in hindsight when you don't have clear evidence of GP visit/referral/surgeon appointment...

For sure. But at least pick a clinician that actually offers gastric bypass surgery.

 

[MsMarple]

Is this oppositional personality disorder or contrary personality disorder (not sure if this is even a disorder) because it seems like no matter what is said, she opposes it. It’s baffling to see.

I dunno, sounds like Pinocchio Syndrome to me…

(Sarcasm)

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Erin is just spinning a web of lies
And she's under rapid fire from Dr Rogers..!!

 

[Detechtive]

Poor Judge Beale decided he wanted to eat his morning tea before hearing about Erin’s diarrhoea, again.

 

[Lisa4]

"I think what she said and what I said are quite consistent," Ms Patterson says.

"I believe I would have told her about half".

"I don't agree that I ever said I only ate half," Ms Patterson says, later adding: "I didn't have a tape measure."

Wonder if this inconsistency will be raised later.

 

[Lisa4]

I wonder what her defence said to her to prepare

Maybe, Here Erin, wouldn't you like this giant gobstopper just before we go in?

 

[Little Jack]

Is this oppositional personality disorder or contrary personality disorder (not sure if this is even a disorder) because it seems like no matter what is said, she opposes it. It’s baffling to see.

Right, I mean wouldn't her sons version, that SHE was too sick for church, support her version ?? Why on earth would she deny it.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I wonder what her defence said to her to prepare

Do you need any toilet paper? Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy ride..!

 

[MrJ]

GET READY FOR THE BOWEL MOVEMENT QUESTIONS

Key Event
1m ago
Court resumes
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By Joseph Dunstan

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC is asking Erin Patterson about her car trip to Tyabb with her children the day after the lunch.

Dr Rogers says the court's previously heard that Erin's son told his mother she didn't have to take him to his flying lesson if she felt unwell, but she was keen to go.

"I was pretty keen to take him, yep," Erin says.

 

[L_B]

GET READY FOR THE BOWEL MOVEMENT QUESTIONS

Key Event
1m ago
Court resumes
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By Joseph Dunstan

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC is asking Erin Patterson about her car trip to Tyabb with her children the day after the lunch.

Dr Rogers says the court's previously heard that Erin's son told his mother she didn't have to take him to his flying lesson if she felt unwell, but she was keen to go.

"I was pretty keen to take him, yep," Erin says.

OK so if we go by her version, the SON WAS SAYING HE WAS SICK so why would you insist your UNWELL son go on multiple hour drive and flying lesson when he isn't feeling the best.

I mean she is also claiming she was unwell, so why subject two unwell people to that kind of outing...

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
Erin questioned about her conversation with Simon Patterson about being sick

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then shifts focus to phone conversations between Simon and Erin about her diarrhoea during the period after the lunch.

The prosecutor says Simon previously told the court Erin had told him she was experiencing diarrhoea as early as mid-afternoon Saturday. Erin can't recall saying that.

The prosecutor says Simon's evidence was that Erin had told him she'd felt unwell on the Saturday evening and had struggled to drop her son's friend back home.

'My memory was I'd had a few loose bowel movements before then, I wouldn't call it diarrhoea," Erin says.

Dr Rogers then asks if, in line with Simon's evidence, Erin had told Simon she was suffering from "frequent" diarrhoea perhaps every 20 minutes.

Erin says she "might have" described it that way "at its worst".

In response to a detailed line of questioning about the frequency and scope of diarrhoea she conveyed to Simon during that time, Erin says "it's very hard to dissect sentences up into tiny parts and then analyse them".

Dr Rogers then asks Ms Patterson if she agreed with Simon's evidence that during this time period she told him she would "poo my pants" while driving.

"I did not tell him I was afraid I'd poo my pants, no," she says.

 

[MrJ]

Who's actually believing this on the jury?

1m ago
Car drive to Tyabb

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecutor's line of questioning then returns to the car trip to Tyabb made by Erin and her children on Sunday for a planned flying lesson for Erin's son.

The court hears Erin's son told police that at no time on the trip did his mother need to go to the toilet.

Last week Ms Patterson told the court her diarrhoea had forced her to stop by the side of the highway and relieve herself in some bushes.

The court briefly focuses on the frustration Erin Patterson expressed to her son's flying instructor when the lesson was cancelled at the last minute after they'd travelled about an hour from Leongatha.

"Pretty sure I did complain, yes ... because I'd had a lot of problems with Tyabb over the months that [my son] was doing his flying lessons," Ms Patterson says.

On the way back, Ms Patterson says they stopped at Koo Wee Rup and her children got out of the car. She says her son bought her a coffee, which she drank a little of. She says she probably threw the rest out.

 

[katydid23]

Why does she wish it was true??

I think she's playing victim by saying " I WISH I was lying about eating all that cake and bringing it back up, but I'm not because I have Bulimia, and I can't control myself, my life is so hard...'

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Wonder if this inconsistency will be raised later.

There’s been a lot of debate around Erin Patterson’s claims during her testimony, especially regarding how many beef Wellingtons were made, eaten, discarded, and served as leftovers.

Let’s break it down logically with the numbers she’s given, and check if the maths holds up.

• Erin made 6 beef Wellingtons.
• She served 5 at the fatal lunch (for 4 guests and herself).
• The 6th Wellington was intended for her ex-husband Simon but he didn’t attend. She says this one was put in the fridge and later thrown out.
• Erin says she only ate half of her Wellington.
• She claims she served leftovers to her children the following day (amount unspecified).
• The guests reportedly all ate their meals completely, except for Gail who only ate half—her husband Don ate the rest.
• Police recovered 1.5 beef Wellingtons worth of leftovers, including pastry and mushroom fragments.

Person	Amount Eaten (Wellingtons)
Gail	0.5
Don	1.5 (his + Gail’s other half)
Heather	1.0
Ian	1.0
Erin (self)	0.5

Total consumed at lunch:
0.5(E) + 1.5(D) + 1.0(I) + 1.0(H) + 0.5(G) = 4.5 Wellingtons

Based on Erin’s statements:

• 1 whole Wellington (Simon’s) was discarded
• Erin ate half of hers, so 0.5 remained
• She claims to have served leftovers to her children the next day (no quantity specified)

Total Made (6) = Total Consumed (4.5) + Discarded (1) + Leftovers to Children (C)

6 = 4.5 + 1 + C
→ C = 0.5

So her story only checks out if she served exactly half a Wellington (her own half eaten leftovers) to her children the next day. There is no explanation as to why she retained that, and disposed of a full, untouched BW.

Leftover and Discarded Breakdown (according to Erin):

• 1.0 Wellington discarded (Simon's)
• 0.5 of Erin’s was left uneaten
• 0.5 served to her children the next day

Total unserved leftovers she accounts for: 1.0 Wellington

But police recovered 1.5 Wellingtons worth of leftovers.

That’s an extra 0.5 Wellington that doesn’t fit into Erin’s timeline.

This leftover discrepancy raises questions:

• If all guests ate their meals entirely (as claimed), where did the additional 0.5 Wellington come from?
• Did she eat less than she claimed?
  Did she serve something else to her children?

All of these possibilities carry weight, especially considering the recovered food contained death cap mushroom residue—and was allegedly served to her children.

For her version to work, the numbers must match exactly:

• 4.5 eaten at lunch
• 1.0 discarded (Full, untouched BW)
• 0.5 served to children (Her own, half eaten portion)

That adds up to 6.

But with 1.5 Wellingtons worth of leftovers recovered, there’s half a Wellington too many—and that means something doesn’t line up.

 

[MsMarple]

1m ago03.26 BST

Erin Patterson rejects estranged husband's evidence about 'poo my pants' statement​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC says ErinPatterson’s son gave evidence that he said they didn’t need to go to his scheduled flying lesson but his mother was keen to take him.

Patterson agrees that she was “pretty keen to take him.”

Rogers takes Patterson to a phone conversation she had with her estranged husband Simon Patterson on 30 July 2023 – the day after the lunch.

Rogers asks if Patterson told Simon she was having frequent diarrhoea, about every 20 minutes.

“I might have,” Patterson says.

Patterson rejects Simon’s evidence that she told him she had diarrhoea which began on the day of the lunch.

Rogers says Simon gave evidence that Patterson told him she was worried she would “poo my pants” while driving.

“I did not tell him I was afraid I would poo my pants, no” Patterson says.

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
Questioning turns to Erin Patterson's first presentation to hospital

By Joseph Dunstan

On the Monday morning after the Saturday lunch, the court has heard Erin's son recalled he came downstairs and his mother was drinking coffee at the dining table.

Ms Patterson says she wasn't drinking coffee from the mug.

Dr Rogers then walks through the following events, where the children were taken to the bus to go to school.

Ms Patterson says she did call Simon then and ask him to help drive her to Leongatha Hospital. But she disputes she told him she feared she would "poo my pants".

 

[Jess D]

Here we go! BBM

Just now
Erin Patterson questioned about being sick after her guests left
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By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then moves to another part of Ms Patterson's evidence, that she binge ate two-thirds of an orange cake and vomited shortly after the lunch guests had left.

"Your evidence ... is that sometime on that afternoon ... that you caused yourself to vomit, correct?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Correct," Erin replies.

"Is it your evidence that the vomit was partly constituted by the beef Wellington?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I have no idea what was in the vomit ... how could I? It's vomit. Unless you can see a bean or a piece of corn," Erin says.

"Well you didn't have corn at the lunch," Dr Rogers says.

"That was an example," Ms Patterson replies.

Erin Patterson is focused on the prosecutor during this fairly rapid line of questioning, blinking repeatedly.

Oh dear with the attitude..

 

[Detechtive]

The fact she can recall things she didn’t do but can’t recall things she did do. According to Erin, is a clear sign of deception IMO