Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[MsMarple]

Live: Erin Patterson faces questioning over deadly beef Wellington recipe

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson returns to the witness box for a seventh day of evidence. Follow live.

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Someone else will have to cover as I'll be busy at the start of proceedings

I gotchu.

 

[MsMarple]

Live: Erin Patterson faces questioning over deadly beef Wellington recipe

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson returns to the witness box for a seventh day of evidence. Follow live.

www.abc.net.au

Waiting for updates…

 

[MrJ]

I gotchu.

Legend, thank you!

I'll be back later.

Will Erin finally lunge at Dr Rogers? Will her pants burst into flames? Will she finally tell the truth? Tune in today!

 

[Detechtive]

Her alleged "panic" at disposing of the dehydrator doesn't fit the air traffic controller mentality. I think she probably calmly drove the kids to school (or to their drop off point to catch a school bus) and calmly took the dehydrator to the e-waste rubbish site. She calmly reset her phone, multiple times. She tried hard to mimic a less-poisoned person.

In other words, she was proactive with her solutions to her problems. She simply miscalculated what all of her problems might be.

I think the best example of her not panicking is when she went into her room in the presence of a lead homicide detective on this matter, and switched sim cards under the clever guise of talking to her lawyer for the entire period of time. That takes a calculated calm demeanour, and a lot of hubris.
IMO

 

[drsleuth]

Erin Patterson murder trial LIVE: Accused mushroom cook to return to the witness box for seventh day

Accused killer Erin Patterson is expected to return to the witness box during her murder trial. She has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder.

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10.23am

It’s a moody morning in Morwell as the fog rolls in​

As people started arriving at the court complex this morning, the temperature was hovering around 4 degrees after an overnight low of 2, and a thick fog had settled on the town. Age photographer Jason South captured some of those braving the foggy conditions before today’s court session started.

Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, cuts a solemn figure in the heavy fog and freezing temperatures. Credit: Jason South

The gloomy weather wasn’t enough to deter people from queuing outside the court for a seat in the public gallery.

Members of the public were hoping for a seat in the coutroom. Credit: Jason South

The sun is expected to break through the fog later today for a top of 15 degrees, but the outlook from the Latrobe Valley Law Courts was moody earlier this morning.

The Latrobe court complex was enveloped with fog. Credit: Jason South

 

[jesse]

I think she simply needed it to appear like she’d scraped the mushrooms and pastry from the “leftovers” she allegedly fed to the kids? When she actually just fed them another seperate piece of eye fillet she’d cooked in the pan? Or am I miscalculating eye fillet pieces here? all MOO

No, that makes sense, and yes, she definitely should have had leftover filets. It just means she had a lot of forethought in that way when she didn't in other ways. Anticipating police going through her bin, but in other ways she seemed not prepared to be caught. That was tripping me up a bit. But I suppose this was an easy enough thing for her to implement.

Two come to mind - Casey Anthony and Lizzie Borden were both acquitted of murder but to this day, most people believe that they actually committed the crimes they were charged with.

Don't forget OJ!

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
Just now
Hello from inside Courtroom 4

By Joseph Dunstan

Hello from the Latrobe Valley law courts in Morwell, where I'm seated inside Courtroom 4.

The accused, Erin Patterson, is back in the witness box, wearing a pink button-up shirt.

In a change to the past few days of Ms Patterson's evidence, the public gallery space is not packed to capacity today.

 

[MsMarple]

DBM duplicate

 

[SouthAussie]

Key Event
Just now
Hello from inside Courtroom 4

By Joseph Dunstan

Hello from the Latrobe Valley law courts in Morwell, where I'm seated inside Courtroom 4.

The accused, Erin Patterson, is back in the witness box, wearing a pink button-up shirt.

In a change to the past few days of Ms Patterson's evidence, the public gallery space is not packed to capacity today.

Lucky Joseph Dunstan. He got a courtroom seat for ABC News in today's ballot.

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
Just now
We're taken to conversations about the beef Wellington

By Joseph Dunstan

Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC picks up her cross-examination by asking Erin Patterson about messages sent to Facebook friends about preparing the beef Wellington lunch at the centre of the trial.

Dr Rogers summarises that friends previously told the court that Ms Patterson had sought tips on avoiding a soggy beef Wellington and the kind of cut of meat that she was planning to use.

The prosecutor suggests Ms Patterson's explanation of using individual eye fillets because she couldn't find a whole large eye fillet was not true.

"You chose, I suggest, individual portions of eye fillet because you wanted to serve individual portions of beef Wellington," Dr Rogers says.

"Incorrect," Ms Patterson responds.

 

[Gavel Rash]

Do hope Dr Rogers draws down of every instinct and psychological knowledge to phrase her questions more acutely and not leave inference for the same can’t remember rebuttal.
Perhaps she has a bunch of cards up her sleeve re precise images and or data that prove clear evidence as Erin’s sharp mind has ability to construct her answers to offer doubt.
A lot of witness statements, even from officials can also be construed to be adlibbed or wrongly interpreted post the events ie semantics of exact words used.

 

[Corina]

Do medical staff ever tape-record conversations, for their own records? or must they always ask the patient?

 

[drsleuth]

Do medical staff ever tape-record conversations, for their own records? or must they always ask the patient?

No , not even with a patients permission. But you can document very well what ever conversations you have , even verbatim

 

[lazymaiden07]

I’ve read many forums, spoken to people in the media room at the court just last night and also people who are in court over the past few days, and you are literally the only person who has expressed that she’s doing well with her testimony. It’s just that bad.

In fact, allegedly, in person it’s worse. There are no tears, she is very nice to the man swearing her in each day, and then suddenly takes a hostile defensive and deadpan cold demeanour towards Dr Rogers. One person described it like a split personality.

Never have I seen people so unanimous over a case. Even the people who previously thought she may be guilty but that there was reasonable doubt during her defence and who were heavily predicting a hung jury have flipped.

IMO only.

Fantastic insight here, especially the change in demeanour towards Dr Rogers.

 

[drsleuth]

Key Event
4m ago

Questions over the inclusion of death cap mushrooms in the meal​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Dr Rogers notes that Ms Patterson did not tell her friends about the inclusion of dried or foraged mushrooms in the meal.

"I didn't tell them everything I did with every meal that I prepared in my house," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest your only plan for the beef Wellington was to ensure that the death cap mushrooms were added, correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Incorrect," Ms Patterson replies.

Live: Erin Patterson faces questioning over deadly beef Wellington recipe

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson returns to the witness box for a seventh day of evidence. Follow live.

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[drsleuth]

13m ago10.39 AEST
Here’s a recap of what the jury heard on day 29 of Erin Patterson’s trial:

1. Under cross-examination, Patterson denied she was thinking of ways to cover her tracks after she discharged herself from Leongatha hospital against medical advice two days after the lunch.

2. Patterson disputed evidence by Ian Wilkinson, the sole lunch guest survivor, that she served the beef wellington for her guests on large grey plates and her own on a smaller orangey-tan coloured plate. Patterson said there was “no smaller plate”.

3. Patterson denied she made a sixth poisoned beef wellington for her estranged husband, Simon, in case he attended the lunch.

4. Patterson rejected the evidence of multiple witnesses including medical staff. This included disputing evidence by Leongtha hospital nurse Cindy Munro that Patterson said she did not want her children involved when staff said they needed to undergo medical testing.

5. Patterson recalled feeling “anxious” when medical staff at Leongatha hospital raised the possibility of death cap mushroom poisoning on 31 July 2023 – two days after the lunch. “I was anxious at the idea that we may have eaten those things [death caps],” she said.

5m ago10.47 AEST
The jurors have returned to the court room in Morwell.

Erin Patterson, seated in the witness box, is dressed in a pink shirt.

Australia mushroom trial live: Erin Patterson denies foraging death caps two hours before buying dehydrator

Victorian woman, 50, has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder after a fatal beef wellington lunch in Leongatha in 2023. Follow live

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[MsMarple]

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[drsleuth]

Key Event
2m ago

Prosecution examines excess mushrooms purchased ahead of the meal​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Dr Rogers now moves to the RecipeTin Eats method that Ms Patterson has told the court she followed.

The court is shown Nagi Maehashi's "Dinner" cookbook and the beef Wellington recipe on page 252.

The prosecutor again notes that Ms Patterson departed from the recipe by creating individual Wellingtons rather than a log — and again asserts this method was used to allow Ms Patterson to add death caps to the Wellingtons of her guests but not her own.

Ms Patterson says this is incorrect.

The questioning turns to the 1.75 kilograms of sliced button mushrooms that Ms Patterson purchased in the days leading up to the lunch.

Ms Patterson says she ate a kilo of the mushrooms.

"I suggest that that is an untruth," Dr Rogers says. Ms Patterson disagrees.

Dr Rogers notes the amount Ms Patterson bought in the lead-up to the lunch was significantly more than the recipe called for and there was "no need" to use other mushrooms.

Live: Erin Patterson faces questioning over deadly beef Wellington recipe

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson returns to the witness box for a seventh day of evidence. Follow live.

www.abc.net.au

 

[drsleuth]

10:54

Prosecution grills Patterson over 'plans' for beef Wellingtons​

Wednesday's court proceedings have begun with Crown prosector Dr Rogers (pictured) suggesting to Patterson she could've sourced a whole eye-fillet 'log' but didn't because she wanted to cook individual beef Wellingtons.
Patterson told the jury she asked her online Facebook friends including Jenny Hay for advice on how to cook the beef Wellington.
Patterson agreed she asked her friends how to stop the Wellington from going soggy.
She agreed Ms Hay advised her to wrap the beef in pastry as close to putting it in the oven.
Patterson said she used smaller cuts of eye-fillet because she couldn't source an entire log.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson could've sourced a whole eye-fillet log at several butchers or supermarkets in Korumburra and Leongatha.
Dr Rogers said Patterson didn't source a log because she wanted to make smaller individual Wellingtons.
Dr Rogers also asked Patterson about the mushrooms.
'I wasn't planning on using foraged mushrooms,' Patterson said.
'I didn't discuss all my cooking plans…’
'I suggest your only plan for the beef Wellingtons were that death cap mushrooms were included, correct or incorrect?' Dr Rogers asked.
'Incorrect,' Patterson replied.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

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[brisbanemum]

No, that makes sense, and yes, she definitely should have had leftover filets. It just means she had a lot of forethought in that way when she didn't in other ways. Anticipating police going through her bin, but in other ways she seemed not prepared to be caught. That was tripping me up a bit. But I suppose this was an easy enough thing for her to implement.

Don't forget

She has maintained from the beginning that the children are the leftovers and has never deviated from that. That seems to be an important part of the story for her. IMO (for this element of the story at least), yes she did plan ahead. Other areas it’s clear she didn’t anticipate events unfolding the way they did.

IMO the “children ate the leftovers” part of the story has always been her failsafe, if you will, to show that she can’t have poisoned anyone, it can’t have been the lunch she made, they all must have got gastro from somewhere else!! If I am willing to feed my children these leftovers, how could I have deliberately poisoned them? Etc etc

All MOO