Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[lazymaiden07]

Yes, things that wouldn't have mattered if she just told the truth and wouldn't have changed how anyone viewed her, like, she told someone that she was renting and was complaining about the cost of real estate and how it's unaffordable in Melbourne. This someone just so happened to be renting and unable to afford to purchase a house at the time.
But we now know that was not true. She owned two homes mortgage free at the time she was saying this.

Also, things like - she made out that Simon and her still lived together when they were separated for more than 4 years. She complained about him not doing husbandly things all the time, but now we know they were separated at that time.

Another thing I just remembered is that she talked about being grossed out by bodily fluids, blood, vomit, etc. It's shocking to see she wanted to be a nurse. She was studying a bachelor of Education to become a math teacher.

I'm not saying this points to innocence or guilt, by the way - everyone lies for various reasons, but it is very confusing to witness because there was no reason to do so - in the friendship group ,there were single parents, married parents, lower socio economic people, wealthier people, it wasn't like anyone cared about those things.

Thank you for sharing this!!

I am hesitating to ask, but keen to understand better... Do you have an example you could safely share? (without outing anyone of course)
Would really appreciate it if you could, and fully understand if that is not something you can do, or prefer not to do. Thank you

I was wanting to ask too, @Lisa4 ....just mustering up the courage!

 

[CityKid]

yes because didn't her son say the meat was delicious and tender?

From the son's testimony at the link below:
Interviewer: “And how was it cut?”

Patterson’s son: “I think it was a block cut up into cubes. Maybe 5cm (cubes).”

‘He did things to hurt mum’: Erin Patterson’s son reveals his parents’ disputes

Erin Patterson is accused of killing three people with poisonous death cap mushrooms.

7news.com.au

 

[katydid23]

Did Erin actually claim she booked gastric surgery at a place that doesn’t offer that service?

Yes, and when 1st confronted by that on the stand, she quickly said something like " Well, it was something weight related, it might have been liposuction I was meaning..."

Then today they told her there was no liposuction available there either, just botox and dermatology, lol

So she kind of conceded she was 'wrong.'

 

[MaxDecimus13]

My ex is a narcissist and as such, a pathological liar. Even when he was caught out in a lie, he would still continue with the lie while staring you in the face. It's recognised legally as a disorder.

I personally try not to read too much into what Erin must be like based on the written accounts that we hear. Based on only a selective number of facts, I don't think we can get enough information to state what she is really like. The reality is that everybody lies, and many people under extreme pressure act in a way that is not normal. She has been coming across as very defensive in the last few days, but I don't think that is unusual.

That said, there have been little indications that remind me of one of my exes, and I have wondered whether she could display similar traits. One thing that caught my eye, was the idea that her and Simon were very regularly on and off - very little has specifically been mentioned why this is, but that she seemed to take it very badly when he wrote down separated. My ex would routinely finish us for months at a time even, but when I finally said I'd had enough she was begging me not to leave. I realised later it was a form of control and manipulation.

The other trait is that my ex rarely had a good word to say about people, and as such you developed a very warped view of what people were like initially. It took me many years to realise that maybe her ex-boyfriends weren't all the worst people who had ever lived. I often wonder what impression her subsequent partners have of me, as I'm sure I was painted in the worst of terms. Whereas I have only had 1 partner since who I have been happily married to for well over a decade, she has unsurprisingly had a number of failed partners and never settled, none of which will be her fault.

I could be miles off the mark, but it does make me wonder, how bad it Simon really? Her claims that he was controlling could be vastly exaggerated and she could in-fact be the problem. My partner once called it emotional abuse when I refused to take part in a full-blown argument, insisting we calmed down first. Maybe Erin is somebody who throws around terms that are completely unrelated to reality.

 

[Salah11]

Yes, and when 1st confronted by that on the stand, she quickly said something like " Well, it was something weight related, it might have been liposuction I was meaning..."

Then today they told her there was no liposuction available there either, just botox and dermatology, lol

So she kind of conceded she was 'wrong.'

That hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper

 

[Scuffy35]

I am hoping we get to hear about what happened to "Phone A" sometime soon, or at least both versions of it, the prosecution's theory and Erin's lie.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I personally try not to read too much into what Erin must be like based on the written accounts that we hear. Based on only a selective number of facts, I don't think we can get enough information to state what she is really like. The reality is that everybody lies, and many people under extreme pressure act in a way that is not normal. She has been coming across as very defensive in the last few days, but I don't think that is unusual.

That said, there have been little indications that remind me of one of my exes, and I have wondered whether she could display similar traits. One thing that caught my eye, was the idea that her and Simon were very regularly on and off - very little has specifically been mentioned why this is, but that she seemed to take it very badly when he wrote down separated. My ex would routinely finish us for months at a time even, but when I finally said I'd had enough she was begging me not to leave. I realised later it was a form of control and manipulation.

The other trait is that my ex rarely had a good word to say about people, and as such you developed a very warped view of what people were like initially. It took me many years to realise that maybe her ex-boyfriends weren't all the worst people who had ever lived. I often wonder what impression her subsequent partners have of me, as I'm sure I was painted in the worst of terms. Whereas I have only had 1 partner since who I have been happily married to for well over a decade, she has unsurprisingly had a number of failed partners and never settled, none of which will be her fault.

I could be miles off the mark, but it does make me wonder, how bad it Simon really? Her claims that he was controlling could be vastly exaggerated and she could in-fact be the problem. My partner once called it emotional abuse when I refused to take part in a full-blown argument, insisting we calmed down first. Maybe Erin is somebody who throws around terms that are completely unrelated to reality.

I still say that she displays narcissistic traits. Interestingly most psychopaths are also narcissists...

 

[Megnut]

EP says BW was the perfect recipe for her Tupperware mushrooms.

But then she says that she only added Tupperrooms because, after taste testing her duxelle, it was too bland.

She both planned to use them and, not planning to use them, decided later to use them?

That is a spinning carousel you can't get off.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

When EP left her son at the Subway, she had just enough time to run back home, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe, among other furtive tasks, she was thinning her library.

Quickly she seemed to be divesting herself of anything in her possession associated with Death Cap mushrooms. Potentially plates, beef, books, photos on her phone, the dehydrator...

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Question: was the beef really missing from the binned BW?

Maybe there were no foraged mushrooms in the duxelle after all.

Maybe it was the beef that had a *special* marinade.

JMO

 

[Kemug]

True but, as we have said, intelligent people are not necessarily smart. A recent comment here mentioned EP's apparent inability read a room.

I have known several people that are so intelligent that they actually present as weird.

 

[katydid23]

That 'family friend' who told the Daily Mail that Erin had books on mushrooms may have been mistaken, or maybe Erin got rid of them before the police inspected her house?

Yes, maybe she dumped the foraging books.

But it's weird because NOW she wants to prove that she did have books on foraging. And claims she has some on her shelves now?

 

[lazymaiden07]

I still say that she displays narcissistic traits. Interestingly most psychopaths are also narcissists...

There's something going on, isn't there....I'm certainly not a forensic psychiatrist, but the lying is just too frequent, too repetitive for it to be considered normal. And being caught out in a lie ie the cancer/bariatric surgery lie, doesn't seem to act as a deterrent either....there's just no shame or contrition when found out. IMO

 

[Kemug]

Her alleged "panic" at disposing of the dehydrator doesn't fit the air traffic controller mentality. I think she probably calmly drove the kids to school (or to their drop off point to catch a school bus) and calmly took the dehydrator to the e-waste rubbish site. She calmly reset her phone, multiple times. She tried hard to mimic a less-poisoned person.

Very true. A good air traffic controller, which she apparently was, does not panic.

 

[Megnut]

Ah, the misfortune with which some people have to live.

Imagine being simultaneously the best and the  worst forager there is.

Well, unless you knew they were Death Cap mushrooms and you deliberately picked them.

Then I don't question your misfortune, I question your humanity.

JMO

 

[CityKid]

Me. I cook spaghetti then add parmesan cheese without tasting it. I just know how much to throw on top.

I assume you know what parmesan tastes like, right? If you didn't have enough parmesan, you wouldn't take an old piece of another cheese from the back of your fridge that smells like ammonia/cat urine and grate it up instead, would you?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Yes, maybe she dumped the foraging books.

But it's weird because NOW she wants to prove that she did have books on foraging. And claims she has some on her shelves now?

I've had a further thought. Perhaps that 'family friend' said that to support that Erin was a seasoned mushroom forager? She might still be a friend of hers? Dr Rogers is suggesting that Erin didn’t normally go foraging, but just said she did so as to make it look as though she didn't just go looking for Death Caps. I don't think that line of questioning will aid the prosecution though, because it could make it appear that Erin didn’t know what she was doing and mistakenly picked Death Caps.

 

[CityKid]

I WISH they would talk about what would happen to meat that was cooked in the oven with toxic death cap mushrooms paste on top of it.

THAT MEAT WOULD BE TOXIC TOO. Those poisons would have infiltrated the beef for sure.

That is such an important part of this puzzle. She could not have scraped mushrooms off and expected it would not be poisonous as well. Her kids would be severely ill at the very least iff they had eaten that meat, unless it was from her personal BW.

IMO that will be addressed before long.

 

[Bats]

I assume you know what parmesan tastes like, right? If you didn't have enough parmesan, you wouldn't take an old piece of another cheese from the back of your fridge that smells like ammonia/cat urine and grate it up instead, would you?

.....maybe....hehe...nah, just jokes.

Hang on, has this piece of evidence kind of migrated a little from what has actually been said?

I'm pretty sure Erin hasn't stated that she added something that smelt of cat urine to the dish has she?

 

[Kemug]

Is interest waning? I wonder? Is she frustrating everyone?

No, they were still in bed. If you want to get in the courtroom, try for the next freezing morning.