Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #8 *Arrest*

[Yh5r]

1m ago16.13 AEST
Daughter says Erin used the toilet 10 times, court hears

After the movie, Simon picked up the three children, the daughter says.

She says her father dropped off her brother at Erin’s house in Leongatha and her brother’s friend at their house in Korumburra.



Erin’s daughter says her father dropped her at her mother’s house at about 9pm on the day of the lunch.

She says her and Erin played on their tablets and then went to bed.

Her brother was playing on the computer, she says.

The officer asks how her mother was that evening. Erin’s daughter says:



Erin’s daughter says her mother told her she was “not feeling well”



The officer asks Erin’s daughter how many times her mother used the toilet.

Her daughter says Erin used the toilet 10 times in the morning and afternoon.

Erin Patterson trial day eight – as it happened

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As for visiting the toilet 10 times, poisoning guests and not knowing the outcome could certainly give one anxiety leading to diarrhoea...

 

[Yh5r]

Key Event
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Erin Patterson shaken by daughter's testimony​

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By Kristian Silva​

As the video comes to a stop and the jury is led out of the room, Erin Patterson stands in the dock and is visibly upset.

She takes a deep breath and looks up, quietly saying a few words to herself.

The video evidence will resume tomorrow.

Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened

Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.

www.abc.net.au

She really messed up her children's lives by her evil actions..

 

[JBowie]

I don't know if we know they found anything, but they were super interested.

This is from one of your posts back in 2024

[the dogs] spent several hours searching the house and the land surrounding the property, including Patterson’s car, a garage, outdoor furniture, and a meter box located on the back deck. An armchair and bushes close to the house received particularly close attention from the canines.

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Feb 15, 2024

WHERE were the e-devices found? I can imagine some being kinda-sorta plainly visible on a table or counter and some tucked away in a drawer or a closet/cupboard, maybe even in a safe. But were some actually buried outside???

Although the DM's headline -- in its typical slipshod manner -- says "inside the home", various MSM reports from last year say that the dogs roamed the property for around 6 hours. Here's a quoted bit from The Age. Note the sentence that I have bolded:

[the dogs] spent several hours searching the house and the land surrounding the property, including...

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Thanks for the reminder!

Re armchair, IIRC, someone mentioned on here recently that police dogs located a device secreted in a lounge (?) on her back porch.

 

[drsleuth]

As for visiting the toilet 10 times, poisoning guests and not knowing the outcome could certainly give one anxiety leading to diarrhoea...

Yes or it's BS. Where is the vomiting if she was poisoned too?? She certainly had some anxiety / fear with a HR of 140 on arrival to hospital IMO

I wonder what her history is with the local GP's & hospital, was she a FF ( frequent flyer ) , c/o ailments that were never diagnosed ( feared complaint with no diagnosis ) , seeking drugs etc

 

[Ellery84]

Probably realizing what her children went through (and likely continue to go through) as a result of her actions.

I think she loves her children. That’s her Achilles heel. Her kids.

Imagine putting them through this unnecessary trial and re-traumatising them. I know they are not attending in person, but the trauma still comes from the media reporting and probably from hearing family discussions. IMO.

 

[Ellery84]

Thanks for the reminder!

Re armchair, IIRC, someone mentioned on here recently that police dogs located a device secreted in a lounge (?) on her back porch.

Maybe Erin was an “armchair” detective.

 

[drsleuth]

8m ago07.21 BST
The officer asks Erin’s daughter to recall the meal they ate the day after the lunch.

She says her and her brother ate “some of the steak they had”.

“We had some mashed potatoes and beans,” she says.

The officer asks Erin’s daughter if the steak had anything else on it.

She replies: “no”.

The officer then asks about what plates Erin’s mother had at her Leongatha house.

Her daughter says they had a black and red plate – one her brother often used – and some white plates.

Erin’s daughter says her mother ate the same meal as the children on the Sunday evening but told them she was not very hungry because she was still unwell.

So [my brother] ate the rest of hers.

Erin Patterson trial day eight – as it happened

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[SouthAussie]

Thanks for the reminder!

Re armchair, IIRC, someone mentioned on here recently that police dogs located a device secreted in a lounge (?) on her back porch.

Yes, that was me. But after looking back, I think that was speculation due to the dogs interest.

 

[JBowie]

Maybe Erin was an “armchair” detective.

Pun aside, it's reported that she was a member of at least one true crime group.

 

[Ellery84]

Yes or it's BS. Where is the vomiting if she was poisoned too?? She certainly had some anxiety / fear with a HR of 140 on arrival to hospital IMO

I wonder what her history is with the local GP's & hospital, was she a FF ( frequent flyer ) , c/o ailments that were never diagnosed ( feared complaint with no diagnosis ) , seeking drugs etc

I don’t know, but I can imagine someone who likes opiates would present to hospital with pain, then once they get their meds they split before being medically discharged. Just a thought.

The fact that she consented to taking fentanyl for a headache is a huge red flag. I mean it’s fentanyl.

 

[Spectrix]

Was it ever established how one might reduce dehydrated fungi to "powder", what kind of device or implement might have been used?

One would generally use a Pestle & Mortar.
Erin had told Simon that she'd been doing experiments on the kids hiding powdered mushrooms in baked goods.

 

[Ellery84]

“Dr McDermott then did a Google search of Asian supermarkets in the Oakleigh area, reading out the names of the stores to Ms Patterson in an attempt to refresh her memory.

However, Ms Patterson indicated it was not going to assist her in identifying the store, the court heard.”


https://www.skynews.com.au/australi...k=9068b14255e91420ccb444167e2d520e-1746686328

So, Erin straight out lied to the toxicology registrar who was diligently trying to save the lives of her relatives and prevent a public health crisis.

She knows that she foraged those death cap mushrooms and instead of trying to help her desperately sick relatives, she serves out these lies to a doctor who is trying to save them.

To me this shows intent to cause harm to the lunch guests. She had an opportunity to be helpful and still chose to lie.

 

[katydid23]

I don't understand why she needed a dehydrator to prepare the mushrooms. Anyone who has ever sauteed mushrooms knows that they release a lot of moisture at first, but it evaporates as the mushrooms cook. In fact, Gordon Ramsay's recipe for Beef Wellington includes the instruction "When the mushrooms begin to release their juices, continue to cook over a high heat for about 10 minutes until all the excess moisture has evaporated and you are left with a mushroom paste (known as a duxelle)". I guess it's not that relevant to the case but it just strikes me as odd.

I think she used the hydrator because she foraged the mushrooms way before she planned to serve them. She dehydrated them so she could make a powder and save them for later use.

 

[Detechtive]

I am thinking she either has death cap mushroom immunity (in which case they could trial test her for an antidote) or she is a murderer.

It isn’t possible to have death cap immunity. It’s not a virus, the death cap toxins actually dissolves the liver and then the kidneys fail trying to flush the toxins out.

 

[JBowie]

I don't understand why she needed a dehydrator to prepare the mushrooms.

Fresh mushrooms are awesome, but don’t have a long shelf life. Dehydrating mushrooms gives you the chance to make them shelf-stable to use in your everyday cooking, and you can store them for a few years!

But the best thing about dehydrated mushrooms?

The powder.

Oh, the mushroom powder! It’s just to die for.

Well, please be really careful about the mushrooms you use to make it – you don’t really want to die from it!

How to Dehydrate Mushrooms and Mushroom Powder

Dehydrate mushrooms as a basic pantry staple, and make a mushroom powder seasoning blend that elevates the fungi into so much more!

www.thepurposefulpantry.com

 

[Detechtive]

I think she used the hydrator because she forged the mushrooms way before she planned to serve them. She dehydrated them so she could make a powder and save them for later use.

Absolutely agree!
death caps only grow in May /June and she needed to preserve them IMO

She planned to kill them in June, I believe, but when Simon declined much prior to the lunch, she didn’t go through with it. Then she came up with a more cunning plan to force Simon there, IMO

 

[JennieM]

It isn’t possible to have death cap immunity. It’s not a virus, the death cap toxins actually dissolves the liver and then the kidneys fail trying to flush the toxins out.

I know Detechtive, so if immunity is not possible that leaves us with murderer.

 

[arrogantcat]

Erin Patterson trial live:
Erin Patterson trial live: deceased mushroom lunch guests Don and Gail Patterson were ‘fantastic’ in-laws, court hears

How bad is your headache? Oh it’s about fentanyl out of 10.

On a serious note, I’ve heard Erin liked her Panadeine Forte; I’ve heard that she was a regular user of opiates before the pharmacies nation-wide brought in their pesky opiate register that restricted pharmacy dispensing of pain relievers that contained codeine.

I can imagine she would have enjoyed a nice little dose of fentanyl for her special headache. IMO.

Is there a source for this? I haven’t seen that reported anywhere

 

[Salah11]

Her illness doesn’t ring true to me. It was all an act to cover her bases. Look at how much pain the others were in that first night and they literally lived in the bathroom.

IMO

 

[arrogantcat]

I seem to recall mention that sniffer dogs found something in bushes.

Only that they sniffed in some bushes. The reporters were watching the search from outside so could only report on what was checked outside the property, hence so much emphasis in the reporting on bushes and trees. There were no reports that anything was actually found there, though - just that they were checked.