Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #8 *Arrest*

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  • #981
Maybe she’s bad, maybe she’s mad, maybe she’s innocent.

She's not playing the mental health card, but one has to wonder
I’m wondering at what point Erin decided not to play the mental health card?

In some ways, being in a locked unit on a mental health ward might be worse than jail. My claim to fame is at university I did a practicum in a mental health ward of a Brisbane hospital, and one of my patients was the woman who used rat poison at a Sizzler Salad Bar in Brisbane, serving out her sentence in a locked ward.

The lack of sensory stimulation in a locked mental health unit and the specialised equipment in a mental health ward can make life incredibly dull, plus there’s the use of chemical and physical restraints that are readily available in a mental health facility.

Personally; I think I would rather serve a sentence in jail than be surrounded by the crazies, 24/7.

But, horses for courses.
 
  • #982
I guess it is possible that Erin had some "good" grey dishes that the children never used.
Or maybe she got rid of the luncheon plates just to make sure there'd be no cross contamination?
 
  • #983
She evidently felt well enough for coffee in the morning. I can't imagine her stomach was queasy if she was drinking coffee.


On the morning of the lethal lunch, she recalls Erin making a coffee in the kitchen.
She says she remembers seeing meat in the oven.




You may also want to skip that morning cup of coffee, which can upset your stomach and dehydrate you.

Remedies for Nausea (Upset Stomach)

Just want to apologise for this post above. In my mind I thought the daughter was talking about the morning after the poisoning but, of course, she was speaking of the morning before the poisoning. So Erin drinking coffee then would be quite normal.

Duh me. :rolleyes:
 
  • #984
Or maybe she got rid of the luncheon plates just to make sure there'd be no cross contamination?

For sure. But I think the daughter was saying all Erin had (at any time) was a red plate(s), a black plate(s), and white plates. So that made me wonder if there were "good" grey plates stored away from their everyday stuff.

I wonder if the police ever looked around to see if Erin bought new plates just for the lunch. Then got rid of them afterwards.
 
  • #985

Erin's daughter says she did not go anywhere the day following the lunch.

She says in the middle of the day of August 1, they played Monopoly together and had dinner.

"We were going to go to church but Mum was feeling too sick," Erin's daughter said.

Erin's daughter says her, her mother and her brother ate leftovers from the lunch.

"We had some of the steak that they had, we had some mashed potatoes and some beans," Erin's daughter says.
The interviewer asks Erin's daughter to describe the steak, but she cannot.

"Did it have anything else on it?" he asks.

"No," she answers.
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This timeline is confusing----but did the kids eat the leftovers the day after the luncheon?

The in-laws went to the hospital the next morning, didn't they?

I'd think the kids didn't have leftovers until afternoon sometime. No one told Erin about the 4 lunch guests seeking medical help that morning?

How much time gap between the in-laws getting sick and Erin serving leftovers to her kids ?
 
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  • #986
This timeline is confusing----but did the kids eat the leftovers the day after the luncheon?

The in-laws went to the hospital the next morning, didn't they?

I'd think the kids didn't have leftovers until afternoon sometime. No one told Erin about the 4 lunch guests seeking medical help that morning?

How much time gap between Erin serving leftovers to her kids and the in-laws getting sick?

29th July: Poisoning
30th July: Don and Gail Patterson were ambulanced to hospital at 9:15am
30th July: Ian and Heather Wilkinson arrived at hospital at 10:58am
30th July: Erin served "leftovers" to kids for lunch
31st July: Erin takes kids to school, then goes to hospital herself around 8am



 
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  • #987
29th July: Poisoning
30th July: Don and Gail Patterson were ambulanced to hospital at 9:15am
30th July: Ian and Heather Wilkinson arrived at hospital at 10:58am
30th July: Erin served "leftovers" to kids for lunch
31st July: Erin takes kids to school, then goes to hospital herself around 8am

I wonder how much text communication was happening on the Sunday after the lunch (30th).

They had a group chat and I imagine that they would have been checking on Erin and the other guests that day to see if they'd also fallen ill.
 
  • #988
Is it known when the daughter of EP was interviewed by detectives?
I am curious about how much time had passed since the lunch for several reasons:
  • The child may have been aware that there was suspicion on their mother and wanted to protect her.
  • The child may have been coached or influenced by someone prior to the interview.
  • Memory of the days surrounding the lunch event may be unreliable, especially if the child had been traumatized in the aftermath of the event.
I can’t seem to find any media statements indicating when interviews with the children took place.
 
  • #989
I don't understand why she needed a dehydrator to prepare the mushrooms. Anyone who has ever sauteed mushrooms knows that they release a lot of moisture at first, but it evaporates as the mushrooms cook. In fact, Gordon Ramsay's recipe for Beef Wellington includes the instruction "When the mushrooms begin to release their juices, continue to cook over a high heat for about 10 minutes until all the excess moisture has evaporated and you are left with a mushroom paste (known as a duxelle)". I guess it's not that relevant to the case but it just strikes me as odd.
If you're picking or harvesting a food that grows mostly in certain seasons, it's not uncommon to dehydrate or freeze that food for later use.
 
  • #990

Erin's daughter says she did not go anywhere the day following the lunch.

She says in the middle of the day of August 1, they played Monopoly together and had dinner.



Erin's daughter says her, her mother and her brother ate leftovers from the lunch.


The interviewer asks Erin's daughter to describe the steak, but she cannot.


====================================================

This timeline is confusing----but did the kids eat the leftovers the day after the luncheon?

The in-laws went to the hospital the next morning, didn't they?

I'd think the kids didn't have leftovers until afternoon sometime. No one told Erin about the 4 lunch guests seeking medical help that morning?

How much time gap between the in-laws getting sick and Erin serving leftovers to her kids ?
I don’t think she did serve leftovers to her kids.

She served steak, beans and mash.

I think she told her daughter those were leftovers, but the leftovers were in the bin.

IMO
 
  • #991
Is it known when the daughter of EP was interviewed by detectives?
I am curious about how much time had passed since the lunch for several reasons:
  • The child may have been aware that there was suspicion on their mother and wanted to protect her.
  • The child may have been coached or influenced by someone prior to the interview.
  • Memory of the days surrounding the lunch event may be unreliable, especially if the child had been traumatized in the aftermath of the event.
I can’t seem to find any media statements indicating when interviews with the children took place.

18 days after the poisonings.


"Her daughter’s interview with police, known as video audio recorded evidence, was from 16 August 2023.

The girl cannot be named because of a suppression order."

 
  • #992
29th July: Poisoning
30th July: Don and Gail Patterson were ambulanced to hospital at 9:15am
30th July: Ian and Heather Wilkinson arrived at hospital at 10:58am

Thank You. That is interesting. I'd have thought someone, like Simon maybe, would have rung Erin early that day, to warn her about the possible food poisoning issue. Wouldn't he worry about his kids eating leftovers? They didn't even know what made them sick yet, but they were suspicious it might have been the lunch from the previous day.

It just seems odd to me that no one called Erin early that day to check on her and the children. Or maybe they did?

But surely she wouldn't have given the kids 'leftovers' if she knew about them being sick?
30th July: Erin served "leftovers" to kids for lunch
31st July: Erin takes kids to school, then goes to hospital herself around 8am



 
  • #993
If any juror doesn't want to be there all they needed to do was inform the judge that they have extensive prior knowledge of the case and an opinion about guilt which they don't feel able to set aside.

If it were me I'd want to stay on the Jury, I find this case to be completely fascinating.
 
  • #994
Is it known when the daughter of EP was interviewed by detectives?
I am curious about how much time had passed since the lunch for several reasons:
  • The child may have been aware that there was suspicion on their mother and wanted to protect her.
  • The child may have been coached or influenced by someone prior to the interview.
  • Memory of the days surrounding the lunch event may be unreliable, especially if the child had been traumatized in the aftermath of the event.
I can’t seem to find any media statements indicating when interviews with the children took place.


Her daughter’s interview with police, known as video audio recorded evidence, was from 16 August 2023.

Erin Patterson was arrested and charged with murder on 2 November 2023.




 
  • #995
Thank You. That is interesting. I'd have thought someone, like Simon maybe, would have rung Erin early that day, to warn her about the possible food poisoning issue. Wouldn't he worry about his kids eating leftovers? They didn't even know what made them sick yet, but they were suspicious it might have been the lunch from the previous day.

It just seems odd to me that no one called Erin early that day to check on her and the children. Or maybe they did?

But surely she wouldn't have given the kids 'leftovers' if she knew about them being sick?

I am guessing someone must have spoken with Erin. Though Ian and Heather didn't get to the hospital till 10:58am, so it's not really clear if and when someone spoke (or texted) with Erin.

Simon was obviously communicating, definitely with his cousin. Yes, one would think he'd want to make sure his kids were okay.


After Simon Patterson drove her parents to hospital the morning after the lunch, Ms Dubois said she “packed up the car” and went to be by their side.

In hospital, Ian and Heather expressed concern about Ms Patterson’s health, knowing Don and Gail were also ill.

“They asked how Erin was,” she said.

“They talked about their concern for Erin, maybe coming to hospital as a precaution; she had seemingly eaten the same meal as they had.”

 
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  • #996
Yeah that’s awfully interesting. What’s on the trail cam, I wonder? How fascinating.

She was on a fairly big block, could be described as semi-rural.
If they had chickens or ducks, a trail cam might be used to watch for predators like foxes.

Actually I recall a mention of livestock in the context of EP asking Simon's help about a fence.
We used to have goats and they were quite cunning, using any possible method to get into different areas in order to feed. A tree trunk leaning on a fence would present a completely viable route into the house veggie garden, for instance. Damn things.


Edit - here it is -

Erin:
“Hey, I understand we don’t really have the kind of relationship right now where I can ask for favours, but I don’t have anywhere to turn,” her text began.
“David’s wife rang me and told me there is a tree down across the fence near where the gate joins my back paddock and there’s a goat has been using it to get into their yard..”

Simon responded:
“Hey there. I’m always your husband no matter how we’re doing, so no probs with helping but I am in Brisbane. Can it wait until I’m back?”


Source
 
  • #997
I think Erin would have been better off to agree to an assessment.
Who leaves the hospital if your life may be in serious danger. She was told the others were in the ICU.
As a jury member, I would question that.
Maybe it's just the dog lover in me, but I would have begged to go home and drop my pup to the vet if there was any chance that she may have had some of the food that's sickened so many people, and grabbed the children and headed back to hospital. MOO. Especially if the entire hospital staff was begging to me return for more treatment.
 
  • #998
I think it would have been odd if she didn't ask. You have all these medical professional really worried about me & tell me others are in ICU after eating a meal I prepared, even calling the police , but I'm fine, I wonder how they are?

:rolleyes:
I agree. She had to ask. MOO sadly I feel she was sweating bullets (or a stronger phrase :) ) wondering if any or all of them survived.
 
  • #999
I’ve joined just to discuss this case-it’s so fascinating.
I’m of the opinion that the beef wellingtons (or at least significant aspects of them) were already prepared before Simon cancelled. So it wasn’t a spur of the moment decision.
Really struggling with a motive. The closest we’ve come is the loans to his family members.
I’m amazed at how measured and almost polite they all seem about her.
Welcome 😊 As you say, it’s fascinating; also confusing, so sad, and quite horrific.

My tendency is to see people as ‘ good / genuine ‘ whilst allowing for all our individual human quirks ( and in no way am I gullible or a push-over 😉)

However from early on I was troubled by the attitude of EP, and that’s continued on.

Currently there would need to be a huge change in presented evidence for me to absolve her of Murdering these people.

Interestingly, everyone seems to be speaking so well of her - nice person, caring mother, generous, witty, clever, capable, supportive of community, good cook, ….

So far, we’ve heard evidence as to her:
Interest in Mushrooms
Her experience as a mushroom forager
Her purchase of a food dehydrator
Her move to ‘powdering’ mushrooms and to hide it in food
Her dislike of hospitals
Her battle with postnatal depression after birth of first child
Her leaving the marriage /her husband SP, and then reuniting (a few times)
Her inference to online friends that her husband was coercive & controlling
Her feelings of resentment toward her husband (now separated since 2015) for not helping with household chores
Her reluctance toward the children staying at their Dad’s place
Her significant inheritances, and her generosity to a brother-in-law & a sister-in-law
Her frustration with SP over certain matters that appeared ‘financial’ V her continuing to keep property in his name
Her comments as to the ‘interference & controlling’ she sensed from her in-laws - despite her maintaining a relationship with them
Her propensity to message & involve her in-laws in her relationship / disagreements with her estranged husband.
Her non-christianity V the strong Christian faith & beliefs of the family she married into
Her unkind & imo judgemental descriptions of local people
Her tendency to not socialise / host people at home

IMO - EP made 2 shots at murdering Gail, Don, Heather & Ian, as per:

1st attempt was the lunch on 29th July 2023

On this occasion the intent was to get rid of estranged husband EP also, but he foiled that plan by withdrawing his acceptance the afternoon prior.
However EP went ahead with her planned ‘last lunch’ of Beef Wellington for his Parents, Aunt & Uncle.
I think EP possibly regretted her marriage from the very early stages - maybe SP wasn’t the pushover she hoped for; maybe he wasn’t feisty enough for her, instead being gentle & laid back, or maybe he was Controlling & coercive - who knows what caused the break downs. Motive is not required by the Court, just my curiosity 🤔
It’s possible that after 8 years of separation, she was over them all !
She just wanted to be free to live her life & to raise her children the way it suited her.

Divorce would have been frowned on by his Parents, also by Aunt & Uncle, him being the Pastor. All were well known & respect members of the community.
SP was hanging around as if he was still her ‘legitimate’ husband, and was keen to step back into the role at the nod of her head.
In such a situation, the thought of the fallout from serving him with Divorce Papers may have filled her with terror re the decline in her standing in the community and the impact on her children.

So on that basis I think EP decided the best option was to get rid of them all.

IMO she took some time to plan it all quite carefully, and to equip herself with everything required.
When she was ready, she issued the invitations with 2 compelling reason for them to attend. In the case of Gail & Don, not only was there a concern for the health of their DIL, but also concern for the welfare of their grandchildren.

And it all went well - everyone attested to having had a delicious lunch.

2nd attempt

That was needed, because her lunch guests didn’t die overnight !! They all ended up in hospital at various times the next day. Gail & Don being first as they called the ambulance, and rang SP to check on Heather & Ian, who he then drove to hospital.

I can’t recall but I’m guessing SP rang to enquire of / tell EP. I’m also guessing that news led to EP swallowing a double dose of laxatives & thereafter being able to honestly report as feeling a bit crap.

The horror for me is that I’ve not heard from anyone of her being concerned for the welfare of her lunch guests, who were actually her Family Members.

The other horror, and what I judge as her 2nd attempt to see them dead, is the fact that EP continued to LIE about where she got the mushrooms, sticking to her story of Woolworths & and Asian Grocer.
While her Family lay dying in hospital & while multiple levels of medical staff questioned her at different times, and for differing times, she refused to provide the answer that could have given those people a chance at living.
IMO, that is absolutely appalling, and in itself should constitute a murder charge.

As per my earlier remark that everyone speaks so well of her, where is / was she hiding this side of her personality. . she sounds like a psychopath who no one would be safe to be around, yet there doesn’t seem to have been any evidence of that previously, and there’s been no plea on mental health grounds.

Fascinating for sure… shame it’s true eh ..
 
  • #1,000
There might be something to that.

I think that’s as close to being a motive.

Perhaps Erin did not want Simon to have custody of the children at all, but wanted the life insurance / Superannuation / inheritance money to be paid to her to take care of the kids.

Maybe she didn’t want Gail or Don around to take care of the kids either, but also, happy to take her portion of their assets once they died.

In a way, maybe in her twisted mind she did all of this “for the kids”, but she’s too mixed up mentally to understand what is truly in their best interests.
IMO the jury might not be told one specific motive by the prosecution, but they will be adding up all the possible motives.
 
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