Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #8 *Arrest*

[CityKid]

Obviously told that "this is what I gave to grandma and grandpa yesterday".
Otherwise I doubt a 9 year old would know that fact for sure.

imo

IMO since these BWs were baked like Cornish pasties, there were three made without any mushrooms at all for EP and the children. No need to scrape the mushrooms off the children's portions.

 

[Warshawski]

Hypothetically. If the parents have that kind of money or death insurance to pass along. Which is something we haven't heard (yet).

The children didn't borrow the money from the parents in the first place. There might or might not be those kinds of funds available from them.

I'm just thinking of the years they spent in missionary work in Botswana and China. If they were even able to accumulate any kind of wealth in the years that they have been back in Australia (I think they have been back for 25 years, not sure about that, but that is what I think I read in an old link).

imo

Details of Gail & Don’s Will

Sad detail in the will of alleged mushroom poisoning victim

The former school office worker and her husband and her sister all died within days of eating a meal at her daughter-in-law's Leongatha home in Victoria's Gippsland region.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[CityKid]

As for visiting the toilet 10 times, poisoning guests and not knowing the outcome could certainly give one anxiety leading to diarrhoea...

Or you could visit a toilet 10 times, stay for a few minutes and flush after each visit.

 

[Warshawski]

Ah so she did ask how they were.

That initially struck me too - but then i realised it didn’t say she was asked the question ‘ Did Erin enquire about the welfare of the others ?’

So I’m wondering if, as a side note to Mandy’s question as to whether Erin asked the Dr if everyone who ate the mushrooms would need a liver transplant, and Dr Foote saying she couldn’t recall - she may have added that she was not able to discuss the others due to patient confidentiality.

 

[Warshawski]

Key Event
2m ago

Nurse tells Erin her life is at risk​

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By Melissa Brown​

Ms Ashton says Erin got up and said she needed to leave.

She says the conversation went back and forth between Erin wanting to leave, and Ms Ashton expressing concern for Erin's wellbeing and trying to get her to understand the seriousness of the situation.

She describes it as "a very short rapid communication" which included talking about the poor condition of the other guest and that they were being transferred to other hospitals for higher level care.

Ms Ashton says she told Erin "her life was at risk. These guys were really unwell. We had two in ICU at the time".

She says Erin kept repeating the same reason for leaving — that she hadn't come to the hospital prepared to stay, that she did not think she would need to be admitted, and that she needed to go away to prepare and would come back.

Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened

Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.

www.abc.net.au

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Bolded by me could be significant Doc.

I don’t know why anyone would discount & ignore medical advice under such dire circumstances.

What comes to me is that EP knew her health wasn’t in any danger, but at this point she sensed the importance of double checking that everything had been thoroughly cleaned up & accurately disposed of.

 

[JBowie]

Seven News Sydney speculates that the comments made by the judge in relation to Monday being a day off for the jurors -- because things are happening behind the scenes "to condense the material that will be presented to them" -- means that the trial may come to an early conclusion.

Interesting. I wonder if the Defence is under instructions from EP to work out a deal for a guilty plea? Has she had enough of witness testimony proving her guilt to the jury and doesn't want to have to listen to any more of it?

 

[Warshawski]

I guess it is possible that Erin had some "good" grey dishes that the children never used.

And a ‘good’ orangey-tan plate as well may be

 

[Warshawski]

Yes or it's BS. Where is the vomiting if she was poisoned too?? She certainly had some anxiety / fear with a HR of 140 on arrival to hospital IMO

I wonder what her history is with the local GP's & hospital, was she a FF ( frequent flyer ) , c/o ailments that were never diagnosed ( feared complaint with no diagnosis ) , seeking drugs etc

Absolutely - pretty stressed by then as things weren’t panning out as she planned.

Surely her medical history has been examined. .. but then, although that may provide Motive, we’ve been warned ‘motive’ is not in consideration

 

[Spectrix]

Or you could visit a toilet 10 times, stay for a few minutes and flush after each visit.

I recall she'd reported to the transfer ambulance staff that her diarrhoea was so bad that she was going thirty times a day, so they'd asked her to let them know whenever she needed to stop on the way.
But she managed to last the entire 1h:40m trip between Leongatha and Monash without needing to use the loo even once.

 

[CocktailQueen]

It’s ‘interesting’ that when the investigators found the dinner left overs in the bin, that they didn’t also find the mushroom duxelles that had been scraped out of the children’s portions, isn’t it?!

 

[JBowie]

It’s ‘interesting’ that when the investigators found the dinner left overs in the bin, that they didn’t also find the mushroom duxelles that had been scraped out of the children’s portions, isn’t it?!

Methinks that EP would likely claim that they were flushed down the kitchen sink.

 

[Gardeningbook]

and no trace of the mushroom packaging?
If the leftovers were still in the bin why wasn’t the packaging?
When was her bin collection day?

Another thing
Her daughter reported her feeling ill before the kids ate the leftovers.
Surely you wouldn’t feed your kids a meal that made you feel ill or even a meal you’d prepared before feeling ill?

 

[Salah11]

Isn’t it funny Erin had the energy to play monopoly the following day yet the people she poisoned were all hospital in agony and dying.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Isn’t it funny Erin had the energy to play monopoly the following day yet the people she poisoned were all hospital in agony and dying.

MOO

Monopoly, no less.

The game of financial motives.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Hypothetically. If the parents have that kind of money or death insurance to pass along. Which is something we haven't heard (yet).

The children didn't borrow the money from the parents in the first place. There might or might not be those kinds of funds available from them.

I'm just thinking of the years they spent in missionary work in Botswana and China. If they were even able to accumulate any kind of wealth in the years that they have been back in Australia (I think they have been back for 25 years, not sure about that, but that is what I think I read in an old link).

imo

Sad detail in the will of alleged mushroom poisoning victim

The former school office worker and her husband and her sister all died within days of eating a meal at her daughter-in-law's Leongatha home in Victoria's Gippsland region.

www.dailymail.co.uk

There's confirmation of one possible motive for EP's alleged actions.

 

[Ellery84]

Seven News Sydney speculates that the comments made by the judge in relation to Monday being a day off for the jurors -- because things are happening behind the scenes "to condense the material that will be presented to them" -- means that the trial may come to an early conclusion.

Interesting. I wonder if the Defence is under instructions from EP to work out a deal for a guilty plea? Has she had enough of witness testimony proving her guilt to the jury and doesn't want to have to listen to any more of it?

Please Lord, just make it stop. I bet everyone’s keen to go home at this point.

 

[Porky1]

That Erin stood to at least potentially profit from Don and Gail's deaths cannot go without mention from the prosecution, surely?

She may have but they were separated and it would depend on whether financial separation had occurred. In my view, it would have given the siblings an opportunity to pay Erin back.

I don’t see this as financially motivated to plot their murder, if she did, but it may have been a contributing factor as it escalated.

 

[Spectrix]

Please Lord, just make it stop. I bet everyone’s keen to go home at this point.

The defendant is entitled to a fair trial, regardless of how hopeless the case may appear to be.

Erin and her defence team were well aware of the prosecutions evidence before agreeing to go to trial, and we haven't heard from the defence witnesses yet.

 

[Porky1]

I don't understand why she needed a dehydrator to prepare the mushrooms.

To store the mushrooms for 3-4 months.

 

[Porky1]

Yeah that’s awfully interesting. What’s on the trail cam, I wonder? How fascinating.

Why?

She lived in a rural area. They probably enjoyed checking wildlife movements.