Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #9 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 363451]

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Expert says public should do a mushroom apprenticeship before foraging​

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By Judd Boaz​

Dr May confirms to Ms Stafford that this has happened multiple times, with people bringing mushrooms to him for analysis that are, in fact, toxic.

He says while initially in his career, he told people to not forage at all, he now tells people to educate themselves and undertake an "apprenticeship" in identification.

Asked if it would take "years and years" to become accurate in mushroom identification, Dr May agrees it could take "a considerable" amount of time.

Ms Stafford then turns the court's attention to the non-toxic stubble rosegill, and begins pointing out characteristics that are similar to the death cap mushroom.

Dr May says in general, the gills of the stubble rosegill can appear pale from underneath.

He says he has not heard of any poisoning cases regarding the stubble rosegill.

Mushroom expert quizzed on death cap identification in Erin Patterson trial — as it happened

An internationally recognised fungi expert has given evidence in the trial of Erin Patterson, who is accused of murdering three relatives with a poisoned beef Wellington meal. Look back at how the day unfolded in our live blog.

www.abc.net.au

I can see where this is going... Poor Erin thought she was picking stubble rosegill mushrooms. Yeh, pull the other one.

"Ms Stafford then turns the court's attention to the non-toxic stubble rosegill, and begins pointing out characteristics that are similar to the death cap mushroom."

 

[Eloise]

So unlikely. Now they need a chef to be questioned who will say why that's implausible for someone going to the lengths of making beef wellington (those mushrooms are edible, but gross)

 

[Deleted member 363451]

So unlikely. Now they need a chef to be questioned who will say why that's implausible for someone going to the lengths of making beef wellington (those mushrooms are edible, but gross)

Uses. Volvopluteus gloiocephalus is edible, although considered watery and poor in quality

 

[Kemug]

Morning Recess
Lunch
Afternoon recess

Usually in all courts, the court reporter needs regular breaks

And Erin can go to the toilet frequently.

 

[Marg944]

Just like Russian Roulette…….


“Lawyer Sophie Stafford asks Dr Thomas May if there are no simple rules to distinguish toxic mushrooms from edible mushrooms in the wild.

“Yes,” he says.

He says it is generally only after consumption that it can be determined if a mushroom is toxic.”

Erin Patterson murder trial day 10 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Eloise]

I think I'll stick to mushies from Coles tbh. Hearing about the insect infestation solidified that choice for me!

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Just like Russian Roulette…….


“Lawyer Sophie Stafford asks Dr Thomas May if there are no simple rules to distinguish toxic mushrooms from edible mushrooms in the wild.

“Yes,” he says.

He says it is generally only after consumption that it can be determined if a mushroom is toxic.”

Erin Patterson murder trial day 10 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

Hmmm...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I think I'll stick to mushies from Coles tbh. Hearing about the insect infestation solidified that choice for me!

I would never eat mushrooms that have been foraged, even if the people say that they'e experts.

 

[tmar]

I would never eat mushrooms that have been foraged, even if the people say that they'e experts.

To think EP went to places where death caps were advertised, is alarming.
I thought, perhaps by 'accident' she picked them near her home: yet they are not as prevalent, as I previously thought.
She purposely picked them.

 

[Kemug]

Prosecutors alleged Patterson lied to police about purchasing the dehydrator and using it to prepare mushrooms for the beef Wellington.

Six days after the meal, the dehydrator was found by police at a local tip.

RSBM
Once she found the Death Caps, she may have thought "Oh I'll have to make my plans right now, because they don't keep very long." Then, "I know, I'll buy a dehydrator and dry them. Oh, I'm just so clever!"

 

[Detechtive]

Just like Russian Roulette…….


“Lawyer Sophie Stafford asks Dr Thomas May if there are no simple rules to distinguish toxic mushrooms from edible mushrooms in the wild.

“Yes,” he says.

He says it is generally only after consumption that it can be determined if a mushroom is toxic.”

Erin Patterson murder trial day 10 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

Except in Russian Roulette there’s one bullet in the gun, not four.

 

[Detechtive]

RSBM
Once she found the Death Caps, she may have thought "Oh I'll have to make my plans right now, because they don't keep very long." Then, "I know, I'll buy a dehydrator and dry them. Oh, I'm just so clever!"

Dumbest alleged criminal in modern Australian history.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

To think EP went to places where death caps were advertised, is alarming.
I thought, perhaps by 'accident' she picked them near her home: yet they are not as prevalent, as I previously thought.
She purposely picked them.

Yes, she did. I'm fairly sure that could find edible mushrooms in or around the town where she lived.

 

[Detechtive]

The wording was Porcini OR Shiitake. Not and

Yes I’m aware, that’s my whole point. The two mushrooms are very different and it’s not believable that she didn’t know which one she was pretending to use.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Dumbest alleged criminal in modern Australian history.

And Simon said that she was highly intelligent...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Yes I’m aware, that’s my whole point. The two mushrooms are very different and it’s not believable that she didn’t know which one she was pretending to use.

"A close friend of the Patterson family told Daily Mail Australia she was known for going wild mushroom foraging around Victoria’s Gippsland region along with her ex-partner Simon and other relatives and was “very good” at it.

“The Patterson family would pick mushrooms each year when they were in season,” the source said.

'Knew what to pick': Source's bombshell claim about mushroom cook

A new development in the case of the deadly mushroom poisoning that claimed three lives in Victoria has exposed the woman who cooked the lunch as an experience forager.

www.skynews.com.au

https://entageterallest.com/88c2a85f-28ca-4ed1-9202-147f81ab2ce2

 

[Detechtive]

And Simon said that she was highly intelligent...

You can be book smart and socially and emotionally inept. You can also be an intelligent psychopath without empathy , etc

I find the method of murder so chilling because it’s such a passive aggressive vindictive crime. I imagine she thought she was going to outsmart everyone.

Every day it seems to get worse for her…

 

[Deleted member 363451]

You can be book smart and socially and emotionally inept. You can also be an intelligent psychopath without empathy , etc

I find the method of murder so chilling because it’s such a passive aggressive vindictive crime. I imagine she thought she was going to outsmart everyone.

Every day it seems to get worse for her…

It's like something out of Midsomer Murders...

 

[Kemug]

Key Event
1m ago

Mushroom expert posted death cap location to iNaturalist​

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By Judd Boaz​

Dr Rogers turns the conversation back to iNaturalist.

"Do you have a profile on that site?" she asks.

"I do have a profile on that site, and the name is funkeytom," he says.

RSBM
Dear Dr May
Shouldn't that be fungitom?

 

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Testimony of friend finished​

By Judd Boaz​

According to the friend's testimony, Erin's son and his friend helped themselves some of the dessert brought by the lunch guests.

He recalls in his statement seeing the guests leave, and describes the mood of the host as ordinary.

"Erin just seemed like her normal self to me," he said of the day after the lunch.

The testimony concludes, and the statement of Erin's son's flying instructor is up next.

This is interesting. So in order to let the kids help themselves to the fruit etc she would have had to make sure everything possibly contaminating was gone. I wish we knew what happened post deathcap meal and before this timeframe.