Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #9 *Arrest*

[drsleuth]

1m ago

Court adjourns for the day​

By Judd Boaz​

While the next witness is waiting outside the courtroom, Justice Beale determines there is no time left in the day, so we will hear from her tomorrow.

Court is adjourned.

Expert says Erin Patterson's medical files suggest she was ill — as it happened

Erin Patterson is on trial charged with the murders of three relatives who died after eating a meal she prepared which contained poisonous mushrooms. Follow the trial in our live blog.

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[drsleuth]

5m ago07.05 BST
Erin’s barrister Colin Mandy SC has shown Prof Andrew Bersten Erin’s lower haemoglobin from between 2013-2014 and elevated levels in 2015 during a brief break, the court hears.

Rogers re-examines Bersten and asks about the possible reasons for elevated haemoglobin.

He points to dehydration as a possible cause.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 11 – as it happened

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[drsleuth]

Patterson’s hospital tests indicate she did have diarrhoea, expert says​

Professor Andrew Burston, an intensive care specialist, was asked to review medical notes about Patterson’s time at Leongatha Hospital, her transfer to Monash Hospital, and her stay at Monash Hospital.

Burston said while Patterson’s vital signs appeared normal, some test results indicate that she was suffering from diarrhoea.

“I thought there was evidence that she had a diarrhoeal illness ... We had reports she had diarrhoea ....There was dehydration,” he said.

Burston noted Patterson had a mild level of dehydration when she presented at hospital.

He said her tests showed slightly elevated levels of haemoglobin and fibrinogen , consistent with a sudden illness.

However, he said the illness did not appear to be severe and there was no other biochemical evidence of a liver injury.

Patterson’s hospital tests indicate she did have diarrhoea, expert says

Erin Patterson is accused of killing three people with poisonous death cap mushrooms.

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[Detechtive]

Patterson’s hospital tests indicate she did have diarrhoea, expert says​

Professor Andrew Burston, an intensive care specialist, was asked to review medical notes about Patterson’s time at Leongatha Hospital, her transfer to Monash Hospital, and her stay at Monash Hospital.

Burston said while Patterson’s vital signs appeared normal, some test results indicate that she was suffering from diarrhoea.

“I thought there was evidence that she had a diarrhoeal illness ... We had reports she had diarrhoea ....There was dehydration,” he said.

Burston noted Patterson had a mild level of dehydration when she presented at hospital.

He said her tests showed slightly elevated levels of haemoglobin and fibrinogen , consistent with a sudden illness.

However, he said the illness did not appear to be severe and there was no other biochemical evidence of a liver injury.

Patterson’s hospital tests indicate she did have diarrhoea, expert says

Erin Patterson is accused of killing three people with poisonous death cap mushrooms.

7news.com.au

hmm but there were no pathogens found in the stool test and the vomiting and diarrhoea were not observed, only self reported by someone who seems to have a problem with truth.

 

[drsleuth]

1m ago07.19 BST
The prosecution’s next witness is Katrina Cripps, the court hears.

Justice Christopher Beale says she will begin her evidence on Thursday morning.

The court adjourns for the day.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 11 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

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[Old Soul]

Whilst I think the tested "leftovers" were non-contaminated in the first place, just say there was the dehydrated death cap powder in these leftovers, would the powder even be detectable under the microscope, I imagine it would have dissolved in the liquid of the duxelle?! Visually she has only seen the chunks of the fresh mushroom...

Good question. I believe the spores of the death cap are minuscule and would be able to be identified under a microscope if they were in the leftovers, even when ground to a powder. Mushroom spores do not dissolve in water.

“The spores of the death cap mushroom (Amanita phalloides) are approximately 8-10 micrometers in length and 6-9 micrometers in width. They are typically subglobose to ellipsoid, smooth, and thin-walled, with a white spore print. The spores are also amyloid, meaning they turn blue in Melzer's iodine reagent”.

Amanita phalloides - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

*a micrometre is one thousandth of a millimetre

 

[Detechtive]

Is the defence causing reasonable doubt for anyone at this point?

 

[JBowie]

1m ago07.19 BST
The prosecution’s next witness is Katrina Cripps, the court hears.

Justice Christopher Beale says she will begin her evidence on Thursday morning.

The court adjourns for the day.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 11 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

4. The jury was shown CCTV footage of a woman disposing of a dehydrator at a tip, the Koonwarra Transfer Station And Landfill, on 2 August – four days after the lunch.

"A woman"? Any doubt about who that woman was? Poor court reporting by Adeshola Ore. If it was EP then say it was EP. Makes me wonder if some of these reporters are actually in court.

 

[drsleuth]

Not sure if this has been posted before?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/how-erin-pattersons-family-money-helped-build-a-comfortable-life/news-story/e7a2fedf14c5e6e874b05cd4fabc53d8?amp

How Erin Patterson’s family money helped build a comfortable life​

The proceeds of Erin Patterson’s first inheritance trickled slowly down the family tree, all the way from Alexandria in Egypt and the Nile River delta.

John Ferguson
@fergusonjw

6 min read
April 23, 2024 - 7:13AM

Sorry to tired to paraphrase.

 

[da_worm]

Regardless of when the ingredients were bought, to me, beef wellington/pies/pasties are the sort of thing you'd construct on the day of the meal. If I were cooking it, I may make a mushroom paste the evening prior, and maybe marinade the meat if that's a component of the recipe. Regardless of whether homemade pastry was used, or frozen pre-packaged pastry, you'd imagine the pastries would be filled and sealed just prior to the meal being cooked and served, and not the day or night before. I certainly wouldn't cook them the day before, they are not the type of meal that reheats well. Pastry tends to dry out once exposed to the air and making them the day prior, even if you didn't cook them, would ruin what has been self described as "a special meal".

I have cooked beef wellingtons myself in the past - depending on the recipe, it can be quite complicated and generally its better to half-prepare the day before - up to the point of wrapping in pastry. This was to ensure the meat doesnt overcook and the mushrooms stick to the meat properly.... but maybe im just a better cook i certainly havent caused the death of anyone with my cooking!!!

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Regardless of when the ingredients were bought, to me, beef wellington/pies/pasties are the sort of thing you'd construct on the day of the meal. If I were cooking it, I may make a mushroom paste the evening prior, and maybe marinade the meat if that's a component of the recipe. Regardless of whether homemade pastry was used, or frozen pre-packaged pastry, you'd imagine the pastries would be filled and sealed just prior to the meal being cooked and served, and not the day or night before. I certainly wouldn't cook them the day before, they are not the type of meal that reheats well. Pastry tends to dry out once exposed to the air and making them the day prior, even if you didn't cook them, would ruin what has been self described as "a special meal".

Can I suggest that the budding culinary experts among us watch a couple of youtube videos of the process for making beef wellingtons?

It does contain multiple steps involving layering onto plastic wrap, then rolling, then cooling to set, then the next phase, wrapping the cooled and set mushroom duxelles, perhaps with an outer layer of spinach, or prosciutto, over the beef, before wrapping in the pastry layer, dressing and decorating that, before the final cook.

If I were to prepare beef wellington(s) for a luncheon, the mushroom duxelles would be made the morning before, layered on the spinach or prosciutto (why not both), pressed and chilled, and then the beef wrapped that afternnon, compressed in wrap and again chilled.

I would apply the pastry layer the night before, decorate, and chill - ready for the oven the next morning - lunch was at 1230, afterall.

 

[drsleuth]

4. The jury was shown CCTV footage of a woman disposing of a dehydrator at a tip, the Koonwarra Transfer Station And Landfill, on 2 August – four days after the lunch.

"A woman"? Any doubt about who that woman was? Poor court reporting by Adeshola Ore. If it was EP then say it was EP. Makes me wonder if some of these reporters are actually in court.

Maybe the reporters are reporting on how the video was described in court & what was said, which has been reported by several court reporters, all the same or similar.

 

[da_worm]

Can I suggest that the budding culinary experts among us watch a couple of youtube videos of the process for making beef wellingtons?

It does contain multiple steps involving layering onto plastic wrap, then rolling, then cooling to set, then the next phase, wrapping the cooled and set mushroom duxelles, perhaps with an outer layer of spinach, or prosciutto, over the beef, before wrapping in the pastry layer, dressing and decorating that, before the final cook.

If I were to prepare beef wellington(s) for a luncheon, the mushroom duxelles would be made the morning before, layered on the spinach or prosciutto (why not both), pressed and chilled, and then the beef wrapped that afternnon, compressed in wrap and again chilled.

I would apply the pastry layer the night before, decorate, and chill - ready for the oven the next morning - lunch was at 1230, afterall.

Yes - agreed! its typically not a quick and easy dish you would whip up in the morning of the lunch. EP herself said she had been preparing it all week

 

[Marg944]

1m ago07.19 BST
The prosecution’s next witness is Katrina Cripps, the court hears.

Justice Christopher Beale says she will begin her evidence on Thursday morning.

The court adjourns for the day.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 11 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

I wonder if Katrina Cripps is a neighbour of Erin’s?

 

[Spectrix]

Why was Erin posting about dehydrating mushrooms in a True Crime FB group?

"Oh hey guys, so how many of these death caps do you reckon I'll need to take out four or five of my inlaws?
I was thinking I probs only need six or seven death caps, but would you suggest erring on the side of caution and putting in ten or so in just to make sure?

 

[SouthAussie]

Is the defence causing reasonable doubt for anyone at this point?

Let's put it this way, I had no reasonable doubt at all that Greg Lynn murdered Russell Hill. Especially due to the horrible way Lynn covered up his actions afterwards. But the jury found reasonable doubt. So there you go.

 

[boomburger]

Is the defence causing reasonable doubt for anyone at this point?

I think this is a very difficult case to prove intent, especially the nature of the case being one of the first of its kind, a family intentionally poisoned with death caps when typically poisoning is accidental, it would not surprise me if she were found not guilty on the murder charges.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Let's put it this way, I had no reasonable doubt at all that Greg Lynn murdered Russell Hill. Especially due to the horrible way Lynn covered up his actions afterwards. But the jury found reasonable doubt. So there you go.

And there were others...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Let's put it this way, I had no reasonable doubt at all that Greg Lynn murdered Russell Hill. Especially due to the horrible way Lynn covered up his actions afterwards. But the jury found reasonable doubt. So there you go.

I hate to be a killjoy, but I think she's going to get off.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Let's put it this way, I had no reasonable doubt at all that Greg Lynn murdered Russell Hill. Especially due to the horrible way Lynn covered up his actions afterwards. But the jury found reasonable doubt. So there you go.

I hate to say it but I think she's going to get off.