GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[Porky1]

But at one point she talks about how sad it is that Heather, Gail and Ian have died and she hopes Don survives.

Just just flat couldn't be bothered to remember which close relatives had died.

I remember that interview so vividly as I was observing her body language because I felt she was guilty. I remember thinking she mixed up their names, but scant details were published then and thought maybe she’d been kept updated by Simon/family and maybe she was in fact correct.

I also wondered whether it was her reaction, and her shock, which seemed void of any deep heartfelt response because she was stunned and mortified that she may be responsible.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

I'm starting to think that the rubbish run on Saturday, taking out those cardboard boxes and the rubbish bag, possibly with the plates and utensils wasn't about getting rid of evidence. It might have been more about removing anything potentially toxic from the house to avoid exposing herself or the kids.

I'm wondering this because I don't think she expected anyone to ever find out about the death cap mushrooms. If she was trying to destroy evidence that Saturday afternoon, I’d imagine she would have also gotten rid of the dehydrator right then, along with doing something about her phones, computer, and anything else that could link her to it.

But she didn’t dump the dehydrator until after the hospital suspected the poisoning as death caps. That’s when I think she panicked. Just thinking about her reaction when Dr. Webster confronted her at the hospital and told her it was death cap mushroom poisoning, and asked where she got the mushrooms from. That seems like the moment everything shifted and she started scrambling to cover her tracks.

An interesting thought definitely. Alternatively, maybe she was getting rid of the most incriminating parts (the powder, the plates) as she never anticipated they would go further than a simple enquiry.

 

[SouthAussie]

I've thought this. I'm not particularly au fait with the whole system, especially in Australia. I used to presume that you could appeal but I know that Lucy Letby has been denied one.

Is she likely to get an appeal or does it have to be based on something, like thinking the jury were too exposed to the news etc.

I think that usually Erin would have 28 days (from the date of the verdict) in which to file a Notice of Appeal, and her lawyer would have to think of a legal reason or two (a 'matter of law') for the appeal. Then the appeal application can be granted or denied by the court.

imo

 

[Monstradamus]

I'm starting to think that the rubbish run on Saturday, taking out those cardboard boxes and the rubbish bag, possibly with the plates and utensils wasn't about getting rid of evidence. It might have been more about removing anything potentially toxic from the house to avoid exposing herself or the kids.

I'm wondering this because I don't think she expected anyone to ever find out about the death cap mushrooms. If she was trying to destroy evidence that Saturday afternoon, I’d imagine she would have also gotten rid of the dehydrator right then, along with doing something about her phones, computer, and anything else that could link her to it.

But she didn’t dump the dehydrator until after the hospital suspected the poisoning as death caps. That’s when I think she panicked. Just thinking about her reaction when Dr. Webster confronted her at the hospital and told her it was death cap mushroom poisoning, and asked where she got the mushrooms from. That seems like the moment everything shifted and she started scrambling to cover her tracks.

And oh boy, didn't she panic. He was onto her from the moment he spoke with her. She couldn't get out of that hospital fast enough. No time to check in on Ian and Heather, had to get home (via some place else) to have a little nap. That hospital CC TV is very damning. Is that when she concocted her Asian Grocery story? Her calculating, deranged mind must have been racing during that hour and a half.
One minute Erin Riding Hood is skipping through the woods foraging DCs with a basket and an evil smile, next minute she's on the hook for poisoning her lunch guests and has to come up with various excuses as to why it happened.
No happy ending for this fairy tale, however.

 

[Detechtive]

I think that usually Erin would have 28 days (from the date of the verdict) in which to file a Notice of Appeal, and her lawyer would have to think of a legal reason or two (a 'matter of law') for the appeal. Then the appeal application can be granted or denied by the court.

imo

Probably why Erin was scribbling notes.

 

[Detechtive]

I don’t think so necessarily - I believe no one would have been safe with Erin on the loose. Anyone who hurt her in any way, even unintentionally, could easily have ended up a victim of her foul play.

Thank goodness her children are safe from her now, IMO.

 

[Moll]

The BBC's version of Dr Webster's comments seems slightly sanitised - a heinous individual!

Within minutes of Erin Patterson walking into a tiny hospital in rural Victoria, doctor Chris Webster realised she was a cold-blooded killer.

"I knew," he tells the BBC.

"I thought, 'Okay, yep, you did it, you heinous individual. You've poisoned them all'."

“You did it”: how doctor realised mushroom cook Erin Patterson was a killer

Erin Patterson was found guilty of murdering three relatives with a toxic mushroom lunch.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Lisa4]

And oh boy, didn't she panic. He was onto her from the moment he spoke with her. She couldn't get out of that hospital fast enough.

Oh wow you had me all confused for a bit there... was thinking deja vu had malfunctioned on me!

[Mine below from #17]

Oh yeah she panicked all right.

She saw that look on his face that he wasn't buying a word of it and she knew she was a goner. Couldn't get outa there quick enough could she.

Great minds think alike lol!

 

[MaxDecimus13]

The BBC's version of Dr Webster's comments seems slightly sanitised!

Within minutes of Erin Patterson walking into a tiny hospital in rural Victoria, doctor Chris Webster realised she was a cold-blooded killer.

"I knew," he tells the BBC.

"I thought, 'Okay, yep, you did it, you heinous individual. You've poisoned them all'."

“You did it”: how doctor realised mushroom cook Erin Patterson was a killer

Erin Patterson was found guilty of murdering three relatives with a toxic mushroom lunch.

www.bbc.co.uk

Golly gosh, you rotter, you unlifed them!

 

[Monstradamus]

Golly gosh, you rotter, you unlifed them!

Hope she gets on with her new "Guv"

 

[dalsglen]

Hope she gets on with her new "Guv"

I wonder how she'll get on being told what to do and when to do it.

 

[Lisa4]

Golly gosh, you rotter, you unlifed them!

"I knew," he tells the BBC.

"I thought, 'Okay, yep, you did it, you heinous individual. You've poisoned them all'."

Fair dinkum mate! BBC has unlifed Dr Webster's comments!

 

[JBowie]

I wonder how she'll get on being told what to do and when to do it.

Well, she's been incarcerated since November 2023, so if she isn't used to the routine by now then I guess she never will be.

 

[Lisa4]

I do wonder when those beans are going to be spilled....

 

[SouthAussie]

Well, she's been incarcerated since November, so if she isn't used to the routine by now then I guess she never will be.

And that is November 2023. So, 20 months in remand already.

 

[JBowie]

And that is November 2023. So, 20 months in remand already.

Oops, I omitted that. Now fixed. Thanks.

 

[Ellery84]

They must be; they have their lawyers to direct these news outlets.

They must be confident in their source

What’s the name of the publication?

 

[Bats]

Has there been an appeal lodged? If so, I assume it would be an appeal against the guilty verdict, but what are the grounds to the appeal? It can't be an appeal against the sentence, as it hasn't been handed down yet, surely?

Sorry, I'm just a little confused. I've seen mention of the defence preparing an appeal elsewhere too, and I don't understand why. Thanks.

• Grounds for Appeal:
  Appeals against a guilty verdict are typically based on legal errors made during the trial, such as improper admission or exclusion of evidence, insufficient evidence to support the verdict, or errors in the judge's instructions to the jury.
  
  
• Appealing a Sentence:
  Defendants can also appeal the sentence if they believe it is too harsh, seeking a more lenient sentence.
  
  
• Time Limits:
  There are time limits for filing an appeal, usually within 28 days of the original court decision. It's crucial to adhere to these deadlines.

 

[Monstradamus]

• Grounds for Appeal:
  Appeals against a guilty verdict are typically based on legal errors made during the trial, such as improper admission or exclusion of evidence, insufficient evidence to support the verdict, or errors in the judge's instructions to the jury.
  
  
• Appealing a Sentence:
  Defendants can also appeal the sentence if they believe it is too harsh, seeking a more lenient sentence.
  
  
• Time Limits:
  There are time limits for filing an appeal, usually within 28 days of the original court decision. It's crucial to adhere to these deadlines.

It seems Justice Beale has ensured he has adequately covered himself and the trial. I'm guessing EP won't fade into obscurity though. She will Appeal, I have no doubt about it.

 

[CityKid]

As she is an Accountant, she would have been across every aspect of her finances, and how to minimise tax. In addition to ensuring that her benefits were claimed. Simons tax status would have 3 dependents until he changed to single, this also affects Medicare and Private Health insurance. I suspect their financial status was complex.

The link below says "In her mid-20s, Patterson left her science course and pursued a degree in accounting." It does not say she has a degree or full qualifications as an accountant in Australia. Does she have the relevant Bachelor of Science degree? Professional experience? Is she a CPA? With her money and properties, MOO she would have been advised to hire someone whose field of expertise is taxation and possibly estate planning.

Erin Patterson's personal life revealed after she was found guilty

Court testimony has revealed details about Erin Patterson's personal life.

www.dailymail.co.uk