GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[iamshadow21]

I find it astounding that a group of women who claimed to be so sleuthy in true crime matters, that you couldn't see that true evil was under your noses.

It is typical of poisoners, especially family poisoners, to act covertly and present a different face to the outside world.

Unlike violent crime, poisoning often has no overt precipitating acts foreshadowing it. And even extremely violent murders sometimes don't have, for example, years of violent behaviour beforehand.

Even experts cannot accurately assess dangerousness in individuals. This is because there are a large amount of factors in play in the lead up to a premeditated crime. So the idea that a group of online friends should have been able to spot a future murderer through the internet is ridiculous.

MOO

 

[Spectrix]

I find it astounding that a group of women who claimed to be so sleuthy in true crime matters, that you couldn't see that true evil was under your noses.

I believe, at least later on, that Detechtive was well aware that Erin Patterson had issues. But it's not like you're going to predict someone is about to suddenly murder their in-laws.

 

[Montrealaise]

Definitely. She didn't start with Simon. Much earlier, imo.

I'll bet that anyone who ever ate food cooked by Erin Patterson is having the heebie-jeebies right now.

 

[Montrealaise]

I find it astounding that a group of women who claimed to be so sleuthy in true crime matters, that you couldn't see that true evil was under your noses.

True evil can be very good at hiding its true face under a facade.

 

[Montrealaise]

I'm sure not all of it will come into play when sentencing, but not only was it mass murder, it was planned well in advance, it targeted elderly, upstanding citizens who appeared to be the most wonderful people with forgiveness and love in their hearts, and was done by a cold blooded murderer who never once showed any real compassion or emotion towards her "loved ones".

It was murder (and attempted murder) in the sneakiest, most underhanded way possible: she laced her victims' food with deadly poisons. Should the judge be inclined to give her a lenient sentence or the possibility of being paroled, I hope he will first ask himself:

If she does get out of prison, what's to prevent her from doing this again?

 

[Spectrix]

It was murder (and attempted murder) in the sneakiest, most underhanded way possible: she laced her victims' food with deadly poisons. Should the judge be inclined to give her a lenient sentence or the possibility of being paroled, I hope he will first ask himself:

If she does get out of prison, what's to prevent her from doing this again?

I firmly believe that if she hadn't been caught, she'd have kept right on doing the same to others.

In the judge's closing statements, it sometimes felt as if he was a little biased towards Erin, but I suspect he was doing his best to ensure that the trial was as appeal-proof as possible, just to make sure she's not able to do this again.

It'll be interesting to see what he does with sentencing.

 

[Detechtive]

I believe, at least later on, that Detechtive was well aware that Erin Patterson had issues. But it's not like you're going to predict someone is about to suddenly murder their in-laws.

Well I certainly did know something was wrong with her which is why I got rid of her from my life. Along with her awful friends. The reason our group imploded was because of me coming to blows with Erin about her hideous behaviour.

Nobody should take blame for not knowing a mass murder was under their nose while they are working over time trying to groom and manipulate everyone. She certainly succeeded grooming everyone else much more than she did with me.

In any case, the people trying to look at periphery people in this matter are short sighted. It’s not about anyone other than Erin. Nothing else is relevant, unless of course if anyone assisted Erin in killing these people or hiding evidence.

The women in her group when she murdered people and spoke to them every day should really be self examining though, because they all the refused to confront Erin on her behaviour until after she was charged. IMO even then, the majority failed to go to police with crucial evidence.

Edit to add: Erin appeared to different people to be a different character. She trends to conquer by division, and she played different roles with different people after learning their weak points, just like most psychopaths do. So, that’s how she was able to avoid detection.

Edit #2: all these new members suddenly coming out of the woodwork. Definitely not suspicious

 

[MrJ]

With regards to the comment of not seeing evil under one's nose, that statement is similar to asking why someone in a dangerous relationship doesn't just leave. Real life is not that simple, with many factors coming into play. Most wouldn't think their friend could be capable of such a drastic and terrible act

 

[Detechtive]

With regards to the comment of not seeing evil under one's nose, that statement is similar to asking why someone in a dangerous relationship doesn't just leave. Real life is not that simple, with many factors coming into play. Most wouldn't think their friend could be capable of such a drastic and terrible act

It’s a form of victim blaming and it’s very common around Erin’s friends. A lot of them are still blaming Simon for this, too. Insane.

 

[Detechtive]

Yes, psychopaths are often deemed charming and charismatic - perhaps skilled communicators. The cowardly murderer in this case seems to be none of those.

She actually is very charming in text. None of us met her in person which is another way she managed to sculpt her persona.

Even her “best friends” she only lived within 30 minutes drive of, yet never met them. I’m sure that was to disguise who she really is.

In our group we all shared videos of ourselves, she didn’t. On purpose.

 

[Megnut]

I'll bet that anyone who ever ate food cooked by Erin Patterson is having the heebie-jeebies right now.

Especially the youngest ones.

 

[MrJ]

Wonder if the ABC and other media outlets will be live-blogging the pre-sentencing hearing

 

[Megnut]

Well I certainly did know something was wrong with her which is why I got rid of her from my life. Along with her awful friends. The reason our group imploded was because of me coming to blows with Erin about her hideous behaviour.

Nobody should take blame for not knowing a mass murder was under their nose while they are working over time trying to groom and manipulate everyone. She certainly succeeded grooming everyone else much more than she did with me.

In any case, the people trying to look at periphery people in this matter are short sighted. It’s not about anyone other than Erin. Nothing else is relevant, unless of course if anyone assisted Erin in killing these people or hiding evidence.

The women in her group when she murdered people and spoke to them every day should really be self examining though, because they all the refused to confront Erin on her behaviour until after she was charged. IMO even then, the majority failed to go to police with crucial evidence.

Edit to add: Erin appeared to different people to be a different character. She trends to conquer by division, and she played different roles with different people after learning their weak points, just like most psychopaths do. So, that’s how she was able to avoid detection.

Edit #2: all these new members suddenly coming out of the woodwork. Definitely not suspicious

I think you alluded to this once -- did she create multiple online personas? She strikes me as someone who always needs to be "winning" (though no one ekse really knows what the contest is). Master of triangulation.

JMO

 

[Detechtive]

I think you alluded to this once -- did she create multiple online personas? She strikes me as someone who always needs to be "winning" (though no one ekse really knows what the contest is). Master of triangulation.

Yes many fake personas, but she managed to manipulate other people to do a lot of her bidding, too. You’ll see this behaviour in this thread.

I’m still putting together a list of all of her online personas. It’s extremely creepy to be learning more as time goes on.

 

[Megnut]

Poisoning is so personal -- and passive aggressive, not unlike the proverbial cook spitting in an unruly patron's order. Something EP yook to the extreme of extremes. Rather than work through differences, communicate, cooperate, reach an agreement (you know, where everyone wins), I susoect EP learned early in life that she could retaliate (restore her control) against those who bothered her (sounds like just about everybody eventually) by hiding toxins in food. Every death in her orbit ought to be revisited. Someone not dying fast enough (to suit her), I imagine she might have a potion for that.

Chef? She wasn't even a good cook. No, she was now of a sorcerer, if you ask me. Making wicked connections to punish, eliminate and win.

And that is one disordered personailty.

JMO

 

[JBowie]

she was now of a sorcerer, if you ask me. Making wicked connections to punish, eliminate and win.

Have to wonder why she chose this particular avatar:

 

[Detechtive]

Poisoning is so personal -- and passive aggressive, not unlike the proverbial cook spitting in an unruly patron's order. Something EP yook to the extreme of extremes. Rather than work through differences, communicate, cooperate, reach an agreement (you know, where everyone wins), I susoect EP learned early in life that she could retaliate (restore her control) against those who bothered her (sounds like just about everybody eventually) by hiding toxins in food. Every death in her orbit ought to be revisited. Someone not dying fast enough (to suit her), I imagine she might have a potion for that.

Chef? She wasn't even a good cook. No, she was now of a sorcerer, if you ask me. Making wicked connections to punish, eliminate and win.

And that is one disordered personailty.

JMO

Absolutely. I think there's a reason her original Facebook Profile was a witch. IMO

 

[Detechtive]

@JBowie the crazy thing about that post - about how she had a cleaner come in behind Simon's back - I remember when she told our group that at the time. I remember that was one of the first things that alerted me to something not being quite right with her. I found it very strange that on one hand she was claiming he was coercive, but on the other, she must have had at least enough dominion over finances and the physical space of the house in order to hide something like that from her husband.

Of course, when you put the timeline together, she didn't even live with Simon at that time. That was yet another falsehood she told everyone to shape her narrative.

 

[Tweet57]

I have appreciated your posts @Detechtive giving us insights into Erin’s personality etc. I am surprised that more past school and work colleagues or friends haven’t come forward. Erin is certainly a complex person (stating the obvious). I just cannot understand what lead to her to committing such shocking acts.

 

[Megnut]

I have appreciated your posts @Detechtive giving us insights into Erin’s personality etc. I am surprised that more past school and work colleagues or friends haven’t come forward. Erin is certainly a complex person (stating the obvious). I just cannot understand what lead to her to committing such shocking acts.

Actually I think she's very simple and one dimensional. Petty.

She's not complex. She creates complexity. Drama maker.

Everyone is a pawn in her chess set.

JMO