GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

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  • #281
Sincere question. Do you also think she had nothing to do with Simon's prior poisonings? It's just bad luck that so many people keep getting poisoned around her, after eating food she prepared? While she never gets sick from her food.
I applaud your ability to engage! Unfortunately it's been quite clear that her supporters dodge answering questions like these because they don't have a strong case and I feel deep down they know it too.
 
  • #282
But at one point she talks about how sad it is that Heather, Gail and Ian have died and she hopes Don survives.

Just just flat couldn't be bothered to remember which close relatives had died.

MOO
Imagine her internal monologue making that statement…
‘Be sure to say “I hope Don SURVIVES” not DIES’. That would have even enough to cause her confusion over Ian and Don’s health.
 
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  • #283
I think that usually Erin would have 28 days (from the date of the verdict) in which to file a Notice of Appeal, and her lawyer would have to think of a legal reason or two (a 'matter of law') for the appeal. Then the appeal application can be granted or denied by the court.

imo
Her personality screams that she will pursue this in courts at every level available. And I foresee that she will ditch her defence counsel and go with someone else that she deems more capable. Wouldn’t be surprised if she tries to take her current representatives for a wash.
 
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  • #284
An interesting article in the SMH. It describes the experience of a guy who cooked and ate death caps 25 years ago and was very lucky to survive.

The article mentions that the DC toxin is so resilient that a DC mushroom can be charred black and be no less lethal.

Survivors of death cap mushroom poisoning are rare. This man lived to tell the tale. Simon Claringbold picked and ate some wild mushrooms from his garden. Days later, he thought he was taking his last breaths.

(pay-walled for some)

 
  • #285
Hmm. Who could these people possibly be, calling Dr Webster a misogynist because he used derogatory language about a murderer?
Delusional?
 
  • #286
Her personality screams that’s she will pursue this in courts at every level available. And I foresee that she will ditch her defence counsel and go with someone else that she deems more capable. Wouldn’t be surprised if she tries to take her current representatives for a wash.

I'm inclined to agree. It would not surprise me if she decided to represent herself at an appeal.
 
  • #287
Hmm. Who could these people possibly be, calling Dr Webster a misogynist because he used derogatory language about a murderer?
Erin’s commentary about her interactions with Dr Webster whilst she was on the stand suggested, to me, that she despised him - his tone of voice, his lack of finesse in the choice of words he used to communicate about the seriousness of the situation faced by the others - primarily because he is a medical authority who suspected her guilt which carries more clout than the seemingly dotty older family member or jilted ex. So attacking Dr Webster’s personal qualities was really her only means of detracting from his credibility.
And if you have a male professional who does their job competently, what other leg are you going to have to stand on than pull the whole misogyny card? It’s appalling.
 
  • #288
EP was born in 1974, and the story I linked below says "In her mid-20s, Patterson left her science course and pursued a degree in accounting." That would be in the early 2000s. It also says "In 2001, she also sat for an Air Services class photo - which included all the trainee air traffic controllers for that year" and "Patterson was not an air traffic controller for long before she transitioned to working in animal management for the RSPCA at Monash City Council. It was here, in 2004, where she met her ex-husband Simon Patterson." She had at least two jobs after she "pursued a degree in accounting" and neither would have afforded her the three years of practical experience to qualify as a CPA. And SP and EP only met after she'd left her accounting studies. MOO she may have done some bookkeeping and represented herself to SP as an accountant despite never having been one. He had nothing to "witness" about her jobs before the RSPCA because they didn't know each other.



Former colleagues described Erin as a solitary, odd and strange young woman who was a bit of a loner and could be abrupt, abrasive and rude.

She was also the only person in the 14-person air traffic controller training group who declined every invitation to social activities and events.

Accounts from former air traffic controller colleagues painted a picture of Patterson as a crafty employee who would call in sick pretending to be other workers so that she could pick up lucrative shifts.


-> Who does that? IMO that act defines Patterson to a tee.


In January 2009, they welcomed their first child, after what Patterson called the 'very traumatic' birth of her son.

Her experience led to a mistrust of doctors, with Patterson telling the jury she would often question whether they knew what they were doing.


-> Why does that not surprise me?
 
  • #289
Curious about Simon’s prior poisonings …. Obviously I’m no expert, but one of the common murder poisons is Ethylene glycol (found in antifreeze). I don’t think bright fluoro liquid would be easy to hide in curry, bolognese, beef stew … but it can be purchased clear (painting, art supply). It can be described as neutral to sweet taste & clear viscous liquid. It could be possible

Oddly enough, no info about including it in recipes or how high temps impact it - In addition to the curry, bolognese & stew, She baked cookies - wonder could it make cookies chewey? Or include in a frosting or filling?

symptoms below from wiki

 
  • #290

Intensive care doctor Stephen Warrillow details agonising efforts to save Erin Patterson's mushroom murder victims​


"They were devastatingly unwell," Dr Warrillow told 7.30.




All four presented to the hospital with severe symptoms and were treated by a team led by Dr Stephen Warrillow, who is Director of Intensive Care at Austin Health.

Toxins and transplants​

Dr Warrillow said all four patients were then put on mechanical ventilators and dialysis-style machines to try and purify their blood.

"Liver transplantation is one of the most complex and lengthy surgical procedures that we would ever do," he said.

"The patient has to be sick enough to need one, but well enough to get through the surgery.

"It takes essentially an entire day and for the theatre team, this is really a marathon.

"It's quite a remarkable outcome for him that he was ultimately able to survive and could recover so well in the end."

Dr Warrillow told 7.30 that he and the treatment team had advised Ian Wilkinson's family it was likely he would die and credited his fortitude and the work of his nurses for his survival.

"Ultimately he stabilised and that took a lot of work from, particularly the bedside nurses, to provide extraordinary measures of support for his circulation, and to try and clear toxins from his blood," he said.

"They did a tremendous job with that."

7.30 ( click for video of ICU Dr )
This is so hard to read. I can only imagine how the doctors, nurses and health teams must have felt trying desperately to save Don, Gail, Heather and Ian! And how Erin, who said she was too panicked to admit the source of the mushrooms sat playing weasel word games on the stand. Vile! No remorse, no empathy.

Is it any wonder that Dr. Webster blew his top? I bet each and every medical professional who worked so hard that week, now knowing about her lies is just as angry at Erin.
 
  • #291
Thanks! Someone else (I wish I could find the post to give full credit!) had basically put together a timeline of her CV, which IMO doesn't pass the smell test. She spends a good amount of time training for one thing (air traffic controller, for one example), then soon gets caught behaving unprofessionally (pretending to be co-workers calling in sick so she could pick up their extra shifts), then she's on to studying at a new career.
Her patchy CV certainly says something about her. She wasn't able to stick at one thing.

I watched a video today where somebody posited the idea that she was deeply unsatisfied with how her life had turned out for a very intelligent person, and maybe felt stuck in Leongatha because of family ties etc. This was one way she could have moved and started again somewhere else.

I'm not sure about that, but I'm sure she felt some professional frustration. For all her mum achieved academically, she didn't really do anything successfully.
 
  • #292
The thing is that I have doubts that she deliberately did what she's been convicted of.
Can you explain why you have doubts that it was deliberate?
 
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Her patchy CV certainly says something about her. She wasn't able to stick at one thing.

I watched a video today where somebody posited the idea that she was deeply unsatisfied with how her life had turned out for a very intelligent person, and maybe felt stuck in Leongatha because of family ties etc. This was one way she could have moved and started again somewhere else.

I'm not sure about that, but I'm sure she felt some professional frustration. For all her mum achieved academically, she didn't really do anything successfully.
I agree, she was bored out of her brain. Hadn't worked for around 20 years, where most people gain a sense of achievement and purpose. Could never live up to expectations, flitted between her online fantasy world and her at home fantasy world, i.e Lego, Star Wars.

Erin Erin Erin. Me me me.

I for one am very happy with the verdict, I believe it's just and well deserved. I hope her fellow inmates are on their toes, because she is a force to be reckoned with, imo.
 
  • #295
I was honestly surprised at the Doctor coming out saying the things he did and the words he used.
You were surprised? He saw Ian and Heather in agony in the hospital and he knew that Erin wasn't telling the truth. She didn't even ask how the others were going and couldn't get out of the hospital quickly enough after Dr Webster spoke to her. Doctors are human as well. No wonder he's angry. Erin Patterson is an evil monster!
 
  • #296
I agree, she was bored out of her brain. Hadn't worked for around 20 years, where most people gain a sense of achievement and purpose. Could never live up to expectations, flitted between her online fantasy world and her at home fantasy world, i.e Lego, Star Wars.

Erin Erin Erin. Me me me.

I for one am very happy with the verdict, I believe it's just and well deserved. I hope her fellow inmates are on their toes, because she is a force to be reckoned with, imo.
Me too. I hope they keep her away from the prison kitchen.
 
  • #297

The ABC announced last week that Toxic, “a layered and intricate series” exploring the events surrounding the beef wellington lunch, had been commissioned from producer Tony Ayres. Hachette will publish Recipe for Murder, a book by Duncan McNab, in October, with Allen & Unwin releasing The Mushroom Murders by Greg Haddrick shortly after.

The cast of characters covering the trial included nine authors, seven podcast producers, seven documentary crews and a television drama series, a spokesperson for the court told the media on Wednesday.



McNab & Haddrick are great authors IMO

I can certainly vouch for Greg Haddrick. His book about the Wonnangatta murders of Russell Hill and Carol Clay was very good and contained many details that had never been released.

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  • #298
You were surprised? He saw Ian and Heather in agony in the hospital and he knew that Erin wasn't telling the truth. She didn't even ask how the others were going and couldn't get out of the hospital quickly enough after Dr Webster spoke to her. Doctors are human as well. No wonder he's angry. Erin Patterson is an evil monster!
100% and like everyone else, he has also had two years to stew on the case, the BS details that trickled out about the Asian grocer, the burner phones, bush poop, body image/bullemia/surgery/BS etc, and has formulated his own thoughts and opinion of her…as have all of us!
I’m sure his initial account to police was far less colourful than this most recent take on the situation that unfolded.
I actually appreciate the frankness and reality of his synopsis of the situation and Erin’s presentation and demeanour at the hospital.
We now know between the poisoned meal and presenting to Dr Webster at hospital, she did a tip-run to dispose of key evidence, did a 200km round trip, bought a bunch of servo snacks, and disposed of more key evidence toilet bins.
She wasn’t presenting at the hospital in a feeble condition, this was a scheming, calculated and heartless woman who I imagine set off all his spidey senses!
 
  • #299
One of the hallmarks of a narcissist. All their problems are caused by someone else and they project their own behaviour onto those around them. Impossible to live with.
Right! And she accuses Simon and his family of lacking self-insight.
 
  • #300
The thing is that I have doubts that she deliberately did what she's been convicted of.
Do you think chucking a dehydrator filled with death cap residue is an accidental thing? Is it possible that her Facebook messages are spur of the moment or as I believe deeper insights into what she truly felt about her in laws? Do you think that having a different coloured plate to distinguish your non poisoned portion is an accident or further proof of calculated, cold-blooded murder? Do you think no less than three factory resets of her phone are the actions of an innocent person? I'm interested in your thoughts
 
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