GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[Detechtive]

This is what has been reported:

Text messages between Patterson and a close friend reported on in 2023 had revealed the triple murderer had disliked her mum since she was a child.

After Heather's death, the mushroom cook confided to a friend claiming she had a "horrible upbringing" and that her mother was "essentially a cold robot".

"My mum was ultra weird her whole life. It was like being brought up in a Russian orphanage where they don't touch the babies," she texted a friend.

However, although unlikely to happen I guess, it would be interesting to hear her sister's own account of life at home as kids.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/crime/ultra-weird-erin-patterson-rarely-saw-mother-while-exhusband-visited-with-their-two-kids-as-texts-reveal-killers-dysfunctional-family-relationship/news-story/6444414692b80194c7c98ad3d90db87b

Im not sure I believe Erin about that either.

 

[Detechtive]

Didn't EP state in her testimony that the last Beef Wellington was prepared for Simon?
She tried her hardest to talk him into attending, and I believe invited Ian and Heather to encourage Simon to come and enjoy her "special" meal.

I hope the DPP goes ahead with the Attempted Murder charges

I don't really see the point. She will be in there for life, IMO and it is a huge cost to tax payers.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

And to further clarify what I was saying; IF Erin actually did get diarrhea, she induced it herself- not from the Beef Wellingtons, but from pigging out on cake, drinking coffee, and eating things on top of that like greasy hotdogs and a sandwich with chili in it. All things that could upset your stomach from the acid/grease, amounts...

Agreed. She could have used laxatives to get the effect she was after. However, I don't even think she did that, she just told everyone she had diarrhea instead. Allegedly her daughter saw her go to the bathroom a lot (if memory serves me correctly) but that proves nothing. The day after, she made a long car trip - in her infamous cream pants - when she supposedly was still ill. However she never stopped to use the bathroom anywhere (for toileting at least), but did have an emergency poo in the bushes. Yeah right. Then on the Monday when she was at hospital, she couldn't rustle up a stool sample, instead trying to pass off urine as watery stools. Her pathology results were mostly unremarkable, certainly nothing indicated anywhere near the problems her victims were experiencing. She simply was not sick.

Yup! She thought that surely #6 time would be the charm. And that was the poisoned one they found in the trash, since Simon finally learned his lesson not to eat her food. If only he'd warned his relatives...

He did. Well, not warning so much as telling some of his relatives about his concerns that she was poisoning him. His Dad knew prior to the lunch. Although they weren't invited to the lunch, and may not have even known about it, Simon's brother was also aware of his concerns, and a cousin even brought it up to Simon himself. A doctor/church friend was also aware and didn't take it further. I guess if several people don't think it's a big enough deal to take action on, then you start to think maybe you're being crazy or dramatic, especially if you appear to be the only target.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/chicken-korma-suspicions-and-a-spreadsheet-did-erin-try-to-kill-her-estranged-husband/news-story/b6fe9e94ef8f47f83866f67696a74257

 

[Detechtive]

Agreed. She could have used laxatives to get the effect she was after. However, I don't even think she did that, she just told everyone she had diarrhea instead. Allegedly her daughter saw her go to the bathroom a lot (if memory serves me correctly) but that proves nothing. The day after, she made a long car trip - in her infamous cream pants - when she supposedly was still ill. However she never stopped to use the bathroom anywhere (for toileting at least), but did have an emergency poo in the bushes. Yeah right. Then on the Monday when she was at hospital, she couldn't rustle up a stool sample, instead trying to pass off urine as watery stools. Her pathology results were mostly unremarkable, certainly nothing indicated anywhere near the problems her victims were experiencing. She simply was not sick.


He did. Well, not warning so much as telling some of his relatives about his concerns that she was poisoning him. His Dad knew prior to the lunch. Although they weren't invited to the lunch, and may not have even known about it, Simon's brother was also aware of his concerns, and a cousin even brought it up to Simon himself. A doctor/church friend was also aware and didn't take it further. I guess if several people don't think it's a big enough deal to take action on, then you start to think maybe you're being crazy or dramatic, especially if you appear to be the only target.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/chicken-korma-suspicions-and-a-spreadsheet-did-erin-try-to-kill-her-estranged-husband/news-story/b6fe9e94ef8f47f83866f67696a74257

To be fair to Simon, I have had a lot of surgeries in the past couple of years. It took the doctors too many recurrent bouts of illness to figure out what was going on with me. Nobody was linking things up. It's the nature of healthcare, sometimes, and lack of proper aftercare. Also, being so incredibly unwell would have taken a massive toll on his mental health, confidence, not to mention painkillers/opiates messing up his system and mental faculties. He was probably in a state of PTSD after the emergency surgeries and being in a coma in ICU for 16 days.

He was probably only just starting to fully recover when his family were killed.

 

[Monstradamus]

I don't really see the point. She will be in there for life, IMO and it is a huge cost to tax payers.

And I suppose dipping into the children's future inheritance further.

 

[LockHerUp]

They’re using my name because I was mentioned in the pre trial and the trial because I was meant to be a prosecution witness. The only reason I was not was because I had serious medical issues and surgeries and was medically excused.

The media reports on this are wrong.

The admin here have verified this information.

How bloody frustrating for you, I am sure you would have been a great witness. Hope you are better now.

 

[Monstradamus]

To be fair to Simon, I have had a lot of surgeries in the past couple of years. It took the doctors too many recurrent bouts of illness to figure out what was going on with me. Nobody was linking things up. It's the nature of healthcare, sometimes, and lack of proper aftercare. Also, being so incredibly unwell would have taken a massive toll on his mental health, confidence, not to mention painkillers/opiates messing up his system and mental faculties. He was probably in a state of PTSD after the emergency surgeries and being in a coma in ICU for 16 days.

He was probably only just starting to fully recover when his family were killed.

And she complained that he was laying around doing nothing whilst recovering from a mysterious illness and surgery/lengthy hospital stay that she most likely caused.
The absolute gall of her.
JMO

 

[LockHerUp]

Here's a photo of my summons if you don't believe me.

No doubt here, I just know I wouldn't appreciate my name through the media, especially attached to stories about such a horrible person. I was more wondering what right/s you have to them using your name without permission.

 

[Charlot123]

Curious as to why you'd take it without questioning. Bryan Kohlberger also tried the "I have autism" defense as a justification for murder.

And, it is highly likely that he does have autism. If the doctors evaluating him gave him the diagnosis, so be it.

I just think that his autism was pretty high-functioning and did not prevent him from understanding right from wrong.

In itself, autism is neither provoking nor protective factor for the crime. The spectrum is so huge and the genes associated with it, so different that in terms of murders, the whole spectrum leads us nowhere.

I am not a lawyer but I think what can be protective is potentially insanity defense - not understanding right from wrong, or being unable to take control of their impulses at the time of the crime.

Insanity defense - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Neither Kohberger who used gloves and switched off the cellphone, e.g., demonstrated planning and preparedness to the crime, nor Erin Patterson who prepared two different versions of beef Wellington, used dehydrator and later threw it away (didn’t she also use a different color of the plate for herself?) show any impulsivity. The opposite. Why they thought it was a great idea to kill people is another matter. But they knew it was a wrong action and took the time to plan and prepare. Their plans failed.

In a different way, one can ask, “and if you knew that you had autism and it interfered with your life and relationships, why didn’t you seek help? Instead of meticulously planning how to kill people and not get caught? You perfectly well knew that it was wrong, did you not?”

 

[Monstradamus]

I am very frustrated by it and two news orgs have removed it, because it is defamatory. Also, CH said I was outing witnesses. No, I did tell my close friends who were going to be witnesses, but I didn't say it publicly. I was fuming that the others weren't going forward to the police. I was the person who pushed the first witness to go to the police, who then pushed the two others. None of them were going to go forth and do the right thing. I couldn't believe it. They had a lot of evidence in that group and I think it helped convict her - eg: The mushroom images in the dehydrator, the posts about "putting mushroom in my kids foods", the hostile posts about his family, etc.


Pretty sure the police didn't know about the group at all until my statement. Also, that cat photo - someone else provided that to police, not me. I've never seen it before. However, it was written in the name "Erin Erin" and some of my evidence linked that name to the cat photo, which is how that got misconstrued.

It's rubbish journalism. I can't believe they are allowed to get away with it.

I can't believe it took EP's "friends" so long to co-operate with police. Was it a while after she was arrested?

 

[Monstradamus]

P.S I do kind of feel sorry for most of them though, even though they are ripping into me everywhere. They were groomed by Erin, and brainwashed, IMO. That is very confusing and traumatic. To think that you were friends with someone so capable of such heinous behaviour is traumatic.

Also, one of them in the group was threatening everyone not to talk to anyone about it outside the group, and not to go to the police. Also trying to intimidate witnesses online. Very stupid move.

I guess they were led to believe that Simon was the evil one. They fell for her lies. I agree there was grooming going on, she had a lot of power over them, it seems.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

To be fair to Simon, I have had a lot of surgeries in the past couple of years. It took the doctors too many recurrent bouts of illness to figure out what was going on with me. Nobody was linking things up. It's the nature of healthcare, sometimes, and lack of proper aftercare. Also, being so incredibly unwell would have taken a massive toll on his mental health, confidence, not to mention painkillers/opiates messing up his system and mental faculties. He was probably in a state of PTSD after the emergency surgeries and being in a coma in ICU for 16 days.

He was probably only just starting to fully recover when his family were killed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing Simon at all. It must have taken a lot to even have the thought of "What if....." in the first place. To gather evidence and take notes meant he wanted to be sure before coming forward. I just wish that everyone he told took it as seriously as he did. As surreal as it sounds to say "I think my wife is poisoning me", he did it, but didn't get the responses that could have avoided this whole tragedy. Easy to see in hindsight, but not as obvious in real time. Just a horrible series of events that lead to this, at the hands of a, a .... I can't even find the right word for her.

 

[Charlot123]

P.S I do kind of feel sorry for most of them though, even though they are ripping into me everywhere. They were groomed by Erin, and brainwashed, IMO. That is very confusing and traumatic. To think that you were friends with someone so capable of such heinous behaviour is traumatic.

Also, one of them in the group was threatening everyone not to talk to anyone about it outside the group, and not to go to the police. Also trying to intimidate witnesses online. Very stupid move.

If EP made you feel scared, and she probably did because you took screenshots and kept them, you did the right thing IMHO.

 

[drsleuth]

I don't really see the point. She will be in there for life, IMO and it is a huge cost to tax payers.

That maybe so, but I think that Simon deserves his day in court & for Erin to be accountable for the horror she put him thru.

All victims deserve justice IMO

It must have been so painful & frustrating for him to testify, knowing all he knows & couldn't say. If it were me, I'd feel so cheated & I would be angry.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I do agree. I think it's likely they are just such nice good people that they probably couldn't seriously contemplate that someone would do such a thing? That's all I can imagine.
He must feel awful

I agree, I think they were all lovely people with so much to offer, and the inability to think bad of anyone. I have tried to put myself in the shoes of anyone Simon approached with his concerns, and I have to say, my first thought would likely be "That's insane." You think that kind of stuff only happens in Agatha Christie novels. Oh, wait.....

 

[JBowie]

P.S I do kind of feel sorry for most of them though, even though they are ripping into me everywhere. They were groomed by Erin, and brainwashed, IMO. That is very confusing and traumatic. To think that you were friends with someone so capable of such heinous behaviour is traumatic.

Also, one of them in the group was threatening everyone not to talk to anyone about it outside the group, and not to go to the police. Also trying to intimidate witnesses online. Very stupid move.

Not only stupid, but sailing close to criminal offences:

In Victoria, interfering with a police investigation is a criminal offence. Individuals can be charged for actions that obstruct or hinder a police investigation, including providing false information, concealing evidence, or intimidating witnesses. Specific legislation like the Crimes Act 1958 and Victoria Police Act 2013 address these actions, with penalties including fines and imprisonment. -- Wiki.

(The Crimes Act 1958 runs to 866 pages.)

 

[Monstradamus]

P.S I do kind of feel sorry for most of them though, even though they are ripping into me everywhere. They were groomed by Erin, and brainwashed, IMO. That is very confusing and traumatic. To think that you were friends with someone so capable of such heinous behaviour is traumatic.

Also, one of them in the group was threatening everyone not to talk to anyone about it outside the group, and not to go to the police. Also trying to intimidate witnesses online. Very stupid move.

Probably because their own bad behaviour would come to light.

 

[LockHerUp]

I am very frustrated by it and two news orgs have removed it, because it is defamatory. Also, CH said I was outing witnesses. No, I did tell my close friends who were going to be witnesses, but I didn't say it publicly. I was fuming that the others weren't going forward to the police. I was the person who pushed the first witness to go to the police, who then pushed the two others. None of them were going to go forth and do the right thing. I couldn't believe it. They had a lot of evidence in that group and I think it helped convict her - eg: The mushroom images in the dehydrator, the posts about "putting mushroom in my kids foods", the hostile posts about his family, etc.


Pretty sure the police didn't know about the group at all until my statement. Also, that cat photo - someone else provided that to police, not me. I've never seen it before. However, it was written in the name "Erin Erin" and some of my evidence linked that name to the cat photo, which is how that got misconstrued.

It's rubbish journalism. I can't believe they are allowed to get away with it.

Agree, the evidence from JK, DB, and CH assisted to paint her in her true light. Well done on pushing them to provide the evidence. I wonder aloud if they agree with the guilty verdict, must have been a hard realisation to grasp. In reference to an earlier post I made where I questioned challenging her evil, the messages about D&G should have been challenged IMO, a good friend would callout it was not there business to get involved with, and no I am not suggesting they could have prevented what she did, simply stating that decent people would call out her anger towards these people being misguided.
As for this bloody cat ... it sure is getting a mention.

 

[LockHerUp]

P.S I do kind of feel sorry for most of them though, even though they are ripping into me everywhere. They were groomed by Erin, and brainwashed, IMO. That is very confusing and traumatic. To think that you were friends with someone so capable of such heinous behaviour is traumatic.

Also, one of them in the group was threatening everyone not to talk to anyone about it outside the group, and not to go to the police. Also trying to intimidate witnesses online. Very stupid move.

Could that person be charged for obstruction of justice, or something else? Agree with you on feeling sorry for some of them. I think they got caught up in a pack mentality originally, and then it went to a different level. I hope they have real friends to support them.

 

[Kemug]

It may be better for the children to know the full truth, ie that their mother tried to murder their father, several times. I really don't know.