GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

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(c) SPO[275] – THE ACCUSED’S POST REGARDING MUSHROOMS POISONING CAT


  1. TheSummary of Prosecution Opening states, relevantly (footnotes deleted):



  1. Theaccused submitted that the evidence was irrelevant, noting that the mushroomsshown in the photographs are not death cap mushrooms.The accused submitted thatthe provenance of the photos is also uncertain. The accused submitted that ifrelevant, the probativevalue of the evidence was outweighed by the danger ofunfair prejudice.


The prosecution submitted that the evidence is relevant as it shows theaccused’s continuing interest in poisons. The prosecutionsubmitted thatthe provenance of the photographs is not uncertain as the same images were foundon an SD card seized from the accused’shome.


  1. This post occurred 18 months prior to Event 1. In my view, even if the evidenceof this post shows an interest in poisons, it is temporally remote. I note thatin Ruling 1, I excluded evidence regarding the accused downloading articles about poisons - see Summaryof Prosecution Opening at [274] and [276]— because they were more than two years or one year prior to Event 1 and were thus temporally remote.
(d) SPO[277], [282], [286], [288], [322-324] – CELL TOWER EVIDENCE REGARDINGUNDISPUTED TRIPS BY THE ACCUSED


  1. TheSummary of Prosecution Opening states, relevantly (footnotes deleted):



  1. Theaccused submitted that to adduce cell tower evidence in relation to the datesand times of undisputed trip would be a waste oftime and should be excludedunder s 135. The accused indicated that dates and times of travel can be led by agreement.

  1. Theprosecution submitted that evidence bearing on a matter that is not in disputeis not thereby rendered irrelevant. The prosecutionsubmitted that the celltower evidence provides time certainty, which is especially relevant in relationto Event 2.

  1. Inrelation to [322] of the Summary of Prosecution Opening, I note that I ruled inRuling 4 that evidence of theaccused’s disposal of items at the tip on 29 July 2023 is inadmissible asincriminating conduct. Even ifthe cell tower evidence of this trip has some slight residual relevance, theevidence is excluded by s 137 because its probative value is outweighed bythe danger that the jury will engage in impermissible incriminating conductreasoning.
  2. Inrelation to the other undisputed trips, if there is an agreement of facts between the prosecution and the accused pursuant to s 191 as to the datesand times of these trips, it would be a waste of court time for the prosecution to lead cell tower evidenceabout those trips. Once that signed agreement offacts is filed, I will excludethe cell tower evidence under s 135(c).
(e) SPO[293]-[295] – THE ACCUSED’S ATTITUDE TOWARDS SIMON PATTERSON, DONPATTERSON AND GAIL PATTERSON


  1. TheSummary of Prosecution Opening states, relevantly (footnotes deleted):





  1. During the s 198B hearings, a number of witnesses including Matthew Patterson and Anna Terrington, Simon Patterson’s brother and sister, were cross examined about the positive relationships the accused had with Simon Patterson, Don Patterson and Gail Patterson.
  2. At his s 198B hearing, Matthew Patterson was asked the following questions and gave the following answers in cross examination:

  1. At her s 198B hearing, Simon Patterson’s sister, Anna Terrington, was asked the following questions and gave the following answersin cross examination:



  1. Inher recorded police interview of 5 August 2023, the following passage appears:



  1. The accused submitted the impugned evidence should be excluded under s 137.
  2. The accused submitted that some of the disparaging remarks made by the accused about Simon Patterson, Don Patterson and Gail Pattersonin the messages could inflame the jury. The accused submitted the messages could also mislead the jury as tothe true nature of he rrelationship with Simon Patterson, Don Patterson and Gail Patterson. Moreover, the jury might treat the relationship evidence asevidenceof motive, even though the prosecution does not rely on it in thatway.

  1. The prosecution submitted the evidence is relevant as relationship and context evidence. It indicates the accused harboured resentment towards Simon Patterson,Don Patterson and Gail Patterson. It rebuts evidence that the prosecution anticipates the accused will adduce that the accused’s relationships with Simon Patterson, Don Patterson and Gail Patterson were positive and, thus, she had amotive not to poison them.

  1. The impugned evidence seems to me to be of significant probative value with respect to Event 4, to which Simon Patterson was also invited but failed to attend. It demonstrates considerable resentment on the accused’s part towards Simon Patterson, Don Pattersonand Gail Patterson at a time proximate to Event 4. As occurred in thes 198B hearings with,for example, Simon Patterson’s brother Matthew and sister Anna, the accused will probably adduce evidence at trial from several of the prosecution’s witnesses of the accused having positive relationships with Simon Patterson, Don Patterson and Gail Patterson : indeed, the accused emphasised her positive relationships with Don Patterson and Gail Patterson in her recorded police interview. The impugned evidenceis significant rebuttal evidence.
  2. The prosecution will not be submitting to the jury that the accused’s resentment towards Simon Patterson, Don Patterson and Gail Patterson amounts toa motive for her to murder them. This minimises the risk of the jury overvaluing the evidence. If requested,I could give the jury directions reinforcing the pointthat the prosecutiononly relies on the relationship evidence for rebuttal purposes. Nor do I think the disparaging comments made by the accused about Simon Patterson, Don Patterson and Gail Patterson will inflame the jury. On the spectrum of inflammatory material ,this falls at the very bottom end of the spectrum, if at all. The jury can be expected to abide the standard direction not to decide the case based on sympathy or prejudice. I am not persuaded that the danger of unfair prejudice outweighs the probative value of the evidence.
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  1. It is convenient to deal with [298] and [309] of the Summary of Prosecution Opening jointly. The Summary of Prosecution Opening states,relevantly (footnotesdeleted):



  1. Th eaccused submitted it was speculation that the accused sighted the posts inquestion and therefore the impugned evidence was irrelevant.

  1. The prosecution submitted that the impugned evidence passes the test of relevance because it is part of the evidence of opportunity for the accused to have deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms locally.

  1. Thei mpugned evidence of the iNaturalist posts summarised in [298] and [309] of theSummary of Prosecution Opening is not to be consideredin isolation. In Ruling1, I noted that the evidence summarised at [283] to [285] of the Summary of Prosecution Opening was not objected to by the accused. In other words, there is admissible evidence from which a jury could infer that the accused was not only familiar with the iNaturalist website but knew how to utilise its worldwide map to find thelocations of death cap mushrooms locally. [REDACTED] In Ruling2, I ruled that cell tower evidence of the accused possibly visiting Loch twice (28 April 2023 and 22 May2023) and Outtrim once (22May 2023) was admissible. The possible visit to Lochon 28 April 2023 — 10 days after McKenzie’s post — was followed by the accused purchasing a Sunbeam food dehydrator on the same day. The possible visit to Outtrim on 22 May 2023 was a day after May’s post oniNaturalist. It is not in dispute that on 29 July 2023, the accused served her lunch guests Beef Wellingtons that were laced with death cap mushrooms. When these pieces of evidence are considered in combination, they pass the test of relevance because, at the very least, they are evidence of opportunity for the accused to have deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms locally,rather than having inadvertently purchased them from an Asian grocery, as she claimed to investigators. I note that a thorough investigation by the Health Departmentfound no support for that claim.
(g) SPO[327] – THE ACCUSED CHANGING SIM CARD FROM SAMSUNG TABLET TO PHONE B &NOT PUTTING OUT BINS ON 3 AUGUST 2023


  1. The Summary of Prosecution Opening states, relevantly (footnotes deleted):



  1. The accused submitted the evidence is irrelevant or, in the alternative, excluded bys 137.

  1. The prosecution submitted that the evidence about the SIM card is relevant as part of the accused’s alleged incriminating conduct in relation to her phones.The prosecution also submitted it is relevant to explain an absence of evidence,namely, the absence of evidence that the accused accessed posts on iNaturalist in April and May 2023 about sightings of death cap mushrooms in Loch and Outtrim. The prosecution submitted that the accused may have accessed those posts on the accused’s usual phone — PhoneA — which was never found by investigators.

  1. In relation to the SIM card, evidence of the accused setting up Phone B on 3 August 2023 is part of the course of conduct regarding the accused’s phones which the prosecution relies on as incriminating conduct. In Ruling 4, I ruled inrelation to items (k), (l), (m) & (q) that the accused could rely on that course of conduct as incriminating conduct. It follows that the evidence summarised in the first sentence of [327] of the Summary of ProsecutionOpening is relevant and admissible.
  2. In relation to the accused not putting out her rubbish bins, the prosecution relies on this omission as supporting the inference that the accused’s visit to and disposal of unknown items at the tip on 29 July 2023 shortly after the fatal lunch was unnecessary (because she had plenty of space in her bins at home) andamounts to incriminating conduct. In Ruling 4, I ruled that the visit to anddisposal of unknown items at the tip on 29 July 23 was inadmissible as incriminating conduct. Accordingly,the fact that the accused failed to put outher bins on 3 August 2023 is irrelevant and inadmissible.
(h) SPO[334] – THE ACCUSED ASKING TANYA PATTERSON TO CARE FOR HER CHILDREN


  1. The Summary of Prosecution Opening states, relevantly (footnotes deleted):



  1. Th eaccused submitted the evidence summarised in [334] of the Summary of Prosecution Opening is irrelevant. The accused was asking Tanya Patterson for help on 7August 2023 because of the prospect of protective services taking her children.The accused submitted this request is irrelevant to what happened on 31 July2023 when the accused left Leongatha Hospital against medical advice. Alternatively,the accused submitted that the probative value of the evidence is outweighed by the danger of unfairprejudice.

  1. The prosecution submitted that this evidence is relevant to item (c) of the incriminating conduct relied on by the prosecution. On 31 July 2023, after the accused’s first presentation at Leongatha Hospital, the accused ignored strong medical advice thatshe remain at the hospital, saying she had to leave to, amongst other things, sort out things for her children. The prosecution submitted that Tanya Patterson was someone who had looked after theaccused’s children before when the accused had gone away on trips with Simon Patterson.The prosecution submitted that Tanya Patterson was someone the accused could have turned to on31 July 2023 to sort out things forher children and that the accused’s email to Tanya on 7 August 2023 confirms that.

  1. In Ruling 4, I ruled that the prosecution could rely on evidence of the accused leaving Leongatha Hospital against medical adviceas incriminating conduct. This evidence is relevant to that alleged incriminating conduct. It supports the inference, which is open, that she did not have a good reason to leave Leongatha Hospital against medical advice on 31 July 2023 because she had people she could call upon to help with the children, including Tanya Patterson. I do not consider that thereis any unfair prejudice associated with this evidence.None was identified bythe accused.
(i) SPO[336c & d] – PHOTOGRAPHS OF MUSHROOMS MATCHING THOSE POSTED BY THEACCUSED ON FACEBOOK IN MAY 2020


  1. The Summary of Prosecution Opening states, relevantly (footnotes deleted):




  1. The accused submitted that evidence that the accused had an interest in poisons is too vague to be relevant.

  1. The prosecution submitted that the photographs of the mushrooms, some of which are possibly mushrooms foraged in the wild, suppor tthe inference that the accused had a continuous state of mind, namely an interest in poisons.

  1. The photos were taken in 2020, some 2.5 to 3 years before the fatal lunch on 29 July2023. As with the evidence summarised at [275]of the Summary of Prosecution Opening, I regard the evidence as temporally remote and consequently irrelevant.
The bins are interesting. The prosecution argued that the bins - at the time the leftovers were retrieved - were unusually empty, and that Erin didn’t put her bins out on bin night, which was August the 3rd. Their inference was that Erin was disposing of evidence in that trip to the dump 45 min after the lunch.

I remember there was a discussion on here about the police only finding the wellingtons in the bin, and how that was unusual.


I have to say Colin Mandy did a brilliant job. There was so much he managed to keep out
 
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That’s really interesting and disturbing, but it’s not that uncommon. A lot of psychopaths of course go on to be highly successful CEOs, politicans, etc and never kill, but of those in the prison population around 75% had a head injury prior to 16, which can definitely account for some of the psychopaths who grew up in a stable caring home. IMO
That’s a high percentage.
 
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This is behind a pay wall.
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The bins are interesting. The prosecution argued that the bins - at the time the leftovers were retrieved - were unusually empty, and that Erin didn’t put her bins out on bin night, which was August the 3rd. Their inference was that Erin was disposing of evidence in that trip to the dump 45 min after the lunch.

I remember there was a discussion on here about the police only finding the wellingtons in the bin, and how that was unusual.


I have to say Colin Mandy did a brilliant job. There was so much he managed to keep out
It's highly unusual to drive to the tip to dispose of "rubbish" when you have 2 x wheelie bins at home that are not put out for collection 5 days later. From the video one can infer what she threw out would easily fit in her 2 bins at home. One 240lt red bin for rubbish, one 240lt yellow bin for recycling, collected every Thursday.
 
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Subscriber-only article.

(Paraphrased) Nothing really new in it apart from the DM "understands" that, given her online posts about her relationship with her mother, and the fact that she liked to follow serial killer stories, police considered the possibility that EP may have killed her for the inheritance money.

Mention of her finding a particular brand of tablets in her mother's house which Google says are: "long-lasting benzodiazepine commonly used to treat anxiety disorders and alcohol detoxification, acute recurrent seizures, severe muscle spasms, and spasticity associated with neurologic disorders."

The signs Erin Patterson killed the mother she loathed: CANDACE SUTTON reveals the horrifying police suspicions hanging over the mushroom murderer that couldn't be revealed... until now​

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14884209/Erin-Patterson-police-investigation-mother-Heather-Scutter.html
 
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Subscriber-only article:

The signs Erin Patterson killed the mother she loathed: CANDACE SUTTON reveals the horrifying police suspicions hanging over the mushroom murderer that couldn't be revealed... until now​

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14884209/Erin-Patterson-police-investigation-mother-Heather-Scutter.html
It’s the ‘almost full’ pack of Diazepam for me. Nothing says “I love you, mum,” like taking her meds after she passes, then photographing meds of deceased person and bragging to friends about your “find.”

IMO
 
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It’s the ‘almost full’ pack of Diazepam for me. Nothing says “I love you, mum,” like taking her meds after she passes, then photographing meds of deceased person and bragging to friends about your “find.”

IMO

IIRC, she claimed that her mother was an alcoholic. I wonder of that was a fact, or if it was EP simply making suppositions based on that find?
 
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IIRC, she claimed that her mother was an alcoholic. I wonder of that was a fact, or if it was EP simply making suppositions based on that find?

She also told about a kazillion lies about Simon and others, so I would take much of what she told her online friends with a grain of salt.

Diazepam is simply valium. At one time it was called 'mothers little helper'.


imo
 
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She also told about a kazillion lies about Simon and others, so I would take much of what she told her online friends with a grain of salt.

Diazepam is simply valium. At one time it was called 'mothers little helper'.


imo
Yep & it says on the box take one tablet daily when required for anxiety. One tablet was missing. Script was filled in the last week of her life.

Wonder what Erin did with the other 49 tablets?? Probably safe to say she didn't hand them back to the pharmacist to discard IMO
 
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IIRC, she claimed that her mother was an alcoholic. I wonder of that was a fact, or if it was EP simply making suppositions based on that find?
If Erin was my daughter, I'd probably have a packet of Diazepam as well, but it would be almost empty... 😐
 
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She also told about a kazillion lies about Simon and others, so I would take much of what she told her online friends with a grain of salt.

Diazepam is simply valium. At one time it was called 'mothers little helper'.


imo
Erin's mother Heather probably needed all the help she could get, poor lady.
 
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If Erin was my daughter, I'd probably have a packet of Diazepam as well, but it would be almost empty... 😐
Yep, there would be just 1 left, and the rest would be down the hatch.
 
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Erin Patterson: Mushroom victim Gail Patterson’s hospital comments revealed​


“Erin Patterson’s mother-in-law repeatedly questioned “why?” and mentioned her vomit had a strong taste of mushrooms after she was rushed to hospital.


In her police statement, Ms Terrington said Gail was “awake and conscious” throughout the night, and she helped her to the bathroom several times.

“She was in intense pain with diarrhoea and exhausted. Whilst she was experiencing the pain, she was saying ‘why?’ on repeat,” Ms Terrington said.


During pre-trial hearings, prosecutors argued Gail’s comments indicated how much pain she was in and provided a point of comparison to Patterson’s claimed illness.

But Patterson’s defence argued the comments were irrelevant to the trial and could lead to unfair prejudice.
In his ruling, Justice Christopher Beale found the meaning of Gail repeatedly questioning “why” was a matter of speculation.

“As such, it does not rationally make an ultimate fact in issue more probable and is inadmissible,” he wrote.


Similarly, he found Gail’s comment about the strange, strong taste of mushroom was also irrelevant and inadmissible at Patterson’s trial.”


Oh, but it wasn't irrelevant, since her body was trying to rid itself of the poison. She vomited up the DC mushrooms. It just didn't help her.
 
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Other than being a monstrous murderer, I'm struck by the thought that Erin was also a coward. Couldn't even discuss things in an adult way, discussing her feelings and thoughts with Simon or his parents (not that they really need to be privy to that information). But no, I'll just kill them with some collateral damage to avoid suspicion. Plus she couldn't face them in hospital or even check on them. Cowardly and evil
Poisoners usually are cowards because it's a very passive-agressive way of killing. Very sneaky, underhanded and a slow method of death.
 
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Actually it was 3 times she had allegedly poisoned him. It would probably have been 4 times had he eaten the cookies. Yes, they must have been such kind people. The type of in-laws that anyone could hope for...
Actually, with the cookies is 5. I detailed it on the last thread. 4 meals + the cookies.
 
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Actually, with the cookies is 5. I detailed it on the last thread. 4 meals + the cookies.

I think there would be more than 5, even.
 
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DM article written by Candace Sutton 12 hours ago hints at EP Serial Killer vibes etc.

We all had suspicions - WS questioned this back in 2023:

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