GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[LockHerUp]

At that point in time, I don’t think Simon had the protective behaviours as a dad that he was as supposed to have.

And I think DOCS would have worked with him on protective behaviours before he got the kids back in his care full time.

It’s a unique situation where his wife was a diabolical mass murderer masquerading as a suburban mum, so it’s complicated.

IMO

One would also consider that Simon having just lost his parents, would not have been in a good frame of mind. Add to that the suspicion his estranged wife has killed them, the household would hardly be a comfort to his children, who at this time would not possibly comprehend or believe their mother could have done this deliberately.

 

[DropBear]

They’ll inherit from Erin, there will still be a reasonable amount remaining, especially now she has one less victim to compensate.

You seem to have some insider knowledge about the family, or at least insinuate you do. I suggest you either apply to be a Verified Insider here or temper your posts with "in my opinion" or similar. A Verified Insider can give information without having to quote a source, but if not a VI, then any information must be back up with a source

 

[Monstradamus]

Yes and that would be difficult even with her testimony.

Why?
The 6th beef Wellington was found intact in her bin, with her own partly eaten portion.

The 6th beef Wellington did NOT contain death caps.

If it were meant for Simon, it was not meant to kill him.

I thought the sample from her bin contained about 1 and a half BWs, and there was no visual evidence of DCs. But later the food was tested using a different method, and DC toxin DNA was found. Which would make sense if the DCs were added to the meal in powdered form. How do we know that the 6th BW did not contain death caps if the 2 samples were collected together? We know that EP's BW didn't contain DCs, because she didn't poison herself.
So it's more likely that the toxin DNA found came from the 6th BW. The one prepared (lovingly) for Simon.

 

[Charlot123]

They’ll inherit from Erin, there will still be a reasonable amount remaining, especially now she has one less victim to compensate.

But, if her ultimate goal, as I initially thought, was financial, then now, with the compensation to four victims (which probably would mean, divided by their children), her children are left with less than if she did not do it at all?

 

[Two SCents]

Yes it’s a lot! There are other houses left to compensate the victims and pay child support thankfully.

Also, because the charges for the attempted murders of Simon were dropped, he will no longer legally be a “victim” and entitled to much/if any compensation

He must be reeling since hes been forced into early retirement with his injuries

Who do you consider to be the victims of the murder of Don and Gail? Would it not be their three children - Simon being one of them?

 

[packetgravy]

I thought the sample from her bin contained about 1 and a half BWs, and there was no visual evidence of DCs. But later the food was tested using a different method, and DC toxin DNA was found. Which would make sense if the DCs were added to the meal in powdered form. How do we know that the 6th BW did not contain death caps if the 2 samples were collected together? We know that EP's BW didn't contain DCs, because she didn't poison herself.
So it's more likely that the toxin DNA found came from the 6th BW. The one prepared (lovingly) for Simon.

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You are correct that only DNA samples were able to detect toxins, but they were not found in the 6th beef Wellington.

Here are the results for the leftovers found in the bin which were separated onto tray one and two for testing. The partially eaten portion is on Tray 2, the Wellington on Tray 1 has been split but remains mostly intact.

The contents have been separated for testing.

DNA for toxins as per the results were detected in samples:
EX XI XI6 - Tray 2 mushroom paste
EX X1 Z13 - Tray 2 meat sample

No toxins found from Tray 1 - the 6th beef Wellington.

 

[Ellery84]

One would also consider that Simon having just lost his parents, would not have been in a good frame of mind. Add to that the suspicion his estranged wife has killed them, the household would hardly be a comfort to his children, who at this time would not possibly comprehend or believe their mother could have done this deliberately.

No, and also Simon was still recovering from all of his abdominal injuries and illnesses so he had a lot to deal with, physically and mentally. IMO

 

[Warshawski]

His core beliefs don’t really align with the Baptist doctrine.

Notice you’re a new member ‘packet gravy’. Welcome.
Do you have inside information of SP’s core beliefs and of their non-alignment to the doctrines of the Baptist religion ?

 

[packetgravy]

Who do you consider to be the victims of the murder of Don and Gail? Would it not be their three children - Simon being one of them?

There is a distinction between a ‘rightful’ victim and a legal one. Of course Simon is a victim by definition but by legal definition (in this trial) he is not. Ian Wilkinson will receive a lot more as a legal victim of a murder attempt.

 

[packetgravy]

BBM: Simon is a victim. His parents & Aunt were murdered by his wife / ex wife.

Websleuths is a victim friendly site.

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Yes, he is a victim.

I am talking about a legal victim of a murder case by definition in Victorian law. Due to the fact his charges were dropped, he will no longer be compensated to the same degree as a direct victim of this trial.

 

[LinasK]

Yes and that would be difficult even with her testimony.

Why?
The 6th beef Wellington was found intact in her bin, with her own partly eaten portion.

The 6th beef Wellington did NOT contain death caps.

If it were meant for Simon, it was not meant to kill him.

I understood that the 6th portion was the one that tested positive for the Death Caps. Erin's portion wasn't poisoned, or she would have been.

 

[packetgravy]

I understood that the 6th portion was the one that tested positive for the Death Caps. Erin's portion wasn't poisoned, or she would have been.

To view the 6th portion (and half eaten portion) please see my post:

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GUILTY - Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

 

[Warshawski]

Yes and that would be difficult even with her testimony.

Why?
The 6th beef Wellington was found intact in her bin, with her own partly eaten portion.

The 6th beef Wellington did NOT contain death caps.

If it were meant for Simon, it was not meant to kill him.

I believe DC was found in the lunch remains in that bin

 

[packetgravy]

I believe DC was found in the lunch remains in that bin

Please see my post with the evidence photos and results

 

[LinasK]

To view the 6th portion (and half eaten portion) please see my post:

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GUILTY - Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

That makes no sense that the poisoned one isn't the 6th portion. Erin wouldn't have eaten the poisoned portion herself- she has no immunity to Death Cap mushrooms. It HAD to be the portion intended for Simon. Why else did she try so hard to get him to attend? She'd poisoned his food on 5 other occasions.

 

[packetgravy]

That makes no sense that the poisoned one isn't the 6th portion. Erin wouldn't have eaten the poisoned portion herself- she has no immunity to Death Cap mushrooms. It HAD to be the portion intended for Simon. Why else did she try so hard to get him to attend? She'd poisoned his food on 5 other occasions.

One and a half Wellingtons were found in the bin, these were separated onto trays and specimens were tested.

You can view the Wellingtons and results in the link I shared.

 

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[Smelly Squirrel]

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You are correct that only DNA samples were able to detect toxins, but they were not found in the 6th beef Wellington.

Here are the results for the leftovers found in the bin which were separated onto tray one and two for testing. The partially eaten portion is on Tray 2, the Wellington on Tray 1 has been split but remains mostly intact.

The contents have been separated for testing.

DNA for toxins as per the results were detected in samples:
EX XI XI6 - Tray 2 mushroom paste
EX X1 Z13 - Tray 2 meat sample

No toxins found from Tray 1 - the 6th beef Wellington.

 

[Monstradamus]

One and a half Wellingtons were found in the bin, these were separated onto trays and specimens were tested.

You can view the Wellingtons and results in the link I shared.

Both samples were found in the same bag, which was described as "seeping" (2 days post lunch) and had to be double bagged. There's a high chance of cross contamination, the sample tested on Tray 2 could have been underneath the Tray 1 sample and contaminated by the Tray 1 sample. I don't think we can definitively say that the 6th BW didn't have toxins present.
When the leftovers arrived at Leongatha Hospital the nurse also picked through them before they were taken to be tested.
But we can state with certainty that toxins were found in the entire leftovers.
JMO

 

[LinasK]

One and a half Wellingtons were found in the bin, these were separated onto trays and specimens were tested.

You can view the Wellingtons and results in the link I shared.

And I did, but I think you have the portions confused as to which is the poisoned one. It's pretty much well-established fact from the trial that Erin wasn't poisoned. Her "symptoms" were self-induced. She pigged out on cake, drank coffee, and ate a sandwich with chili and hotdogs to give herself diarrhea. Also, her lab levels were fairly normal. No signs of liver damage.