GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[Charlot123]

She was insecure because I was the group leader and she told me more about her life than anyone else. I engaged Erin on deep topics to understand her psychology unlike the other group members who were all about surface level nonsense.

For example, she told me in private messages about Simon and how she can’t stand his existence, her mothers death, her sister, her personal struggles with infertility and IVF, etc.

She bombarded me with anger and then profusely apologised. I remember at the time thinking that it was extremely odd and too much drama for my liking, so I would just say whatever was necessary to placate her (such as “it’s fine, let’s move on” so I could back right away - which i did, because when I tried to reason with her she spoke default to excuses like “I’m Asperger’s - I’m so sorry, I don’t understand social nuance”. At the time I was messaging my sister (also in the group) saying she’s unhinged and to back away because if she gets angry enough, she will do something crazy like murder. At the time my sister thought I was overreacting because her and her partner (also in the group) were quite charmed by Erin’s online fake persona, but it turns out it was correct.

Erin is unstable in a histrionic sense and she managed to manipulate and form strong connections with others like her in her new group - people who didn’t challenge or question her or even bat an eyelid when she would stalk and harass people online or participate in other criminal activities such as collecting illegal imports of poisons etc in disguise (and yes the police have this evidence).

Birds of a feather…

When we tried to end our group Erin wouldn’t allow us to delete our private videos and other communications, she kept them in files on her computer so her and her flying monkeys could “investigate us all” - at one point, she only allowed a new person to enter her new group if they paid a “price” of digging dirt on some of us.

She’s extremely messed up and the original group all stepped right back from her because we knew she was batshit crazy. The new friends were too focused on other red herrings to see it.

P.S I have finallllyyyy figured out what the motive is (after a year and a half of intense investigation) and it’s not what the media or her “friends” think it is. Her motive started back in the mid 2000s and I’ll reveal it soon when I put together all of the evidence.

iMO

I came to thank you very much for your wish to join the discussion as the verified insider and to explain to us what you saw and how you interpreted it. You have done a lot, and then some.

In true crime, we often end up with the answer "how", but very seldom, if ever, do we get the answer to "why"? The answers, however, exists.

Your presence here is a great example of compassion, curiosity and introspection.

 

[Detechtive]

I wonder if she had a traumatic brain injury when from when she was drink driving? Did she crash a vehicle?

No she didn’t have a brain injury then but maybe she did as a younger child, I don’t know.

 

[packetgravy]

I, personally, don't think she's autistic, but the problem comes about when manipulative and violent people fake claim being neurodiverse to try and get away with behaviour that's abusive and illegal.

Her behaviour in the wake of the poisoning was because she didn't care about the welfare of the people she murdered. Not because she was autistic.

Manipulative people think they can whip out a disability or neurodivergence and decent people will back off and not question. It's something EP heavily relied on in all of her interactions. Cancer, eating disorder, bad back, autism, abusive parents... it's all the same garbage.

But for people actually living with the conditions, their lives become harder because the false linkage has been made because of this case.

MOO

I can’t speak on Erin’s diagnoses, my comment was more in general terms. If she is ND, I am glad this wasn’t divulged until after the trial.

Those distinctions do play a part during the investigation but with that in mind, that information needs to be handled like any other evidence - by those qualified to do so.

IMO

 

[Detechtive]

I came to thank you very much for your wish to join the discussion as the verified insider and to explain to us what you saw and how you interpreted it. You have done a lot, and then some.

In true crime, we often end up with the answer "how", but very seldom, if ever, do we get the answer to "why"? The answers, however, exists.

Your presence here is a great example of compassion, curiosity and introspection.

Thank you so much

 

[iamshadow21]

I can’t speak on Erin’s diagnoses, my comment was more in general terms. If she is ND, I am glad this wasn’t divulged until after the trial.

Those distinctions do play a part during the investigation but with that in mind, that information needs to be handled like any other evidence - by those qualified to do so.

IMO

She has no diagnosis, this came up in the hearing the other week.

Her lawyer tried saying she was autistic, the judge wasn't having it because there was absolutely no evidence that she had ever been diagnosed. All they had was hearsay from family members who were relying on what EP had told them. And we know how good her word is on that kind of thing.

MOO

 

[Ellery84]

I'd say if there was anything like that in her medical history, her lawyer would have leveraged it as a mitigation point. He is good enough at his job that there is about zero chance he wouldn't have seen the potential of it. He tried to leverage a diagnosis she lied about having, if there was actual medical proof she'd had an injury that can seriously change personality, impulse control, and propensity for violence, he would have led with that.

MOO

You’re absolutely right. I’m sure it would have been thoroughly leveraged by Mandy and his team, to Erin’s benefit.

Very good point.

 

[ishtvara]

Does anyone know what time Monday the sentencing is going to start and where online it will air? I tried a search but couldn’t find anything specific.

I’m going to be on holiday two hours ahead of Victoria and want to try and tune in if I can.

ABC Radio Melbourne will be broadcasting the sentencing from about 9.25 am EST if it's not on tv or streamable where you are ABC listen app - ABC listen

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[Detechtive]

Yes.

Beyond that, ideally there would be wider knowledge on the impacts of media bias/representation and how this influences public perception. A huge part of Erin’s guilt was assumed only days after the lunch due to her “strange” wording, facial expressions and overall behaviour.

There is a general lack of public knowledge in terms of nuances associated with conditions such as ASD. Occasionally this introduces harmful barriers during the investigation process (and following, for others who may be under the ND umbrella).

The impacts of this are often felt by those in the neurodiverse community and lends to the stigmatisation/gross generalisations of a widely misunderstood and complex human experience.

People thought she was guilty because we are instinctive and could tell she was by her appallingly bad acting and trying to force out tears. Then she sent that shambolic statement to the media full of lies. It had absolutely nothing to do with the way the media portrayed her or any sort of diagnosis

IMO

 

[Doesitmakesense]

People thought she was guilty because we are instinctive and could tell she was by her appallingly bad acting and trying to force out tears. Then she sent that shambolic statement to the media full of lies. It had absolutely nothing to do with the way the media portrayed her or any sort of diagnosis

IMO

For me it wasn't even that. I couldn't get passed she was the only one who didn't fall ill, and the convenient individual Wellington's. Those things were just extras they really helped cement it for me imo

 

[Two SCents]

She was insecure because I was the group leader and she told me more about her life than anyone else. I engaged Erin on deep topics to understand her psychology unlike the other group members who were all about surface level nonsense.

For example, she told me in private messages about Simon and how she can’t stand his existence, her mothers death, her sister, her personal struggles with infertility and IVF, etc.

She bombarded me with anger and then profusely apologised. I remember at the time thinking that it was extremely odd and too much drama for my liking, so I would just say whatever was necessary to placate her (such as “it’s fine, let’s move on” so I could back right away - which i did, because when I tried to reason with her she spoke default to excuses like “I’m Asperger’s - I’m so sorry, I don’t understand social nuance”. At the time I was messaging my sister (also in the group) saying she’s unhinged and to back away because if she gets angry enough, she will do something crazy like murder. At the time my sister thought I was overreacting because her and her partner (also in the group) were quite charmed by Erin’s online fake persona, but it turns out it was correct.

Erin is unstable in a histrionic sense and she managed to manipulate and form strong connections with others like her in her new group - people who didn’t challenge or question her or even bat an eyelid when she would stalk and harass people online or participate in other criminal activities such as collecting illegal imports of poisons etc in disguise (and yes the police have this evidence).

Birds of a feather…

When we tried to end our group Erin wouldn’t allow us to delete our private videos and other communications, she kept them in files on her computer so her and her flying monkeys could “investigate us all” - at one point, she only allowed a new person to enter her new group if they paid a “price” of digging dirt on some of us.

She’s extremely messed up and the original group all stepped right back from her because we knew she was batshit crazy. The new friends were too focused on other red herrings to see it.

P.S I have finallllyyyy figured out what the motive is (after a year and a half of intense investigation) and it’s not what the media or her “friends” think it is. Her motive started back in the mid 2000s and I’ll reveal it soon when I put together all of the evidence.

iMO

I hope she was lying to you about IVF, otherwise you have shared Simon and the children's private business with everyone here.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

You’re absolutely right. I’m sure it would have been thoroughly leveraged by Mandy and his team, to Erin’s benefit.

As any good lawyer would.

 

[Detechtive]

For me it wasn't even that. I couldn't get passed she was the only one who didn't fall ill, and the convenient individual Wellington's. Those things were just extras they really helped cement it for me imo

I don’t think anyone knew about the individual Wellingtons at that stage but I get your point - the moment I heard about the lunch and people being ill before I even knew it was Erin, the fact the the host didn’t get ill was always suspicious IMO

 

[Warshawski]

There’s psychologist’s in this thread who find her quite basic and predictable IMO

I don’t doubt that.

Everyone has there own legitimate perspective (as they should have)

However ‘perspective’ is often shaped by personal experiences, or to an area of interest / focus,

I’ll admit that despite already going through a huge array of ‘emotions’ / ‘judgements’ of EP (in regards only to her ‘personality’, not to her guilt ) that ‘array’ continues to widen.

To be honest, my perspective of Erin pre this appalling situation was largely shaped by what you’ve detailed + media reports of her background, family, travels etc with Simon. … and I didn’t class her as ‘basic’ on that.

Some things quickly became predictable i.e. lying to protect herself.

But who would predict anyone doing what she’s done ? Who would predict anyone having such little care for the well-being of another, let alone their family members - as she did ? Who would predict a mother throwing their kids to the wolves as she’s done ? etc ..
And in the context of such an elaborate & preplanned multiple murder, who would predict the clumbyness of the after…

My immediate thought of EP was that she’s akin to a cult leader . .. and at one time you were part of that ( some people manage to escape cults, but they are few - kudos to you & also to those you ‘saved’)

IMO Cult Leaders are so sure of their Control & their ability to brain wash & hold hostage, that there is no need to plan for the ‘ultimate what if’.

Erin is now facing her ‘ unplanned what if’, and I can understand that for those who are interested in delving into the psych of the negative aspects of an influencing, controlling & narcissistic personality, she would be a worthwhile study.

IMO

 

[Susjay]

I, personally, don't think she's autistic, but the problem comes about when manipulative and violent people fake claim being neurodiverse to try and get away with behaviour that's abusive and illegal.

Her behaviour in the wake of the poisoning was because she didn't care about the welfare of the people she murdered. Not because she was autistic.

Manipulative people think they can whip out a disability or neurodivergence and decent people will back off and not question. It's something EP heavily relied on in all of her interactions. Cancer, eating disorder, bad back, autism, abusive parents... it's all the same garbage.

But for people actually living with the conditions, their lives become harder because the false linkage has been made because of this case.

MOO

Agree, Whether she is neurodiverse or not, is not the issue. The issue is that she seemed obsessed with payback for whatever reason for those she thought had wronged her. The picture we have is that this obsession built to a point where it was all consuming. It ultimately led to a range of antisocial and increasingly dysfunctional behaviours and finally to murder of the most heinous kind.

 

[Susjay]

I don’t doubt that.

Everyone has there own legitimate perspective (as they should have)

However ‘perspective’ is often shaped by personal experiences, or to an area of interest / focus,

I’ll admit that despite already going through a huge array of ‘emotions’ / ‘judgements’ of EP (in regards only to her ‘personality’, not to her guilt ) that ‘array’ continues to widen.

To be honest, my perspective of Erin pre this appalling situation was largely shaped by what you’ve detailed + media reports of her background, family, travels etc with Simon. … and I didn’t class her as ‘basic’ on that.

Some things quickly became predictable i.e. lying to protect herself.

But who would predict anyone doing what she’s done ? Who would predict anyone having such little care for the well-being of another, let alone their family members - as she did ? Who would predict a mother throwing their kids to the wolves as she’s done ? etc ..
And in the context of such an elaborate & preplanned multiple murder, who would predict the clumbyness of the after…

My immediate thought of EP was that she’s akin to a cult leader . .. and at one time you were part of that ( some people manage to escape cults, but they are few - kudos to you & also to those you ‘saved’)

IMO Cult Leaders are so sure of their Control & their ability to brain wash & hold hostage, that there is no need to plan for the ‘ultimate what if’.

Erin is now facing her ‘ unplanned what if’, and I can understand that for those who are interested in delving into the psych of the negative aspects of an influencing, controlling & narcissistic personality, she would be a worthwhile study.

IMO

It seems that Erin saw everything that did not swing her way as an affront. Every disagreement was taken as a major wound. In this I think she became predictable and she also lied to squirm out of accountability. Her lying was second nature almost. It’s like she was on this path a long time ago and this path became more dominant as time went on. So she was somewhat predictable. I do think studying her history and the perspectives of others is important. Her interactions with others perhaps also useful to observe. Not sure about the value of interviews. I don’t want her to gain personally from this sort of attention I guess. This is what’s in my head. Pity hers is not flip top like a top loading washing machine. We could see what is going on maybe?

 

[Warshawski]

I think it’s inevitable that Erin would kill - she had all of the behaviours of a killer. Coercive control, violence, criminal history and escalating stalking behaviours.

Erin’s stalking wasn’t some one-off glitch in her personality, it was part of a long, deliberate pattern. And it wasn’t just her. She dragged friends into it too, using them to amplify the harassment and keep the pressure on. They’re still doing it.

That kind of coordinated stalking is not harmless. It is a major red flag for murder. Criminologists have been saying this for years: stalking is one of the strongest predictors of escalating violence. When someone invests that much time in surveillance, intimidation, and control, the step to physical harm isn’t far.

So when we look at Erin’s history, the online stalking, the obsession, the way she pulled others into it, the warning signs were already flashing bright. That’s why laws around stalking need to be enforced harder. Because every time it’s brushed off as “just online,” we miss the fact that it’s the very behaviour that so often precedes lethal violence.

I have no doubt she stalked Simon both online and in person.

IMO

See, I absolutely understand, applaud and get what you’re saying.

However to me that is not conducive of a ‘basic’ psychology. I think there is so much that can be learnt from studying - well to be honest, we’re all individuals. My partner often wishes for a degree to work me out

As our society clicks it’s tongue in disapproval of the declining values & crime rates we witness today, I hope that all of her life & behaviour becomes a focal point in studies of ‘where it all went wrong’.
<modsnip>-who knows, perhaps Erin can contribute by the learnings obtained from examining her f#&ked up persona.

 

[Warshawski]

Reform

Uumm - I got a sense of something like that, so thanks for sharing. Your profession gives context to your perspective. .. everything in life is subjective, imo.

I will say, wow - I can only imagine that your gig must have many challenges, and I applaud your efforts.

 

[Megnut]

Less cult, more clique. Mean girl. Really mean.

JMO

 

[Warshawski]

Erin wasn’t a sovereign citizen but she had some paranoid ideas. Her POA is the anti vax Covid conspiracy type.

Edit to add: I don’t actually know if she went all sovcit during Covid - I wouldn’t be surprised if she did, though. Using signal is weird, imo

As for tracking Simon I don’t know for certain but certainly she would have been, imo. It fits her profile perfectly. Irl and online, imo! How did she find out about the tax status change

Ummm - I understand your anger over your past experiences, but it’s just my personal suggestion that you temper your public ‘suggestions’ as to what she may or may not have done, as it puts you also in the possible position of ‘ trying to control’ IMO.

The world is full of divergences . Amongst the multitude of interesting personalities, I’ve worked with antivaxers & conspiracy theorists - but none of them are murders & I doubt they ever will be, as they are genuinely good people.

 

[iamshadow21]

Less cult, more clique. Mean girl. Really mean.

JMO

A cult is just a clique with really strict rules about clothes and hair and cutthroat social dynamics. Oh, wait.

But seriously, there is a lot of overlap.

MOO