GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[Charlot123]

IMO, people are too complex and ever-changing to completely understand themselves and their own actions, much less explain themselves to others. And 10 times more for killers.

Even if someone was radically honest about themselves, IMO the best we could say was "It seemed like a good idea at the time".

JMO

Great observation.

Or maybe even, “I do it because I enjoy it?”

(I think that ultimately it is the answer for many SKs.) For people like E who at this point is a mass murderer, I wonder if it is “I did it because I thought I’d get away with it”.

This being said, there is something special about poisoning. I remember “the Accursed Kings”, a wonderful sequel of novels by the famous Maurice Druon. He did depict a serial poisoner, Beatrice, who was involved in political assassinations. The persona as depicted by Druon is phenomenally interesting. The sense of power as after all, she was elevated to the level of her boss (the rich feudal woman), peppered by some medieval idea of witchcraft, but mostly, the poisoner quietly making her own way up by murder. (The translation of the books has been re-issued in English and Spanish.) The books are written so well that I sometimes wonder if EP read them… and got “inspired” by the dark-haired, quiet beauty who so boldly used this tool? Erin loved to read, so the version of “a romantic psychopath” can never be excluded. JMO.

 

[Detechtive]

Great observation.

Or maybe even, “I do it because I enjoy it?”

(I think that ultimately it is the answer for many SKs.) For people like E who at this point is a mass murderer, I wonder if it is “I did it because I thought I’d get away with it”.

This being said, there is something special about poisoning. I remember “the Accursed Kings”, a wonderful sequel of novels by the famous Maurice Druon. He did depict a serial poisoner, Beatrice, who was involved in political assassinations. The persona as depicted by Druon is phenomenally interesting. The sense of power as after all, she was elevated to the level of her boss (the rich feudal woman), peppered by some medieval idea of witchcraft, but mostly, the poisoner quietly making her own way up by murder. (The translation of the books has been re-issued in English and Spanish.) The books are written so well that I sometimes wonder if EP read them… and got “inspired” by the dark-haired, quiet beauty who so boldly used this tool? Erin loved to read, so the version of “a romantic psychopath” can never be excluded. JMO.

Agree - she was very well read. She definitely was all about power, and the thing I find particularly disturbing about poisoning is that it’s such a passive aggressive gutless way to confront people and kill them. It’s so sneaky and dirty and disgusting.

There’s many poisoners from the past who were females and they lived in DV relationships, were completely oppressed and being hit or forced into situations they didn’t want was acceptable at the time. They also didn’t have money or any resources to escape. Even though poisoning in these situations is still a horrible act, you can kind of understand their desperation to escape.

In Erin’s case, she controlled the children, the money and resources and was the DV perpetrator but yet she still felt entitled to wipe out his family for some minor perceived wrongs. It’s just unthinkable. IMO

 

[Charlot123]

At one point one of my family members didnt speak to me because we had a major family trauma which was inflicted upon us post-divorce, and it was horrible. He’s since come around and our family is amazing again, but it took some time and therapy and family support. These people knew this and are trying to use it to defame and shame me publicly. They take vulnerable real honest conversations and pain and use them as fodder and weapons to harm people. It’s psychopathic.

It’s also bizarre to me because I know two of Erin’s friends have criminal associations and very sketchy pasts. Erin herself constantly committed criminal activities she wasn’t charged for. But yet they’re still targeting bystanders who are average people with a few (non criminal) mistakes in their past. They use it to shame people and to stop them talking, but it doesn’t work with me and my friends who knew Erin and were victims of her too. We are all a lot stronger since separating from those awful people.

It used to really hurt me a lot - I had a mental breakdown from the incessant bullying at the time (which is not shameful to admit - these people do this to destroy people, by design) but I am not ashamed of anything anymore, and mistakes I’ve made in my past, or that others who I knew have done I don’t take responsibility for. These sorts of nasty psychopaths thrive off this power. They’re truly disgusting people. IMO

As for Simon, Erin had some things on him (non criminal) which they cooperated in together (due to Erin’s pressure on him) and I truly believe she used these things to manipulate him into compliance.

It is scary indeed.

From everyone’s account, Erin is irritable to extreme anger. I wonder if Simon was scared of her anger. It seems to me that he genuinely loved her and was attracted to her. She disliked herself for the way she looked, maybe, and what irritated her is that he, too, was a regular guy. I am really wondering if she dreamed of the romantic world. It often happens to girls who are exposed to the best books since early age, but it is usually a teenager’s stage.

 

[Charlot123]

Agree - she was very well read. She definitely was all about power, and the thing I find particularly disturbing about poisoning is that it’s such a passive aggressive gutless way to confront people and kill them. It’s so sneaky and dirty and disgusting.

There’s many poisoners from the past who were females and they lived in DV relationships, were completely oppressed and being hit or forced into situations they didn’t want was acceptable at the time. They also didn’t have money or any resources to escape. Even though poisoning in these situations is still a horrible act, you can kind of understand their desperation to escape.

In Erin’s case, she controlled the children, the money and resources and was the DV perpetrator but yet she still felt entitled to wipe out his family for some minor perceived wrongs. It’s just unthinkable. IMO

If people are stuck in romanticism, hating themselves for not being “Les Belles Dames”, they may start hating the whole world for not being full of the musketeers or hidalgos. She came from a family where people wrote books for kids. Fairy tales, if you think. Many writers, even practical ones, are drawn to romanticism, btw. And so Erin (who to me has an interesting face) hid her looks from people because she didn’t fit into own expectations…could she hate Simon (who I think was genuinely attracted to her) for being a regular dude and not a knight in the shining armor, and his family for being average churchgoing folks in an Australian suburb? The whole world could be irritating her for the same reason.

 

[Detechtive]

It is scary indeed.

From everyone’s account, Erin is irritable to extreme anger. I wonder if Simon was scared of her anger. It seems to me that he genuinely loved her and was attracted to her. She disliked herself for the way she looked, maybe, and what irritated her is that he, too, was a regular guy. I am really wondering if she dreamed of the romantic world. It often happens to girls who are exposed to the best books since early age, but it is usually a teenager’s stage.

I’m not sure it was that as much that it was Simon is a very dedicated faithful guy who probably couldn’t imagine anything worse than a separated family, IMO. If you look at his family line there’s not a single divorce anywhere! They’re a very solid family. I think she used this to manipulate him, IMO

 

[Susjay]

It is scary indeed.

From everyone’s account, Erin is irritable to extreme anger. I wonder if Simon was scared of her anger. It seems to me that he genuinely loved her and was attracted to her. She disliked herself for the way she looked, maybe, and what irritated her is that he, too, was a regular guy. I am really wondering if she dreamed of the romantic world. It often happens to girls who are exposed to the best books since early age, but it is usually a teenager’s stage.

I’m guessing you mean inclined to extreme anger or in a state ready to erupt. Like walking around like a bomb ready to explode and all it needed was the right trigger. We know that living with a family member who is always in “ready to explode mode” can take a huge toll. It reminds me of the story of her flying off home when she and Simon were on the driving holiday. Takes a lot for someone to just take off like that I think in those circumstances. This is perhaps why had to create the narrative with her online friends, that her husband was awful - to cover for her own bizarre behaviour. Same as in the trial - hospitals and doctors are awful etc. and online- these other people are awful etc…

 

[Monstradamus]

I’m not sure it was that as much that it was Simon is a very dedicated faithful guy who probably couldn’t imagine anything worse than a separated family, IMO. If you look at his family line there’s not a single divorce anywhere! They’re a very solid family. I think she used this to manipulate him, IMO

Kept breaking up with poor Simon, but dangled the carrot. "Let's go away camping alone for the weekend, I'll cook you something special "
Oh dear.

 

[Susjay]

I hope she was lying to you about IVF, otherwise you have shared Simon and the children's private business with everyone here.

Well not quite “shared Simon and children’s private business” with everyone here. There is reference to general topics the person herself raised, but all minus specifics. Shared “struggles with IVF” is pretty vague.

 

[Detechtive]

Well not quite “shared Simon and children’s private business” with everyone here. There is reference to general topics the person herself raised, but all minus specifics. Shared “struggles with IVF” is pretty vague.

I’ve got screenshots to back up everything I say and I’m not interested in going back and forth with Erin’s friends on here so I shall continue to ignore.

All I’ve got to say on this matter is to quote Dr Chris Webster Erin is a “disturbed sociopathic nut bag” and “a crazy ” - and so are anyone who supported her while she killed her family, and people who defend her online, people who supported her digging through my life and my family’s life and other people (I know some are in this thread) and attack me for talking about it, IMO

 

[Detechtive]

Kept breaking up with poor Simon, but dangled the carrot. "Let's go away camping alone for the weekend, I'll cook you something special "
Oh dear.

Absolutely. Completely manipulated him with her push pull games knowing he didn’t tell his family (to get support) because she also forbid him talking about their private issues with any third party. Typical DV abusive offender isolating him from his support network. IMO

 

[Two SCents]

I’ve got screenshots to back up everything I say and I’m not interested in going back and forth with Erin’s friends on here so I shall continue to ignore.

All I’ve got to say on this matter is to quote Dr Chris Webster Erin is a “disturbed sociopathic nut bag” and “a crazy ” - and so are anyone who supported her while she killed her family, and people who defend her online, people who supported her digging through my life and my family’s life and other people (I know some are in this thread) and attack me for talking about it, IMO

Not sure why you're suggesting Erin would be a friend of mine.... I have never had anything to do with her... complete strangers.

 

[Two SCents]

I’ve got screenshots to back up everything I say and I’m not interested in going back and forth with Erin’s friends on here so I shall continue to ignore.

All I’ve got to say on this matter is to quote Dr Chris Webster Erin is a “disturbed sociopathic nut bag” and “a crazy ” - and so are anyone who supported her while she killed her family, and people who defend her online, people who supported her digging through my life and my family’s life and other people (I know some are in this thread) and attack me for talking about it, IMO

You may have the screenshots, but is what EP said in those screenshots the truth, half-truths or lies?

 

[Little Jack]

Detecthtive thanks for your response re the stalking. If you want to delete it for your privacy go ahead. Im really sorry for all you've been through. Its crazy to think how many victims Erin has.

 

[Detechtive]

Detecthtive thanks for your response re the stalking. If you want to delete it for your privacy go ahead. Im really sorry for all you've been through. Its crazy to think how many victims Erin has.

It’s okay, I can’t delete now and it’s quite empowering to discuss it. Some of her friends are trying to stop me talking about it but I won’t stop.

There are many many victims of Erin. Her entire life she stalked and controlled people and many had severe mental consequences as a result. I’m glad she has finally been bought to justice.

 

[Monstradamus]

You may have the screenshots, but is what EP said in those screenshots the truth, half-truths or lies?

I don't believe a word EP says.
Master manipulator and has a degree with Honours in the Art of Lying

MOO

 

[JBowie]

I don't believe a word EP says.
Master manipulator and has a degree with Honours in the Art of Lying

MOO

[bbm]

IMO she could teach certain politicians a thing or two about that.

I'm looking forward to Judge Beale's comments about her prolific lying.

 

[Detechtive]

You may have the screenshots, but is what EP said in those screenshots the truth, half-truths or lies?

Who cares? She’s defaming herself if they’re lies. I don’t care

 

[Detechtive]

[bbm]

IMO she could teach certain politicians a thing or two about that.

I'm looking forward to Judge Beale's comments about her prolific lying.

I read somewhere that he’s retiring at the end of this year. I really hope he goes out with the biggest bang!

I’m curious whether he’s live streaming this for public interest and or the fact he doesn’t want this psychopath to be able to appeal his decisions in private. Erin isn’t the ‘smartest person in the room’ in this case.

IMO

 

[JBowie]

I’m curious whether he’s live streaming this for public interest and or the fact he doesn’t want this psychopath to be able to appeal his decisions in private.

Possibly a bit of both, but also I suspect because of the worldwide interest in this case.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

For me, the turning point was the statement Erin put out when she claimed that the mushrooms came from the store. Before that, I thought it may have just been a terrible accident.

Somehow death caps were grown in a sterile, commercial facility and made it out into the supply chain, but they only contaminated a single package. And the person who bought them just happened to be preparing a meal for their ex-in-laws, all of whom were poisoned. However the cook herself was unharmed.

Just coincidence, upon coincidence, upon coincidence. It would have to be a one in a billion occurrence.

This instance was always a good indicator to me that she wasn't nearly as clever as a lot of people presume.

It was obvious from day one that this was a made up response to give what she thought was a plausible explanation for the origin of the death caps. After all, nobody knows where those Asians get their stuff from, they certainly don't have the same standards that we do... This response ended up being terrible and very obviously an attempt to lie her way out of it, especially when she then claimed she couldn't remember where it was. However, Erin being Erin couldn't back down from it and concocted an even more implausible story of forgotten foraged mushrooms being placed in the same container as Asian mushrooms that were transported in a house move and were then added to the meal at the last minute.

The reality being that claiming foraged mushrooms from the start would have been an infinitely better explanation.