GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[JBowie]

The reality being that claiming foraged mushrooms from the start would have been an infinitely better explanation.

Yes, but in her twisted brain, my guess is that she likely figured that would lead straight to "Where did you forage, and why there?" with her phone pings forcing her to admit the location, if not the reason.

Much easier to dispose of the phone, deny ever foraging and point the blame towards nameless Asians from whom she just happened to decide to buy mushrooms on some random date, in some random place, that has totally slipped her mind, as of course always happens when shopping.

 

[Detechtive]

This instance was always a good indicator to me that she wasn't nearly as clever as a lot of people presume.

It was obvious from day one that this was a made up response to give what she thought was a plausible explanation for the origin of the death caps. After all, nobody knows where those Asians get their stuff from, they certainly don't have the same standards that we do... This response ended up being terrible and very obviously an attempt to lie her way out of it, especially when she then claimed she couldn't remember where it was. However, Erin being Erin couldn't back down from it and concocted an even more implausible story of forgotten foraged mushrooms being placed in the same container as Asian mushrooms that were transported in a house move and were then added to the meal at the last minute.

The reality being that claiming foraged mushrooms from the start would have been an infinitely better explanation.

I still think you’re missing something.

She never ever planned on having to explain herself. These lies made up on the fly were impulsive and not calculated.

You can thank Dr Chris Webber for her mistakes. IMO

 

[Cedars]

I’m guessing you mean inclined to extreme anger or in a state ready to erupt. Like walking around like a bomb ready to explode and all it needed was the right trigger. We know that living with a family member who is always in “ready to explode mode” can take a huge toll. It reminds me of the story of her flying off home when she and Simon were on the driving holiday. Takes a lot for someone to just take off like that I think in those circumstances. This is perhaps why had to create the narrative with her online friends, that her husband was awful - to cover for her own bizarre behaviour. Same as in the trial - hospitals and doctors are awful etc. and online- these other people are awful etc…

I just think that poisoning is the ultimate passive-aggressive crime. The gracious hostess generously serving people their death. She also clearly identified as a victim, wanting her guests to feel sorry for her with her cancer diagnosis.

I think many murderers are aggressive, but this is something very different.

JMO

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Not sure why you're suggesting Erin would be a friend of mine.... I have never had anything to do with her... complete strangers.

Certain people can't see how their own behaviour often is awfully similar to that which they are so often decrying others for.

 

[Megnut]

I still think you’re missing something.

She never ever planned on having to explain herself. These lies made up on the fly were impulsive and not calculated.

You can thank Dr Chris Webber for her mistakes. IMO

Exactly.

It's that blind spot in logic so many criminals share.

She knew what she knew but she didn't even think of what she didn't know.

She didn't know the guests would compare notes. Didn't know they'd go to the hospital. Didn't think anybody would suspect Death Cap mushrooms. (Would they have, if she had instead laced brownies? By using a recipe with mushrooms, she put mushroom poisoning immediately on the radar.)

I think she timed it out. They'd die. If autopsies were conducted, no toxin would appear. She was so used to controlling everything around her that I think she expected it to play out exactly as she planned it.

But it didn't go that way at all, and from then on, it was deflection, gaslighting, misdirection, fabrication --

Not unlike her testimony.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

Exactly.

It's that blind spot in logic so many criminals share.

She knew what she knew but she didn't even think of what she didn't know.

She didn't know the guests would compare notes. Didn't know they'd go to the hospital. Didn't think anybody would suspect Death Cap mushrooms. (Would they have, if she had instead laced brownies? By using a recipe with mushrooms, she put mushroom poisoning immediately on the radar.)

I think she timed it out. They'd die. If autopsies were conducted, no toxin would appear. She was so used to controlling everything around her that I think she expected it to play out exactly as she planned it.

But it didn't go that way at all, and from then on, it was deflection, gaslighting, misdirection, fabrication --

Not unlike her testimony.

JMO

I agree, she was very deluded about how others would perceive this.

I recently listened to a podcast with a forensic psychologist (Dr. Gary Bucato), he pointed out that a murderer's lack of empathy for their victims often also shows up in their inability to imagine how other people will perceive their crime.

She could not imagine anyone could suspect her - she was so used to seeing herself as a victim, she assumed that's how everyone would see her. This is how she presented herself in the first statement to the media - she was the victim, having lost these wonderful people....

IMO, she probably still cannot see herself as a perpetrator, in her own mind she is eternally a victim.

I vaguely recall Margaret Atwood at the ending of her novel Alias Grace (about a woman charged with murder) something about how strong people can take care of themselves, but it is the weak who are truly dangerous.

JMO

 

[Bekind89]

It’s okay, I can’t delete now and it’s quite empowering to discuss it. Some of her friends are trying to stop me talking about it but I won’t stop.

There's are many many victims of Erin. Her entire life she stalked and controlled people and many had severe mental consequences as a result. I’m glad she has finally been bought to justice.

Very sorry that you had to endure such toxic behavior and very glad that you are here. I don't post much because of my MS, but I find your posts interesting and very informative. I like your take on things.

 

[Charlot123]

I’m guessing you mean inclined to extreme anger or in a state ready to erupt. Like walking around like a bomb ready to explode and all it needed was the right trigger. We know that living with a family member who is always in “ready to explode mode” can take a huge toll. It reminds me of the story of her flying off home when she and Simon were on the driving holiday. Takes a lot for someone to just take off like that I think in those circumstances. This is perhaps why had to create the narrative with her online friends, that her husband was awful - to cover for her own bizarre behaviour. Same as in the trial - hospitals and doctors are awful etc. and online- these other people are awful etc…

Yes. Even from @Detechtive ‘s story, about the unusual reaction online, I see a person whose irritability is very high. Whether Erin always walks around like this, or she constantly “erupts” or something else, is hard to say. I think she made up stories to explain the behavior, but essentially, people had two choices, to leave or stay and bear it. The choice to try and tone done her irritability was never considered by Erin.

 

[JBowie]

I see a person whose irritability is very high. Whether Erin always walks around like this, or she constantly “erupts” or something else, is hard to say.

[former colleagues] spoke of a tension while dealing with Erin, where they were always unsure how she would act.

"She wasn't necessarily always unpleasant to be around but you tended to be wary that she could snap or say something unpleasant at the drop of a hat," they said.

[bbm]

'She's no dope': Who is the host of Australia's most infamous lunch?

The world has met Erin Patterson as the murderous cook behind a mushroom meal that killed three relatives. But years before her courtroom infamy, the woman from Melbourne's suburbs divided opinions.

www.abc.net.au

 

[LinasK]

This instance was always a good indicator to me that she wasn't nearly as clever as a lot of people presume.

It was obvious from day one that this was a made up response to give what she thought was a plausible explanation for the origin of the death caps. After all, nobody knows where those Asians get their stuff from, they certainly don't have the same standards that we do... This response ended up being terrible and very obviously an attempt to lie her way out of it, especially when she then claimed she couldn't remember where it was. However, Erin being Erin couldn't back down from it and concocted an even more implausible story of forgotten foraged mushrooms being placed in the same container as Asian mushrooms that were transported in a house move and were then added to the meal at the last minute.

The reality being that claiming foraged mushrooms from the start would have been an infinitely better explanation.

But then we're back to the accidental add theory, and you still have to content with- if she and her children ate the accidentally added DC Beef Wellingtons (poisoned), why did none of them get sick and die??? Erin's supposed diarhhea was clearly self-induced by pigging out on cake, coffee, sandwiches with chili, hotdogs- anything to upset your stomach. And why hesitate to pull your children out of school and get them tested (unless you know the truth and it wasn't necessary to test them)?

 

[LinasK]

Exactly.

It's that blind spot in logic so many criminals share.

She knew what she knew but she didn't even think of what she didn't know.

She didn't know the guests would compare notes. Didn't know they'd go to the hospital. Didn't think anybody would suspect Death Cap mushrooms. (Would they have, if she had instead laced brownies? By using a recipe with mushrooms, she put mushroom poisoning immediately on the radar.)

I think she timed it out. They'd die. If autopsies were conducted, no toxin would appear. She was so used to controlling everything around her that I think she expected it to play out exactly as she planned it.

But it didn't go that way at all, and from then on, it was deflection, gaslighting, misdirection, fabrication --

Not unlike her testimony.

JMO

Her logic was "See it couldn't be the mushrooms" because they were non-toxic button ones.

 

[Ellery84]

I read somewhere that he’s retiring at the end of this year. I really hope he goes out with the biggest bang!

I’m curious whether he’s live streaming this for public interest and or the fact he doesn’t want this psychopath to be able to appeal his decisions in private. Erin isn’t the ‘smartest person in the room’ in this case.

IMO

Judge Beale is retiring at the end of the year.

 

[MrJ]

bring on 9:30 am tomorrow. is all I can say

 

[Doesitmakesense]

bring on 9:30 am tomorrow. is all I can say

I'm hoping I'm the only one in the office tomorrow so I can watch and work

 

[LinasK]

bring on 9:30 am tomorrow. is all I can say

Oh yea!!! I forgot it was coming so quickly.

 

[MrJ]

no parole period please. imo she’s dangerous and operates on revenge. for SP’s safety alone no parole

 

[Detechtive]

Certain people can't see how their own behaviour often is awfully similar to that which they are so often decrying others for.

Eitherway, I’m not engaging with Erin apologists or any mass murder apologists. IMO

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I’ve got screenshots to back up everything I say and I’m not interested in going back and forth with Erin’s friends on here so I shall continue to ignore.

Do you have any proof that any of "Erin's friends" are on here currently? They would have the right to be here as much as anyone (including her supporters), but it's still a very inflammatory accusation to make. So I hope there is more than just personal speculation to be saying this.

It would be better yet to just keep the accusations, even if true, out of the discussion, since it's best to be engaging with people's ideas not with their person. Otherwise this forum may become just as toxic as those fb groups where Erin participated are said to have been.

 

[packetgravy]

For every positive there’s a negative; or in the reverse. And as much I agree that knowledge is important ( even powerful) I have no problem with the early judgement of Erin, if for no other reason than her complete & utter disregard for the whole situation.

#1: I don’t believe she has been diagnosed or referred for diagnosis / treatment for any mental or physical ailments such as cancer of anywhere ( elbow, reproductive organs etc), bulimia, gastric banding etc

#2: certainly there are many people who don’t recognise / admit their need to address their mental health needs,

#3: however I don’t put Erin in that same box Why - because she’s not someone suffering from Depression, AHD, etc. and she’s not diagnosed with ASD ( her defence would be shouting it from the roof tops) instead she’s driven by her own sense of importance - ego & control .

#4: imo Erin has spent a life time honing her skills toward ensuring / manipulating things so she eventually achieved the life she wanted. ..

#5: and however foreign we might see that, I’ll suggest it’s just ‘another perspective’, dangerous though it’s been on this occasion.
Also I might suggest that she has company in that perspective ( a few politicians & world leaders)

#6: IMO she deliberately won over Simon (and his family) and coerced him into marriage because she saw him ( with his principles) as easy to manipulate. I am shocked & stunned at what she’s managed to get away with, and I’d hazard a guess that I’m not alone

#7: over time, as her confidence grew, so too did her plan.

#8: the 2 sides of EP morphed into 1 as she painstakingly researched, tested, planned & became ready to carry out her carefully orchestrated eradication.

#9: which she perfected - almost.

#10: the thing with those driven by ego ( in my experience) is that their focus is all upfront / on the promotion of themselves & their agenda. There ego is so great that they can’t even consider road blocks or issues - therefore they have no contingency, no back up etc. There's a saying about people who die by their own sword. Imo, this is just 1 example.

Hey this was interesting to read, thank you for sharing your perspective!

 

[packetgravy]

Do you have any proof that any of "Erin's friends" are on here currently? They would have the right to be here as much as anyone (including her supporters), but it's still a very inflammatory accusation to make. So I hope there is more than just personal speculation to be saying this.

It would be better yet to just keep the accusations, even if true, out of the discussion, since it's best to be engaging with people's ideas not with their person. Otherwise this forum may become just as toxic as those fb groups where Erin participated are said to have been.

It’s a common occurrence to see social media (and threads like this) being used as somewhat of an outlet, for those adjacent to the case.

This seems to be the result of “indirect” victims either getting lost in the system or lacking awareness on where to get help. It’s awful as we know how far reaching the trauma from one murder can reach… let alone three.

I hope those needing support manage to find it.