GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[TootsieFootsie]

Police probe after wild mushroom deaths

A major police probe has been launched into the deaths of three elderly people who died after eating wild and poisonous mushrooms.

au.lifestyle.yahoo.com

One man still fighting for life.

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[Sillybilly]

Families of mushroom murder victims to face Erin Patterson in court for plea hearing​

Erin Patterson to appear for first time since guilty murder verdict

Victims of Erin Patterson and their loved ones will face the triple-murderer in Victoria's Supreme Court today, as they give statements to the court ahead of her sentencing.

www.abc.net.au

Silent exit: Erin Patterson walks past media as her victims’ statements echo​

Silent exit: Erin Patterson walks past media as her victims’ statements echo

Grief, sorrow, and unanswered questions filled Melbourne’s Supreme Court as victim impact statements were read in the plea hearing of a guilty mushroom cook. Follow our live updates.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here.

 

[iamshadow21]

Poor, poor Erin.
Does Mr Mandy want us to feel sorry for her?

We don't matter.

What matters is if it convinces the judge to set a less brutal term because of it.

Mandy is earning his money today.

MOO

 

[drsleuth]

3.21pm

What non-parole period, if any, should Erin Patterson get?​

By​

Erin Patterson’s lawyer, Colin Mandy, SC, has conceded that his client deserves a life sentence for her crimes. However, the legal battle now centres on a key question: what, if any, non-parole period she should receive.

“This is very grave offending and we make no argument that the head sentence should be anything other than life in imprisonment,” Mandy said.

He said that even with a 30-year non-parole period, Patterson would be 80 years old before she could ever be considered for release.

Mandy also argued that the harsh conditions Patterson has faced in custody — including long periods of isolation — must be a factor in her sentencing.

He said that the burden of imprisonment would be “much greater” on Patterson due to her ongoing safety concerns and isolation.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.theage.com.au

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin Patterson's autism spectrum disorder raised
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

Justice Beale asks Mr Mandy about Patterson's diagnosis with autism spectrum disorder.

Mr Mandy makes reference to depositions from Simon Patterson and Child Protective Services that detail various references to Patterson having autism spectrum disorder, ADHD and anxiety.

Mr Mandy says her mental health conditions mean Patterson finds imprisonment especially difficult, with his client unable to adapt to changes in routine.

Justice Beale tells Mr Mandy that it doesn't sound like there is much variation to Patterson's routine currently in the Gordon Unit.

Mr Mandy tells Justice Beale that things change on a "minute-by-minute" basis in the unit, including other "mentally ill" inmates causing disruption in the cells next door.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

 

[drsleuth]

now15.25 AEST
Mandy disputes claim Patterson has not seen prison chaplain

Mandy disputes Hosking’s evidence that his client has not used the prison’s chaplaincy service.

Hosking says she had been informed about Patterson’s lack of engagement with the chaplaincy service by prison officers but had not seen records about this.

Mandy says Patterson has used the chaplaincy service and seen the chaplain on a number of occasions.

Hosking says she cannot refute this.

Erin Patterson plea hearing: mushroom murderer’s prison conditions ‘don’t sound very humane’, judge says – as it happened

This blog has now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin Patterson's autism spectrum disorder raised
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

Justice Beale asks Mr Mandy about Patterson's diagnosis with autism spectrum disorder.

Mr Mandy makes reference to depositions from Simon Patterson and Child Protective Services that detail various references to Patterson having autism spectrum disorder, ADHD and anxiety.

Mr Mandy says her mental health conditions mean Patterson finds imprisonment especially difficult, with his client unable to adapt to changes in routine.

Justice Beale tells Mr Mandy that it doesn't sound like there is much variation to Patterson's routine currently in the Gordon Unit.

Mr Mandy tells Justice Beale that things change on a "minute-by-minute" basis in the unit, including other "mentally ill" inmates causing disruption in the cells next door.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

And? She's not getting out, does she think a secure unit would be any less of those things?

MOO

 

[drsleuth]

now06.28 BST

Defence will not argue against life sentence for ‘grave’ offences​

Mandy says the defence will not argue against a life sentence for the “grave” offences.

“The ultimate issue, the dispute between parties, is whether or not a non-parole period should be fixed,” he says.

Mandy says his client facing a minimum non-parole period of 30 years means she would be 80 before she becomes eligible to apply for parole.

He says Patterson being held in isolation is a relevant sentencing factor.

“Ms Patterson will likely be held in those conditions for the foreseeable future,” he says.

Mandy says Patterson will always be at risk from other prisoners, meaning isolation will be required to manage this.

Mandy says these conditions make the “burden of imprisonment” much greater for Patterson than other prisoners.

Erin Patterson plea hearing: mushroom murderer’s prison conditions ‘don’t sound very humane’, judge says – as it happened

This blog has now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Monstradamus]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin Patterson's autism spectrum disorder raised
Judd Boaz profile image
By Judd Boaz

Justice Beale asks Mr Mandy about Patterson's diagnosis with autism spectrum disorder.

Mr Mandy makes reference to depositions from Simon Patterson and Child Protective Services that detail various references to Patterson having autism spectrum disorder, ADHD and anxiety.

Mr Mandy says her mental health conditions mean Patterson finds imprisonment especially difficult, with his client unable to adapt to changes in routine.

Justice Beale tells Mr Mandy that it doesn't sound like there is much variation to Patterson's routine currently in the Gordon Unit.

Mr Mandy tells Justice Beale that things change on a "minute-by-minute" basis in the unit, including other "mentally ill" inmates causing disruption in the cells next door.

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

No official diagnosis by a doctor?
Again, no surprises there.

 

[Detechtive]

3.18pm

Trapped in a prison within a prison​

By​

Erin Patterson is trapped – in a prison within a prison.

Patterson is in a section of the women’s jail Dame Phyllis Frost that has more restrictions, isolating, and she has no guarantee of ever leaving.

The court heard that while her conditions are considered “flexible,” Corrections Victoria Assistant Commissioner Jenny Hosking couldn’t promise Patterson would ever be moved from the management unit.


Hosking finished her evidence by saying Patterson was restricted because of the risk to her own safety, not the risk she posed to others.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.theage.com.au

This is Erin’s dream life. Inside, socially isolated, doing hobbies. She just won’t be able to stalk anyone online.

Who cares, Mr Mandy?
She should be in isolation for the rest of her miserable life.

She would love it!

 

[MrJ]

Erin, there are lots of people with ASD and/or ADHD and anxiety, they don't murder people!

 

[Monstradamus]

This is Erin’s dream life. Inside, socially isolated, doing hobbies. She just won’t be able to stalk anyone online.



She would love it!

Not really. Nobody to intimidate, or manipulate. She thrives on that.

 

[Detechtive]

Not really. Nobody to intimidate, or manipulate. She thrives on that.

Good point. She’ll probably do a million degrees at the taxpayers expense so she can manipulate the court system.

 

[drsleuth]

2 minutes ago

Mushroom cook's 'Asperger's syndrome' claim
Justice Beale now asks Mr Mandy about Erin’s claim she has Asperger’s syndrome.
“What is the evidentiary basis for this? Is it just her claim?” he asked.
Mr Mandy pointed to the statements of several people, including Erin’s estranged husband, that suggested she had “anxiety and high-functioning autism”.
Other family members also said it was their belief Erin had autism.
Mr Mandy said Erin found it difficult in prison because of her Asperger’s.
“Changes to routine occur on a minute-by-minute basis, which are never palatable as far as the prisoner is concerned,” he said.
Justice Beale said the accounts of people who believed Erin might have autism was “not the usual evidentiary basis”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/families-to-deliver-victim-impact-statements-at-erin-patterson-presentencing-hearing/live-coverage/f0135c998dfec249578f2d733215e4a4#/entry/33460031

BBM : Spot on Judge!!

 

[iamshadow21]

2 minutes ago

Mushroom cook's 'Asperger's syndrome' claim
Justice Beale now asks Mr Mandy about Erin’s claim she has Asperger’s syndrome.
“What is the evidentiary basis for this? Is it just her claim?” he asked.
Mr Mandy pointed to the statements of several people, including Erin’s estranged husband, that suggested she had “anxiety and high-functioning autism”.
Other family members also said it was their belief Erin had autism.
Mr Mandy said Erin found it difficult in prison because of her Asperger’s.
“Changes to routine occur on a minute-by-minute basis, which are never palatable as far as the prisoner is concerned,” he said.
Justice Beale said the accounts of people who believed Erin might have autism was “not the usual evidentiary basis”.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/families-to-deliver-victim-impact-statements-at-erin-patterson-presentencing-hearing/live-coverage/f0135c998dfec249578f2d733215e4a4#/entry/33460031

Beale is right, it's a cocktail of hearsay and armchair diagnosis. Next.

MOO

 

[Detechtive]

No official diagnosis by a doctor?
Again, no surprises there.

I can’t discern this by the article…

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
Just now

Today's court sketch​

By Judd Boaz​

Media has once again descended upon the Erin Patterson trial, today at the Supreme Court of Victoria in Melbourne's CBD.

It has been an emotional day for the convicted triple-murderer, as she fought back tears during the victim impact statement given by Ian Wilkinson.

Here is a court sketch of Patterson as she stood in courtroom.

Erin Patterson at her plea hearing (ABC News)

Prosecutors say Patterson had intent to kill months before mushroom lunch — as it happened

Convicted killer Erin Patterson will face a two day pre-sentence hearing after being found guilty of murdering three relatives by serving them beef Wellingtons that contained death cap mushrooms. Follow the hearing live.

www.abc.net.au

 

[iamshadow21]

Erin, there are lots of people with ASD and/or ADHD and anxiety, they don't murder people!

Yep, got up today, haven't murdered anyone yet. And I actually have official dxes for all mine. I didn't even commit crime after I got them.

MOO

 

[Detechtive]

Yep, got up today, haven't murdered anyone yet. And I actually have official dxes for all mine. I didn't even commit crime after I got them.

MOO

I’ve got Adhd and Anxiety. I’ve managed to never commit a crime except underage drinking a couple times as a teen

Haven’t murdered anyone