GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[dothetime]

Thinking about how careful and charitable Simon Patterson has probably always been when speaking about his wife, even after he realised she was attempting to poison him, and even when giving evidence at his wife's trial. His definition of trying to communicate with her was to say it was 'tricky' which must be the understatement of the year!

 

[Charlot123]

NGL, as a nerdy introvert myself, her prison conditions sound kind of ideal. Meals provided, private exercise yard, library, computer, hobbies (like crochet), kitchenette, TV, social isolation, books, free university courses, access to dental, medical, programmes, etc etc... does it get better for an introvert?

I am hardly pitiful of her prison conditions. She's not stuck in a Shangai prison begging for food and bandaids and bleach for her filthy toilet.

I hope she gets LWOP and spends the rest of her life in this oasis for introverts (although, I wish it was more punishing). May she rot in hell! IMO

I don’t assume that any prison is easy. However, Erin’s victims died in physical pain and mental anguish. The way death caps toxin works, it causes poly-organ failure.

So, theirs was a painful deaths, over the course of several days, and we should be able to imagine how and what the victims went through. They died in pain.

As any human, she can complain of the prison conditions. Her voice is heard as it should be in a civilized society.

But her victims experienced a prolonged, torturous death. And they have no voice to express what they went through anymore.

 

[JBowie]

Crime boss’ girlfriend loses appeal bid over ‘appalling’ prison conditions where Erin Patterson will serve sentence

The girlfriend of a feared crime boss, housed in the same unit as mushroom killer Erin Patterson, has lost a bid to have her sentence cut over the “appalling” conditions.

Liam Beatty August 27, 2025 - 4:26PM NewsWire

The jailed girlfriend of crime boss George Marrogi has lost a bid to have her sentence cut after arguing the “appalling” jail conditions were driving her mad.

Antonietta Mannella, 31, is housed in the Gordon unit at the Dame Phyllis Frost Centre maximum security prison in Melbourne where mushroom killer Erin Patterson will be locked up for the “foreseeable future”.

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https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/crime-boss-girlfriend-loses-appeal-bid-over-appalling-prison-conditions-where-erin-patterson-will-serve-sentence/news-story/84ef50fd12b4ac61f097120942a51dda

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

She looks fed, watered and her hair is lovely and straight. What's this nonsense about her living conditions

She looks extremely well!
I think it's meant to be about whipping up hatred for the neighbouring cellmate. JMO MOO

 

[Ellery84]

She looks fed, watered and her hair is lovely and straight. What's this nonsense about her living conditions

I’m going to just put this out there: Erin looks healthier than she looked during the “car port interview” that she gave before she was arrested. IMO

Perhaps having a more nutritious diet, more structure, less interpersonal stress and being protected from the outside world (and the media) not having to manage any relationships….no need to stress over ballet lessons and feeding the farm animals, and a detox from the perils of the internet - has done Erin good.

From a outsider perspective (mine!) life just looks easier for her where she’s at, and she seems to be thriving in jail.

I’m not saying all of us would thrive in that environment, I’m not even saying it is a pleasant environment, but when interpersonal stress is so difficult for Erin to manage, and she has disordered eating or binge eating (which she has herself claimed), and she is a self proclaimed autistic person (who presumably would thrive on routine), then her new life is probably quite good for her mental and physical health in some ways.

IMO

In jail, Erin also has access to medical care, which she struggled to access appropriately in the real world. On the outside, Erin would doctor shop and invent illnesses in her head that she didn’t have while also not treating the illnesses that she potentially did have such as anxiety and obesity.

Now her physical and mental health is closely managed by professionals in a live-in-setting and in some ways, it may be the best thing that has happened to her for a while.

IMHO

< I am not saying that I’m a fan of Erin or even particularly synthetic to her, but I am offering what I think is an objective opinion. I’ve listened to every podcast out out during her trial so am very familiar with the ins and outs of the content of her criminal trial. The information above is a mix of info from a range of news articles and podcasts by news companies made during her criminal trial and during sentencing >

 

[JBowie]

I'm imagining this scenario:

Judge Beale (to EP): I understand that it is your wish to have a 'forever home'. Well, I'm able to provide that for you, albeit a few hundred kilometres north-west of Leongatha.

 

[Ellery84]

I'm imagining this scenario:

Judge Beale (to EP): I understand that it is your wish to have a 'forever home'. Well, I'm able to provide that for you, albeit a few hundred kilometres north-west of Leongatha.

She yearned for her forever home, and now she just might have one.

 

[Detechtive]

I’m going to just put this out there: Erin looks healthier than she looked during the “car port interview” that she gave before she was arrested. IMO

Perhaps having a more nutritious diet, more structure, less interpersonal stress and being protected from the outside world (and the media) not having to manage any relationships….no need to stress over ballet lessons and feeding the farm animals, and a detox from the perils of the internet - has done Erin good.

From a outsider perspective (mine!) life just looks easier for her where she’s at, and she seems to be thriving in jail.

I’m not saying all of us would thrive in that environment, I’m not even saying it is a pleasant environment, but when interpersonal stress is so difficult for Erin to manage, and she has disordered eating or binge eating (which she has herself claimed), and she is a self proclaimed autistic person (who presumably would thrive on routine), then her new life is probably quite good for her mental and physical health in some ways.

IMO

In jail, Erin also has access to medical care, which she struggled to access appropriately in the real world. On the outside, Erin would doctor shop and invent illnesses in her head that she didn’t have while also not treating the illnesses that she potentially did have such as anxiety and obesity.

Now her physical and mental health is closely managed by professionals in a live-in-setting and in some ways, it may be the best thing that has happened to her for a while.

IMHO

< I am not saying that I’m a fan of Erin or even particularly synthetic to her, but I am offering what I think is an objective opinion. I’ve listened to every podcast out out during her trial so am very familiar with the ins and outs of the content of her criminal trial. The information above is a mix of info from a range of news articles and podcasts by news companies made during her criminal trial and during sentencing >

She seems to have lost a lot of weight since the conviction. Dramatic kind of weight like 20kgs.

I’m not sure she’s thriving, and I don’t really care to be honest, but I do think she’s probably in shock that she’s finally been exposed, that’s she is not the smartest person in the room (especially a court room!), and that she will finally be held to account and not be able to manipulate the world anymore. Imo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I’m going to just put this out there: Erin looks healthier than she looked during the “car port interview” that she gave before she was arrested. IMO

Perhaps having a more nutritious diet, more structure, less interpersonal stress and being protected from the outside world (and the media) not having to manage any relationships….no need to stress over ballet lessons and feeding the farm animals, and a detox from the perils of the internet - has done Erin good.

From a outsider perspective (mine!) life just looks easier for her where she’s at, and she seems to be thriving in jail.

I’m not saying all of us would thrive in that environment, I’m not even saying it is a pleasant environment, but when interpersonal stress is so difficult for Erin to manage, and she has disordered eating or binge eating (which she has herself claimed), and she is a self proclaimed autistic person (who presumably would thrive on routine), then her new life is probably quite good for her mental and physical health in some ways.

IMO

In jail, Erin also has access to medical care, which she struggled to access appropriately in the real world. On the outside, Erin would doctor shop and invent illnesses in her head that she didn’t have while also not treating the illnesses that she potentially did have such as anxiety and obesity.

Now her physical and mental health is closely managed by professionals in a live-in-setting and in some ways, it may be the best thing that has happened to her for a while.

IMHO

< I am not saying that I’m a fan of Erin or even particularly synthetic to her, but I am offering what I think is an objective opinion. I’ve listened to every podcast out out during her trial so am very familiar with the ins and outs of the content of her criminal trial. The information above is a mix of info from a range of news articles and podcasts by news companies made during her criminal trial and during sentencing >

IMO Some people such as Erin Patterson and Sarah Boone probably get their basic needs better met within a prison structure. Especially if they're not drinking alcohol (or using substances).
This is why it's a win:win for everyone when they're locked up safely.

However, it does raise questions about whether people in general should be kept safe and institutionalised from far younger age if they show the signs of severe dysregulation and would benefit from a contained regime - lives could be saved, abuses could be prevented, and they may be useful to themselves and the world.

JMO MOO

 

[Ellery84]

She seems to have lost a lot of weight since the conviction. Dramatic kind of weight like 20kgs.

I’m not sure she’s thriving, and I don’t really care to be honest, but I do think she’s probably in shock that she’s finally been exposed, that’s she is not the smartest person in the room (especially a court room!), and that she will finally be held to account and not be able to manipulate the world anymore. Imo

What I’m saying is I think jail is beneficial for her, and it’s beneficial for society and I think she would do well to remain there, without a chance of parole.

IMO

 

[JBowie]

... but I do think she’s probably in shock that she’s finally been exposed, that’s she is not the smartest person in the room (especially a court room!), and that she will finally be held to account and not be able to manipulate the world anymore. Imo

I strongly believe she has NPD and dealing with that -- maintaining the fantasy of superiority and coping with narcissistic injury -- in prison will be interesting, to say the least.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Yes and lots of people/associates of Erin Patterson will be making money out of the victims family's tragedy...(Simon not included).
Family of Erin Patterson’s victims say mushroom trial media frenzy fed off their suffering | Amanda Meade | The Guardian Family of Erin Patterson’s victims say mushroom trial media frenzy fed off their suffering | The Weekly Beast

 

[iamshadow21]

IMO Some people such as Erin Patterson and Sarah Boone probably get their basic needs better met within a prison structure. Especially if they're not drinking alcohol (or using substances).
This is why it's a win:win for everyone when they're locked up safely.

However, it does raise questions about whether people in general should be kept safe and institutionalised from far younger age if they show the signs of severe dysregulation and would benefit from a contained regime - lives could be saved, abuses could be prevented, and they may be useful to themselves and the world.

JMO MOO

I think we're far from a world where we imprison people before they commit a crime, just because they're different, they struggle with things, or they might possibly do something in the future.

And thank goodness for that.

We're all capable of acts of violence. It's a fundamental human trait. And if that violence is unjustified, then yes, we should go to prison.

But being institutionalised for having a DUI and being awkward and manipulative socially?

MOO

 

[Detechtive]

I think we're far from a world where we imprison people before they commit a crime, just because they're different, they struggle with things, or they might possibly do something in the future.

And thank goodness for that.

We're all capable of acts of violence. It's a fundamental human trait. And if that violence is unjustified, then yes, we should go to prison.

But being institutionalised for having a DUI and being awkward and manipulative socially?

MOO

There is more to Erins past which is criminal. She wasn't charged with the vast majority of criminal activity. However, if she was charged with things I know she has done (White collar, and other) crime, she would have been in prison before the July lunch.

Lack of a rap sheet doesn't equate to lack of criminal history.

People don't just start mass murdering at 48. There is nearly always an extensive history, unless there is a psychotic episode, etc which facilitates the crimes which isn't the case with Erin.

 

[iamshadow21]

There is more to Erins past which is criminal. She wasn't charged with the vast majority of criminal activity. However, if she was charged with things I know she has done (White collar, and other) crime, she would have been in prison before the July lunch.

Lack of a rap sheet doesn't equate to lack of criminal history.

People don't just start mass murdering at 48. There is nearly always an extensive history, unless there is a psychotic episode, etc which facilitates the crimes which isn't the case with Erin.

I'm not saying that she didn't, I'm saying that institutionalising someone with only a DUI on their record is not something that would happen in any fair and just society. The only circumstances where it would be appropriate is if they were overtly threatening harm to themselves or others, and then only until their assessed risk had lowered.

We can't lock people up just because they might do something. None of her previous criminal behaviour suggested homicide was a possibility. As is very common in poisoners. I'm not counting her potential poisonings of Simon as separate, but as part of the same chain of events.

MOO

 

[LinasK]

I'm not saying that she didn't, I'm saying that institutionalising someone with only a DUI on their record is not something that would happen in any fair and just society. The only circumstances where it would be appropriate is if they were overtly threatening harm to themselves or others, and then only until their assessed risk had lowered.

We can't lock people up just because they might do something. None of her previous criminal behaviour suggested homicide was a possibility. As is very common in poisoners. I'm not counting her potential poisonings of Simon as separate, but as part of the same chain of events.

MOO

Ah, but people with DUI's DO spend time behind bars, and do kill other people. Don't minimize the danger that drunk drivers pose. I had a neighbor who was an alcoholic- his day job was a brake mechanic for a major car dealership.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I'm not saying that she didn't, I'm saying that institutionalising someone with only a DUI on their record is not something that would happen in any fair and just society. The only circumstances where it would be appropriate is if they were overtly threatening harm to themselves or others, and then only until their assessed risk had lowered.

We can't lock people up just because they might do something. None of her previous criminal behaviour suggested homicide was a possibility. As is very common in poisoners. I'm not counting her potential poisonings of Simon as separate, but as part of the same chain of events.

MOO

Her previous "potential" and highly likely poisoning of Simon showed what she was capable of. Had this been handled better, there possibly could have been a different outcome re the murders of Don and Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson. However the only thing that would have prevented it would have been if Erin Patterson was imprisoned earlier. Even now. If she was released, I have no doubt whatsoever that she would kill again. She is a danger to society. Her inmates should tread carefully...

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think we're far from a world where we imprison people before they commit a crime, just because they're different, they struggle with things, or they might possibly do something in the future.

And thank goodness for that.

We're all capable of acts of violence. It's a fundamental human trait. And if that violence is unjustified, then yes, we should go to prison.

But being institutionalised for having a DUI and being awkward and manipulative socially?

MOO

I agree with your sentiment but in response to my point, you've embellished what I meant, IMO.

In the past, some countries had mental asylums that were becoming a place of refuge and safety as opposed to barbaric removal from society, some countries had really long rehab facilities and therapeutic communities funded by the state and healthcare services. Other places have retreats, refuges, voluntary admission, charitable places in supported living houses, religious, spiritual, or philosophically minded houses and communes for long term stay. All that seems to be vanished now. Aside from expensive holidays and lifestyle retreats and short life rehabs.

Nobody much gets a chance to deal with their issues in a place of safety on a long term basis before it becomes life in prison these days IMO. Being offered - or even legally enforced - into a stable place with structure and routine could be preventative as well as healing maybe?

Not making excuses for EP, what she did was demonic.

 

[Detechtive]

Ah, but people with DUI's DO spend time behind bars, and do kill other people. Don't minimize the danger that drunk drivers pose. I had a neighbor who was an alcoholic- his day job was a brake mechanic for a major car dealership.

Exactly! The way she responded was also antisocial in nature. She not only drunk drove, she was driving unregistered, uninsured, she hit a vehicle, fled from the scene, and then hired a barrister to get her off the DUI (which succeeded!).

Imagine if she hit a person? She would have fled too, IMO, and been up on manslaughter charges back then.

Her behaviour hasn't changed. And it won't. IMO

 

[Susjay]

There is more to Erins past which is criminal. She wasn't charged with the vast majority of criminal activity. However, if she was charged with things I know she has done (White collar, and other) crime, she would have been in prison before the July lunch.

Lack of a rap sheet doesn't equate to lack of criminal history.

People don't just start mass murdering at 48. There is nearly always an extensive history, unless there is a psychotic episode, etc which facilitates the crimes which isn't the case with Erin.

She has used a carriage service (electronic com devices and platforms) in ways that reasonable people would deem menacing, harassing, or offensive. That’s why I don’t think she should be able to use any carriage service ever.