GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

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In my opinion, the so called best friends (who have never met EP in person), who testified for the prosecution, now seem to be looking for their own 5 minutes of fame in this horrendous mess. To be writing books, just seems to be a money grab by them.

 

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In my opinion, the so called best friends (who have never met EP in person), who testified for the prosecution, now seem to be looking for their own 5 minutes of fame in this horrendous mess. To be writing books, just seems to be a money grab by them.

Agree, they probably haven’t even considered how they played into this mess, IMO

 

[Warshawski]

In my opinion, the so called best friends (who have never met EP in person), who testified for the prosecution, now seem to be looking for their own 5 minutes of fame in this horrendous mess. To be writing books, just seems to be a money grab by them.

To be fair to Ali, and despite all the flack she’s copping, she’s the only one acting like a ‘good / best’ friend.

I think we’ve all had acquaintances who’ve turned out to be rather ‘interesting’ in their choices, some of which you / we / me maybe got caught up in - and the old saying ‘should write a book’ comes out.

Imo, these online acquaintances of EP are doing just that - capitalising on a situation presented to them by someone who has made it clear to them that they didn’t know one bit of who she really was !

She used them them to fill her time, to feed her ego & her need for control, and she lied to them (either directly or by omission), as she went on to plot her path toward committing multiple murders & attempted murders, and then attempt to lie her way out of responsibility.

No doubt they’re very angry. .. et al.

Maybe in readings their writings, one can only hope that Erin gains some insight, as it’s the lack of the ability to look inwards that is the stumbling block to many a personal growth. IMO .

 

[Susjay]

In my opinion, the so called best friends (who have never met EP in person), who testified for the prosecution, now seem to be looking for their own 5 minutes of fame in this horrendous mess. To be writing books, just seems to be a money grab by them.

Money grab, money grab, & money grab…

 

[Susjay]

Birds of a feather….

“We were such bloody good friends, but we never met!” Jeebus! Who are these people? Get a real life peeps! Get some real life friends maybe? You joined a cult. Get some therapy, for your own well being and for those around you. If you have young children, you owe it to them. Please think twice about staying this path.

 

[Susjay]

I have. A homicide detective contacted me a week or so ago asking if I am okay as he had seen it things online.

They are posting my posts from here onto other forums. Self-admitted stalking behaviour. It's so juvenile. The reason none of us want anything to do with them (and haven't for years) is because they are unhinged lunatics. Nothing has changed. They STILL think this is about highschool 'group dynamics' and not their mass killer friend.

I guess if they are posting your posts, they are giving your perspectives some air?

 

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I guess if they are posting your posts, they are giving your perspectives some air?

That’s a very positive way of looking at it. They have actually explicitly stated that I’m being stalked online by a production company which is completely made up. They are posting my posts in other forums to convey they’re watching me. They think this will frighten me. It doesn’t. It just makes me grateful that I am not friends with them and never would be if it was IRL, I have no time for these crackpots. I think that makes them feel insecure.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Judgement day approaches for Erin Patterson as she stares down the barrel of life in prison with NO chance of parole​

• Erin Patterson will be sentenced on Monday
• She was convicted of three murders and one attempted murder

During a pre-sentence hearing last month, Justice Christopher Beale indicated he was not against jailing Patterson for the rest of her natural life after the closing address of Crown prosecutor Jane Warren, who claimed her offending deserved the full penalty available under Victorian law.

'I agree with you that the offending here is horrendous,' Justice Beale said.

The court heard Patterson's victims suffered a prolonged and agonising death after consuming the death cap mushrooms.

Her own defence team earlier accepted Patterson should be sentenced to no less than 30 years in jail for her crimes.

'We make no argument, your honour, that the head sentence should be anything other than life imprisonment,' her barrister Colin Mandy, SC told the court.

'The ultimate issue - the dispute between the parties or at issue between the parties is whether or not a non-parole period should be fixed.

'Ms Patterson is 50 years of age, and so because these allegations, these convictions are standard sentence offences, unless the court considers that it's in the interest of justice not to do so, the court must fix a non-parole period of 30 years if the relevant term is the term of the offender's natural life.

'Even the imposition of a 30-year non-parole period would see Ms Patterson reach the age of 80 or so before she became eligible to apply for parole.'

Patterson's chances of securing a non-parole period have been further hampered by her refusal to show any insight into her offending.

She maintains her innocence and therefore is seen by the court as a remorseless killer with little to no chance of rehabilitation, even after 30 years behind bars.

Ms Warren cited the disturbing case of evil killer Michael Cardamone to back her submissions.

Cardamone, who was aged 50 like Patterson, sedated Karen Chetcuti near Wangaratta in 2016 with an animal tranquilliser, bound and gagged her, injected her with methamphetamine and battery acid, fractured her skull and then burnt her alive.


Patterson's living conditions in jail are the only thing standing in the way of her not receiving a non-parole period.

She has remained in the Dame Phyllis Frost Centre's notorious Gordon Unit for much of her time, with no prospect of moving anytime soon.

Known as a management unit for the jail's most high-risk offenders, it contains only 20 cells for the worst of society.

There, prisoners are locked down as much as 23 hours a day, with limited access to a small one-metre-square courtyard at the rear of their cells.

The court heard the Gordon Unit where Patterson is held was recently described as 'appalling' by a County Court judge.

Mr Mandy argued no person should be caged for the remainder of their life under such extreme conditions.

'So informing the question of whether a non-parole period should be fixed, we submit are the conditions and circumstances of her imprisonment. Plainly where a prisoner is held in isolation or separation as it's described here, that's a factor relevant to sentence,' he told the court.

'The contention is that Ms Patterson will likely be held in those conditions for the foreseeable future and perhaps ... for the entire length of her sentence.'

Mr Mandy pointed to the case of Cardinal George Pell, who faced similar jail conditions when he was originally sentenced over historical child sex offences that were eventually overturned.

'We use that phrase "likely" because it falls within Chief Judge Kidd's ruling in Pell where his honour said that it's necessary for the court to inform themselves as to the probabilities of a custodial situation,' Mr Mandy said.

'(Patterson) will in our submission always be at risk from other prisoners and that risk, regrettably, given the auspices of the custodial arrangement, can only be effectively managed by isolation. Those are very deprived circumstances.'

Justice Beale suggested some concern over the prospect of Patterson being held within the Gordon Unit for the entirety of her sentence.

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Justice Christopher Beale holds the future of Erin Patterson in his hands
'(It) doesn't sound very humane,' he said.

As it stands, the judge has no real idea whether or not Patterson will indeed spend her life caged in isolation.

'Your honour cannot sentence on the basis of prediction or mere speculation,' Ms Warren told him.

'Well, I feel fairly confident that she's going to remain notorious for a long, long time,' Justice Beale responded.

Ms Warren argued Justice Beale could not sentence on the basis that Patterson would spend her entire sentence in those conditions.

'But, we accept, certainly, the foreseeable future,' she said.

While Patterson's epic 10-week trial was held in Morwell, in Victoria's east, Justice Beale will hand down his sentence in Melbourne on September 8 due to maintenance issues in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts.

Judgement day approaches for Erin Patterson

Triple murderer Erin Patterson is facing dying in prison alone as her ultimate fate is set to be decided on Monday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LinasK]

Judgement day approaches for Erin Patterson as she stares down the barrel of life in prison with NO chance of parole​

• Erin Patterson will be sentenced on Monday
• She was convicted of three murders and one attempted murder

During a pre-sentence hearing last month, Justice Christopher Beale indicated he was not against jailing Patterson for the rest of her natural life after the closing address of Crown prosecutor Jane Warren, who claimed her offending deserved the full penalty available under Victorian law.

'I agree with you that the offending here is horrendous,' Justice Beale said.

The court heard Patterson's victims suffered a prolonged and agonising death after consuming the death cap mushrooms.

Her own defence team earlier accepted Patterson should be sentenced to no less than 30 years in jail for her crimes.

'We make no argument, your honour, that the head sentence should be anything other than life imprisonment,' her barrister Colin Mandy, SC told the court.

'The ultimate issue - the dispute between the parties or at issue between the parties is whether or not a non-parole period should be fixed.

'Ms Patterson is 50 years of age, and so because these allegations, these convictions are standard sentence offences, unless the court considers that it's in the interest of justice not to do so, the court must fix a non-parole period of 30 years if the relevant term is the term of the offender's natural life.

'Even the imposition of a 30-year non-parole period would see Ms Patterson reach the age of 80 or so before she became eligible to apply for parole.'

Patterson's chances of securing a non-parole period have been further hampered by her refusal to show any insight into her offending.

She maintains her innocence and therefore is seen by the court as a remorseless killer with little to no chance of rehabilitation, even after 30 years behind bars.

Ms Warren cited the disturbing case of evil killer Michael Cardamone to back her submissions.

Cardamone, who was aged 50 like Patterson, sedated Karen Chetcuti near Wangaratta in 2016 with an animal tranquilliser, bound and gagged her, injected her with methamphetamine and battery acid, fractured her skull and then burnt her alive.


Patterson's living conditions in jail are the only thing standing in the way of her not receiving a non-parole period.

She has remained in the Dame Phyllis Frost Centre's notorious Gordon Unit for much of her time, with no prospect of moving anytime soon.

Known as a management unit for the jail's most high-risk offenders, it contains only 20 cells for the worst of society.

There, prisoners are locked down as much as 23 hours a day, with limited access to a small one-metre-square courtyard at the rear of their cells.

The court heard the Gordon Unit where Patterson is held was recently described as 'appalling' by a County Court judge.

Mr Mandy argued no person should be caged for the remainder of their life under such extreme conditions.

'So informing the question of whether a non-parole period should be fixed, we submit are the conditions and circumstances of her imprisonment. Plainly where a prisoner is held in isolation or separation as it's described here, that's a factor relevant to sentence,' he told the court.

'The contention is that Ms Patterson will likely be held in those conditions for the foreseeable future and perhaps ... for the entire length of her sentence.'

Mr Mandy pointed to the case of Cardinal George Pell, who faced similar jail conditions when he was originally sentenced over historical child sex offences that were eventually overturned.

'We use that phrase "likely" because it falls within Chief Judge Kidd's ruling in Pell where his honour said that it's necessary for the court to inform themselves as to the probabilities of a custodial situation,' Mr Mandy said.

'(Patterson) will in our submission always be at risk from other prisoners and that risk, regrettably, given the auspices of the custodial arrangement, can only be effectively managed by isolation. Those are very deprived circumstances.'

Justice Beale suggested some concern over the prospect of Patterson being held within the Gordon Unit for the entirety of her sentence.

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Justice Christopher Beale holds the future of Erin Patterson in his hands
'(It) doesn't sound very humane,' he said.

As it stands, the judge has no real idea whether or not Patterson will indeed spend her life caged in isolation.

'Your honour cannot sentence on the basis of prediction or mere speculation,' Ms Warren told him.

'Well, I feel fairly confident that she's going to remain notorious for a long, long time,' Justice Beale responded.

Ms Warren argued Justice Beale could not sentence on the basis that Patterson would spend her entire sentence in those conditions.

'But, we accept, certainly, the foreseeable future,' she said.

While Patterson's epic 10-week trial was held in Morwell, in Victoria's east, Justice Beale will hand down his sentence in Melbourne on September 8 due to maintenance issues in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts.

Judgement day approaches for Erin Patterson

Triple murderer Erin Patterson is facing dying in prison alone as her ultimate fate is set to be decided on Monday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Monday, Monday, so good to me...

 

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Judgement day approaches for Erin Patterson as she stares down the barrel of life in prison with NO chance of parole​

• Erin Patterson will be sentenced on Monday
• She was convicted of three murders and one attempted murder

During a pre-sentence hearing last month, Justice Christopher Beale indicated he was not against jailing Patterson for the rest of her natural life after the closing address of Crown prosecutor Jane Warren, who claimed her offending deserved the full penalty available under Victorian law.

'I agree with you that the offending here is horrendous,' Justice Beale said.

The court heard Patterson's victims suffered a prolonged and agonising death after consuming the death cap mushrooms.

Her own defence team earlier accepted Patterson should be sentenced to no less than 30 years in jail for her crimes.

'We make no argument, your honour, that the head sentence should be anything other than life imprisonment,' her barrister Colin Mandy, SC told the court.

'The ultimate issue - the dispute between the parties or at issue between the parties is whether or not a non-parole period should be fixed.

'Ms Patterson is 50 years of age, and so because these allegations, these convictions are standard sentence offences, unless the court considers that it's in the interest of justice not to do so, the court must fix a non-parole period of 30 years if the relevant term is the term of the offender's natural life.

'Even the imposition of a 30-year non-parole period would see Ms Patterson reach the age of 80 or so before she became eligible to apply for parole.'

Patterson's chances of securing a non-parole period have been further hampered by her refusal to show any insight into her offending.

She maintains her innocence and therefore is seen by the court as a remorseless killer with little to no chance of rehabilitation, even after 30 years behind bars.

Ms Warren cited the disturbing case of evil killer Michael Cardamone to back her submissions.

Cardamone, who was aged 50 like Patterson, sedated Karen Chetcuti near Wangaratta in 2016 with an animal tranquilliser, bound and gagged her, injected her with methamphetamine and battery acid, fractured her skull and then burnt her alive.


Patterson's living conditions in jail are the only thing standing in the way of her not receiving a non-parole period.

She has remained in the Dame Phyllis Frost Centre's notorious Gordon Unit for much of her time, with no prospect of moving anytime soon.

Known as a management unit for the jail's most high-risk offenders, it contains only 20 cells for the worst of society.

There, prisoners are locked down as much as 23 hours a day, with limited access to a small one-metre-square courtyard at the rear of their cells.

The court heard the Gordon Unit where Patterson is held was recently described as 'appalling' by a County Court judge.

Mr Mandy argued no person should be caged for the remainder of their life under such extreme conditions.

'So informing the question of whether a non-parole period should be fixed, we submit are the conditions and circumstances of her imprisonment. Plainly where a prisoner is held in isolation or separation as it's described here, that's a factor relevant to sentence,' he told the court.

'The contention is that Ms Patterson will likely be held in those conditions for the foreseeable future and perhaps ... for the entire length of her sentence.'

Mr Mandy pointed to the case of Cardinal George Pell, who faced similar jail conditions when he was originally sentenced over historical child sex offences that were eventually overturned.

'We use that phrase "likely" because it falls within Chief Judge Kidd's ruling in Pell where his honour said that it's necessary for the court to inform themselves as to the probabilities of a custodial situation,' Mr Mandy said.

'(Patterson) will in our submission always be at risk from other prisoners and that risk, regrettably, given the auspices of the custodial arrangement, can only be effectively managed by isolation. Those are very deprived circumstances.'

Justice Beale suggested some concern over the prospect of Patterson being held within the Gordon Unit for the entirety of her sentence.

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View gallery
Justice Christopher Beale holds the future of Erin Patterson in his hands
'(It) doesn't sound very humane,' he said.

As it stands, the judge has no real idea whether or not Patterson will indeed spend her life caged in isolation.

'Your honour cannot sentence on the basis of prediction or mere speculation,' Ms Warren told him.

'Well, I feel fairly confident that she's going to remain notorious for a long, long time,' Justice Beale responded.

Ms Warren argued Justice Beale could not sentence on the basis that Patterson would spend her entire sentence in those conditions.

'But, we accept, certainly, the foreseeable future,' she said.

While Patterson's epic 10-week trial was held in Morwell, in Victoria's east, Justice Beale will hand down his sentence in Melbourne on September 8 due to maintenance issues in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts.

Judgement day approaches for Erin Patterson

Triple murderer Erin Patterson is facing dying in prison alone as her ultimate fate is set to be decided on Monday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why can’t they just ship her off to a different prison if they can’t accomodate her there? IMO

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Justice Beale must not forget how Gail and Don Patterson, Heather Wilkinson died, and how they suffered, lacking dignity, with diarrhea, vomiting. With a prolonged and agonising death, along with survivor Ian Wilkinson's extreme prolonged pain, whether he will die as well after consuming the death cap mushrooms.

 

[ishtvara]

Justice Beale must not forget how Gail and Don Patterson, Heather Wilkinson died, and how they suffered, lacking dignity, with diarrhea, vomiting. With a prolonged and agonising death, along with survivor Ian Wilkinson's extreme prolonged pain, whether he will die as well after consuming the death cap mushrooms.

Also the complete lack of remorse. I hope he will put a lot of weight on Ian's Victim Impact Statement. I will be surprised and disappointed if she gets less than a 25-30 year non-parole period.

 

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Also the complete lack of remorse. I hope he will put a lot of weight on Ian's Victim Impact Statement. I will be surprised and disappointed if she gets less than a 25-30 year non-parole period.

I don’t think less than 30 is possible tbh. IMO

 

[LinasK]

I don’t think less than 30 is possible tbh. IMO

So much for her "forever home" and raising her children. Erin will be an old woman before she ever gets released from prison. And no one will ever trust anything she gives them to eat or drink ever again.

 

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So much for her "forever home" and raising her children. Erin will be an old woman before she ever gets released from prison. And no one will ever trust anything she gives them to eat or drink ever again.

Imagine all the things she will miss out on, like their graduations, weddings, having children etc. Was it worth it, Erin? 3 lives lost and a family in ruins.

 

[Two SCents]

In my opinion, the so called best friends (who have never met EP in person), who testified for the prosecution, now seem to be looking for their own 5 minutes of fame in this horrendous mess. To be writing books, just seems to be a money grab by them.

There is a lot more to it than a money grab. The author Daniella Barkley has other reasons for putting her experiences in writing.

 

[LinasK]

There is a lot more to it than a money grab. The author has other reasons for putting her experiences in writing.

Which author are you referring to?

 

[Two SCents]

Which author are you referring to?

I've edited the post. Daniela Barkley

 

[Lisbeth_S]

I don’t think less than 30 is possible tbh. IMO

I personally don't think she should have any...I could consider it if it was 1 count, but with THREE premeditated and meticulously planned murders (+ one attempted murder) I think one should reasonably expect to not get out of prison ever.

 

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I personally don't think she should have any...I could consider it if it was 1 count, but with THREE premeditated and meticulously planned murders (+ one attempted murder) I think one should reasonably expect to not get out of prison ever.

I agree! I really hope Justice Beale gives her life without parole.