GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

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There is a lot more to it than a money grab. The author Daniella Barkley has other reasons for putting her experiences in writing.

I presume ‘True Crime’ to be considered fairly low-bar in generating a sufficient profit margin and recognition of authors. If it’s money Danni is hoping for, she will be sorely disappointed.

Don’t get me wrong, I am big fan of literature and have cited several thesis’s over the years. My main focus is forensic psychology, I find the most valuable knowledge is gained directly with the patient.

IMO, the individual in the case I would be willing to engage as an author would be Erin, with potentially Simon later on.

 

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In my opinion, the so called best friends (who have never met EP in person), who testified for the prosecution, now seem to be looking for their own 5 minutes of fame in this horrendous mess. To be writing books, just seems to be a money grab by them.

There won’t be much to grab.

 

[Monstradamus]

Sentencing Hearing to be live streamed.
(Paywalled)

Mushroom killer’s sentence to be broadcast live in court first

The Supreme Court will allow Justice Christopher Beale’s sentencing of Erin Patterson to be televised live.

www.theage.com.au

 

[packetgravy]

To be fair to Ali, and despite all the flack she’s copping, she’s the only one acting like a ‘good / best’ friend.

I think we’ve all had acquaintances who’ve turned out to be rather ‘interesting’ in their choices, some of which you / we / me maybe got caught up in - and the old saying ‘should write a book’ comes out.

Imo, these online acquaintances of EP are doing just that - capitalising on a situation presented to them by someone who has made it clear to them that they didn’t know one bit of who she really was !

She used them them to fill her time, to feed her ego & her need for control, and she lied to them (either directly or by omission), as she went on to plot her path toward committing multiple murders & attempted murders, and then attempt to lie her way out of responsibility.

No doubt they’re very angry. .. et al.

Maybe in readings their writings, one can only hope that Erin gains some insight, as it’s the lack of the ability to look inwards that is the stumbling block to many a personal growth. IMO .

This is a really interesting perspective and one I think on often.

From an outsider perspective, Ali seems to be conducting herself in a respectful and compassionate manner. I admire these attributes, particularly if she is truly is in social work.

My girlfriend and I went to high-school with a boy I became best friends with. We had very different backgrounds, he lived on the rough side of town and his parents were involved in gangs. He wanted more for his life, he was a good kid, good at sport.

The pressure growing up in that environment became too heavy and one night he got involved in an altercation with another gang.. and someone died. He was arrested and put away for life, for murder.

He was the big reason I got into what I do and remains my greatest motivator.

 

[Detechtive]

Sentencing Hearing to be live streamed.
(Paywalled)

Mushroom killer’s sentence to be broadcast live in court first

The Supreme Court will allow Justice Christopher Beale’s sentencing of Erin Patterson to be televised live.

www.theage.com.au

Wish we could have a huge websleuths screening party.

 

[Detechtive]

I presume ‘True Crime’ to be considered fairly low-bar in generating a sufficient profit margin and recognition of authors. If it’s money Danni is hoping for, she will be sorely disappointed.

Don’t get me wrong, I am big fan of literature and have cited several thesis’s over the years. My main focus is forensic psychology, I find the most valuable knowledge is gained directly with the patient.

IMO, the individual in the case I would be willing to engage as an author would be Erin, with potentially Simon later on.

Erin will never write a book, lol. Proceeds of crime act and all that.

 

[ishtvara]

I agree! I really hope Justice Beale gives her life without parole.

I hope for LWOP but I do think JB will also put weight on the 'noteriety' of the case and the imprisonment conditions based on his comments to date. Even if she is eligible for parole at 80 years of age she won't necessarily get it.

 

[Kemug]

I recall hearing she asked Simon’s brother (prior to her arrest) to take care of the kids. ...perhaps her wisest move.
One would hope that occurred & that he has been facilitating their growth toward a respectful & loving relationship, with care and consideration.

RSBM
Most normal people (but Erin appears to be not quite normal) in her situation might have asked their sister to help care for the children. But it seems they were estranged long ago, and I think we're all pretty sure about whose fault that would have been. But Simon will do well I think, and will have female relatives who can help.

 

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I hope for LWOP but I do think JB will also put weight on the 'noteriety' of the case and the imprisonment conditions based on his comments to date. Even if she is eligible for parole at 80 years of age she won't necessarily get it.

That’s 30 years away … who knows what our lifespan and attitudes towards imprisonment will be then.

 

[MsMarple]

Justice Beale must not forget how Gail and Don Patterson, Heather Wilkinson died, and how they suffered, lacking dignity, with diarrhea, vomiting. With a prolonged and agonising death, along with survivor Ian Wilkinson's extreme prolonged pain, whether he will die as well after consuming the death cap mushrooms.

Amen to that! Erin’s poisoning of Ian has likely shortened his life, not only due to irreversible damage to his health but also from her depriving him of his dear wife Heather. Studies have shown that people live longer when they have a life partner. Ian has been sentenced to a solitary life thanks to Erin and her selfish, delusional behavior.

I hope Erin spends every single day of her miserable life segregated from human interaction except for that crazy terrorist inmate! She deserves the same consideration that she gave Ian and his family. JMO

 

[Marg944]

Sentencing for mushroom killer Erin Patterson to be broadcast live in Victorian Supreme Court first​

“In a first for the Victorian Supreme Court, the sentencing of mushroom killer Erin Patterson for the murder of three people will be broadcast live.

The sentencing for triple murderer Erin Patterson will be broadcast live in a first for the Victorian Supreme Court.
A television camera will be inside the courtroom on Monday when Justice Christopher Beale sentences Patterson for the murders of her parents-in-law Don and Gail Patterson and Gail’s sister Heather Wilkinson.

It is usually illegal for the media and public to take photos or record video or audio of court proceedings.

The broadcast will only show Justice Beale, not Patterson or anyone else in the courtroom.

Justice Beale has indicated his sentencing remarks will take about 30 minutes.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/sentencing-for-mushroom-killer-erin-patterson-to-be-broadcast-live-in-victorian-supreme-court-first/news-story/a9e3764eb9acaab60a0681a889fbf36d

 

[ch_13]

Sentencing for mushroom killer Erin Patterson to be broadcast live in Victorian Supreme Court first​

“In a first for the Victorian Supreme Court, the sentencing of mushroom killer Erin Patterson for the murder of three people will be broadcast live.

The sentencing for triple murderer Erin Patterson will be broadcast live in a first for the Victorian Supreme Court.
A television camera will be inside the courtroom on Monday when Justice Christopher Beale sentences Patterson for the murders of her parents-in-law Don and Gail Patterson and Gail’s sister Heather Wilkinson.

It is usually illegal for the media and public to take photos or record video or audio of court proceedings.

The broadcast will only show Justice Beale, not Patterson or anyone else in the courtroom.

Justice Beale has indicated his sentencing remarks will take about 30 minutes.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/sentencing-for-mushroom-killer-erin-patterson-to-be-broadcast-live-in-victorian-supreme-court-first/news-story/a9e3764eb9acaab60a0681a889fbf36d

I know from a legal standpoint it shouldn't matter, but I can't help but think that the judge wouldn't have approved a camera in the courtroom if he is going to give EP a light sentence. I suspect he's going to throw the book at her.

 

[packetgravy]

Erin will never write a book, lol. Proceeds of crime act and all that.

That would be a shame considering how unique her case is, the learning opportunity is highly valuable.

Simon would be a close second.

Personally I wouldn’t bother with anything from the Facebook group members as there would be nothing of value for me.
I am sure other True Crime enthusiasts may take some interest.


IMO

 

[ch_13]

That would be a shame considering how unique her case is, the learning opportunity is highly valuable.

I can't imagine a book by Erin Patterson would contain a single thing that I care to read about. Just like her testimony in court, it would be a mess of contradictory, self-serving lies.

 

[packetgravy]

I can't imagine a book by Erin Patterson would contain a single thing that I care to read about. Just like her testimony in court, it would be a mess of contradictory, self-serving lies.

Yes! Fascinating for those specialising in psych, an invaluable learning tool.

IMO I found her testimony and police interview v interesting.

 

[LinasK]

I presume ‘True Crime’ to be considered fairly low-bar in generating a sufficient profit margin and recognition of authors. If it’s money Danni is hoping for, she will be sorely disappointed.

Don’t get me wrong, I am big fan of literature and have cited several thesis’s over the years. My main focus is forensic psychology, I find the most valuable knowledge is gained directly with the patient.

IMO, the individual in the case I would be willing to engage as an author would be Erin, with potentially Simon later on.

What do you think Erin will divulge that will actually be the truth?

 

[packetgravy]

What do you think Erin will divulge that will actually be the truth?

Erin’s unreliability isn’t a drawback; it’s the point.

Her case arms us with the tools to identify unreliable narrators and manage varying manipulation tactics in real-world contexts

Take Bundy for instance, undeniably one of the most terrifying and well known criminals of all time.

And he was so full of sh*t.

One of my personal learning favourites from Ted is offender presentation/identities:
He crafted different “masks” (law student, charming neighbour, victim, active step-father etc). His behaviour taught me how offenders effectively master various identities in order to manipulate those around them. Critical for profiling, interviewing, assessing and courtroom strategy.

 

[LinasK]

Erin’s unreliability isn’t a drawback; it’s the point.

Her case arms us with the tools to identify unreliable narrators and manage varying manipulation tactics in real-world contexts

Take Bundy for instance, undeniably one of the most terrifying and well known criminals of all time.

And he was so full of sh*t.

One of my personal learning favourites from Ted is offender presentation/identities:
He crafted different “masks” (law student, charming neighbour, victim, active step-father etc). His behaviour taught me how offenders effectively master various identities in order to manipulate those around them. Critical for profiling, interviewing, assessing and courtroom strategy.

The thing is- I don't actually see her being transparent at all like the kinds of predators that they show on the TV shows "Signs of a Psychopath" or "Evil Speaks" where they actually do open up and divulge their true motives and feelings. She's already told enough lies on the stand for me to know she's not the least bit credible. I don't need to hear anymore from her, nor her to profit in any way (even attention) from her notoriety. Her case can be studied without interviewing her.

 

[packetgravy]

The thing is- I don't actually see her being transparent at all like the kinds of predators that they show on the TV shows "Signs of a Psychopath" or "Evil Speaks" where they actually do open up and divulge their true motives and feelings. She's already told enough lies on the stand for me to know she's not the least bit credible. I don't need to hear anymore from her, nor her to profit in any way (even attention) from her notoriety. Her case can be studied without interviewing her.

There are so many layers here.

Like Ted, Erin is not valuable because she tells the truth. She is valuable because she doesn’t and that gap between narrative and evidence/reality is an educational rarity. Factor in Erin as a female mass murderer from a wealthy and educated background whose weapon of choice was poison…

I completely understand this being of no value to many. Hindsight bias does lend a little to these situations though, even if it’s true humans are naturally good at clocking a criminals fabrications.

For me though, as long as Erin is alive she remains an invaluable learning tool.

 

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The thing is- I don't actually see her being transparent at all like the kinds of predators that they show on the TV shows "Signs of a Psychopath" or "Evil Speaks" where they actually do open up and divulge their true motives and feelings. She's already told enough lies on the stand for me to know she's not the least bit credible. I don't need to hear anymore from her, nor her to profit in any way (even attention) from her notoriety. Her case can be studied without interviewing her.

Exactly! She will spend forever denying her guilt and spinning it to blame someone else, IMO