GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[LinasK]

Who suggested I was visiting her, certainly not me.

You did. You said it was vital to your work that she be studied.

 

[packetgravy]

I can't find it.

Stank.

I liken it to cases such as Bundy’s.

In short, his unreliability was not a drawback… it’s the entire point. Studying him armed those in the field with the tools to effectively handle unreliable narrators, to recognise manipulation tactics and identify better investigative procedures. This is just the tip of the iceberg, the domino effect still benefits us today!

 

[packetgravy]

You did. You said it was vital to your work that she be studied.

Which translates to… a visit to prison?

 

[LinasK]

Which translates to… a visit to prison?

Yes, you made it sound like you wanted to interview her in person.

 

[drsleuth]

Stank.

I liken it to cases such as Bundy’s.

In short, his unreliability was not a drawback… it’s the entire point. Studying him armed those in the field with the tools to effectively handle unreliable narrators, to recognise manipulation tactics and identify better investigative procedures. This is just the tip of the iceberg, the domino effect still benefits us today!

Erin's case is nothing like Bundy's.

He targeted random people.

Erin is a domestic multiple murderer.

Can you give examples of what things might be gained from "studying" Erin??

 

[LinasK]

Erin's case is nothing like Bundy's.

He targeted random people.

Erin is a domestic multiple murderer.

Can you give examples of what things might be gained from "studying" Erin??

Exactly! He was targeting complete strangers, an opportunist. Sleeping women, co-eds, and he wasn't poisoning them. It was sexual gratification for him. Erin wanted revenge against family members and chose poison as her method. And he one killed one person at a time- another difference.

 

[Detechtive]

Do you think they really believe it’s a conspiracy or are they just gaslighting?

I think some people truly believe everything is a conspiracy, like sovereign citizen types like Ali Rose.

Hang on, what?

Of course. And tracking him.

 

[Detechtive]

Exactly! He was targeting complete strangers, an opportunist. Sleeping women, co-eds, and he wasn't poisoning them. It was sexual gratification for him. Erin wanted revenge against family members and chose poison as her method. And he one killed one person at a time- another difference.

Agree!

Erin Patterson and Ted Bundy are nothing alike. Bundy was a predatory serial killer who hunted strangers for sexual gratification and sadistic thrill, using overt physical violence. Erin, by contrast, operated in the domestic sphere, targeting her own family circle through covert means like poisoning. Bundy was an outward-facing psychopath driven by lust and notoriety; Erin fits the profile of a family annihilator and poisoner, driven by control, resentment, and the need to dominate those closest to her. Their methods, motives, and victim choices couldn’t be more different. IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Agree!

Erin Patterson and Ted Bundy are nothing alike. Bundy was a predatory serial killer who hunted strangers for sexual gratification and sadistic thrill, using overt physical violence. Erin, by contrast, operated in the domestic sphere, targeting her own family circle through covert means like poisoning. Bundy was an outward-facing psychopath driven by lust and notoriety; Erin fits the profile of a family annihilator and poisoner, driven by control, resentment, and the need to dominate those closest to her. Their methods, motives, and victim choices couldn’t be more different. IMO

To be the counterpoint just briefly, if anything, Erin's style of offending needs more study. There has been a high focus on white middle class sexually motivated stranger killers who identify as male for decades. Virtually nothing about women who kill in a serial or mass fashion. And there isn't as much about family annihilators in general because of the high proportion who complete suicide in the same event as murdering their families.

MOO

 

[packetgravy]

Erin's case is nothing like Bundy's.

He targeted random people.

Erin is a domestic multiple murderer.

Can you give examples of what things might be gained from "studying" Erin??

Sorry mate my reply got deleted, I don’t think I am can speak on it in a professional capacity.

Perhaps it’s ok if I speak more personally, and IMO type banter. But not sure that’s what’s you’re after anyway.

 

[Ellery84]

I think some people truly believe everything is a conspiracy, like sovereign citizen types like Ali Rose.

Was Erin a sovereign citizen? Did she identify as such?

Of course. And tracking him.

What do you mean Erin was tracking Simon? How

 

[Detechtive]

Was Erin a sovereign citizen? Did she identify as such?

What do you mean Erin was tracking Simon? How

Erin wasn’t a sovereign citizen but she had some paranoid ideas. Her POA is the anti vax Covid conspiracy type.

Edit to add: I don’t actually know if she went all sovcit during Covid - I wouldn’t be surprised if she did, though. Using signal is weird, imo

As for tracking Simon I don’t know for certain but certainly she would have been, imo. It fits her profile perfectly. Irl and online, imo! How did she find out about the tax status change

 

[Detechtive]

To be the counterpoint just briefly, if anything, Erin's style of offending needs more study. There has been a high focus on white middle class sexually motivated stranger killers who identify as male for decades. Virtually nothing about women who kill in a serial or mass fashion. And there isn't as much about family annihilators in general because of the high proportion who complete suicide in the same event as murdering their families.

MOO

I do agree because she’s quite an unusual mix of a female family annihilator who usually kill their offspring, and it’s usually by suffocation or violence, and a covert poisoner.

I think more than anything her brain needs to have MRI scans to see if she fits the neurological psychopath testing.

If we could test these people from childhood and better understand at risk people there’s likely a way to help prevent these horrific crimes. Interviewing them is a fools errand because they’re always manipulating. IMO

 

[Ellery84]

I do agree because she’s quite an unusual mix of a female family annihilator who usually kill their offspring, and it’s usually by suffocation or violence, and a covert poisoner.

I think more than anything her brain needs to have MRI scans to see if she fits the neurological psychopath testing.

If we could test these people from childhood and better understand at risk people there’s likely a way to help prevent these horrific crimes. Interviewing them is a fools errand because they’re always manipulating. IMO

I wonder if she had a traumatic brain injury when from when she was drink driving? Did she crash a vehicle?

 

[AMJR]

Does anyone know what time Monday the sentencing is going to start and where online it will air? I tried a search but couldn’t find anything specific.

I’m going to be on holiday two hours ahead of Victoria and want to try and tune in if I can.

 

[SouthAussie]

Does anyone know what time Monday the sentencing is going to start and where online it will air? I tried a search but couldn’t find anything specific.

I’m going to be on holiday two hours ahead of Victoria and want to try and tune in if I can.

"Justice Christopher Beale’s sentence of Erin Patterson will be livestreamed and televised on Monday September 8 from 9.30am."

I think the news outlet links for the livestreaming are yet to come. AFAIK

There is a vimeo link for the livestreaming here (you have to join vimeo).

https://vimeo.com/event/5357020

Erin Patterson sentence livestreamed

For the first time, the Court is allowing a television camera in court to broadcast live.

www.supremecourt.vic.gov.au

 

[iamshadow21]

I wonder if she had a traumatic brain injury when from when she was drink driving? Did she crash a vehicle?

I'd say if there was anything like that in her medical history, her lawyer would have leveraged it as a mitigation point. He is good enough at his job that there is about zero chance he wouldn't have seen the potential of it. He tried to leverage a diagnosis she lied about having, if there was actual medical proof she'd had an injury that can seriously change personality, impulse control, and propensity for violence, he would have led with that.

MOO

 

[Marg944]

 

[packetgravy]

To be the counterpoint just briefly, if anything, Erin's style of offending needs more study. There has been a high focus on white middle class sexually motivated stranger killers who identify as male for decades. Virtually nothing about women who kill in a serial or mass fashion. And there isn't as much about family annihilators in general because of the high proportion who complete suicide in the same event as murdering their families.

MOO

Yes.

Beyond that, ideally there would be wider knowledge on the impacts of media bias/representation and how this influences public perception. A huge part of Erin’s guilt was assumed only days after the lunch due to her “strange” wording, facial expressions and overall behaviour.

There is a general lack of public knowledge in terms of nuances associated with conditions such as ASD. Occasionally this introduces harmful barriers during the investigation process (and following, for others who may be under the ND umbrella).

The impacts of this are often felt by those in the neurodiverse community and lends to the stigmatisation/gross generalisations of a widely misunderstood and complex human experience.

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes.

Beyond that, ideally there would be wider knowledge on the impacts of media bias/representation and how this influences public perception. A huge part of Erin’s guilt was assumed only days after the lunch due to her “strange” wording, facial expressions and overall behaviour.

There is a general lack of public knowledge in terms of nuances associated with conditions such as ASD. Occasionally this introduces harmful barriers during the investigation process (and following, for others who may be under the ND umbrella).

The impacts of this are often felt by those in the neurodiverse community and lends to the stigmatisation/gross generalisations of a widely misunderstood and complex human experience.

I, personally, don't think she's autistic, but the problem comes about when manipulative and violent people fake claim being neurodiverse to try and get away with behaviour that's abusive and illegal.

Her behaviour in the wake of the poisoning was because she didn't care about the welfare of the people she murdered. Not because she was autistic.

Manipulative people think they can whip out a disability or neurodivergence and decent people will back off and not question. It's something EP heavily relied on in all of her interactions. Cancer, eating disorder, bad back, autism, abusive parents... it's all the same garbage.

But for people actually living with the conditions, their lives become harder because the false linkage has been made because of this case.

MOO