GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #21

[LinasK]

Cell tower evidence used by the prosecution is exactly what will be used at Samantha Murphys murder trial. Patterson's defence pulled this apart in court. I was under the impression that cell tower readings were fairly accurate in what expert witnesses say about them. MOO

Yes, it places her at the locations where the Death Caps were growing.

 

[LinasK]

I know right !!

Half an hour after the lunch - off she pops to the Rubbish Tip - all on CCTV (released after trial) FFS

I'm gobsmacked that WASNT allowed into evidence.

Justice is STACKED for the perp !! - always !!

IMO EP big mistake was taking the stand - if she shut up she might have gotten away with it.
Just like all the bikies do in Australia (members of outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMCGs))

Sociopaths always think that they can snow juries.

 

[Detechtive]

While I would never be sympathetic to her, it's obvious IMO that she had self-esteem issues that she decided to project onto others, perhaps as an attempt to feel better. This, coupled with an inability to properly communicate and leave hurts in the past, would prove to have murderous repercussions. imo

I just can’t see the self esteem issues. On the contrary, she is grandiose.
She had some issues with body image but that fits narcissism.

As for her oppression on the stand, puhlease. She stupidly chose to speak and made a fool and liar of herself.

On another note, interesting she’s also appealing based on her former friends testimonies, even though I felt they were quite favourable. It was only inevitable that she turned on them al too. Like she does everyone. IMO

 

[Monstradamus]

In my opinion, a history of foraging would lead a person to believe that Erin didn't pick Death Caps accidentally. She knew exactly which mushrooms to look for, or avoid if she wanted to.

That's what I've thought all along.

 

[Eaglette]

That's what I've thought all along.

I've personally mixed up Self Raising Flour and Plain Flour - mistakes can be made

"Said, the Dalek climbing off the Dustbin "

 

[Monstradamus]

I've personally mixed up Self Raising Flour and Plain Flour - mistakes can be made

"Said, the Dalek climbing off the Dustbin "

But didn't kill anyone, I'm guessing?

 

[JBowie]

[...] conclude that there was no error and that the lower court's decision stands

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on this outcome.

 

[JLZ]

It is not as if there are lots of hotels in Morwell. Erin wanted the trial in Morwell. She got it. Now she includes the jury accommodation in her appeal.

I guess they are throwing whatever appeal item they can at the wall and hoping something sticks.

imo

They could have built new accommodation for her jury. And called it The Erin Patterson Trial Hotel. It would have been a landmark tourist attraction like Glenrowan.

 

[MissTilly]

My grocery store offers individual beef wellies.

Hard pass.

I don't even know her, but her damage extends beyond the pond.

JMO

as does my butcher, i do buy them occasionally - he appreciates the opportunity to make a witty EP related remark

moo

 

[Detechtive]

They could have built new accommodation for her jury. And called it The Erin Patterson Trial Hotel. It would have been a landmark tourist attraction like Glenrowan.

I really think she should sell her nasty crochet art pieces to the wider public. She could make $$$, IMO

 

[BreakingNews]

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on this outcome.

Or they could increase the time.

 

[LinasK]

I really think she should sell her nasty crochet art pieces to the wider public. She could make $$$, IMO

Any money she made on them should go to Ian and Simon for restitution.

 

[Susjay]

I constantly find myself shocked through revelations like this. I really feel for the kids living with a mother like EP. They did not and do not deserve such terrible things to be said about looks. She truly disgusts me

My thoughts are with the victims and families now. To have all this stuff dragged up and around again and more of their lives exposed. Hope this is all shut down and put to bed ASAP for their sakes. Fingers crossed.

 

[seasideForest]

I don’t know any mother that could look at their little child and not see perfection only. We are blinded by love, and in my experience it’s not possible to think it let alone say it.

IMO

I've got news for you. There are mothers quite capable, other than EP I mean. My own is an example but not the only one. At least my mother didn't murder anybody though.

 

[Susjay]

Cell tower evidence used by the prosecution is exactly what will be used at Samantha Murphys murder trial. Patterson's defence pulled this apart in court. I was under the impression that cell tower readings were fairly accurate in what expert witnesses say about them. MOO

Agree, phone data was presented as showing someone was in vicinity or around a location, but not what they were doing there. The defence argued it didn’t pinpoint exact location. Not perfectly pinpoint location but in the vicinity at the time to get the toxin. Maybe the murderer just lent her cell phone to a friend at that time? The cat?
This is an example I think of when circumstantial evidence comes together to bolster other evidence that leads to conviction. For someone to have been in a location, right where the mushrooms were reported to be growing, and then go and purchase a dehydrator, which was later found with traces of toxic mushrooms after being seen on CCTV being dumped by accused … etc etc.

 

[LinasK]

Agree, phone data was presented as showing someone was in vicinity or around a location, but not what they were doing there. The defence argued it didn’t pinpoint exact location. Not perfectly pinpoint location but in the vicinity at the time to get the toxin. Maybe the murderer just lent her cell phone to a friend at that time? The cat?
This is an example I think of when circumstantial evidence comes together to bolster other evidence that leads to conviction. For someone to have been in a location, right where the mushrooms were reported to be growing, and then go and purchase a dehydrator, which was later found with traces of toxic mushrooms after being seen on CCTV being dumped by accused … etc etc.

I can only speak for the US, but my husband used to work for ATT. The way that I understand it, cell phones can be used to hit off more than one tower, and they compare positions by what's called triangulating them. That's how they can determine a more exact location. What is Erin's excuse for her phone just happening to be in the area(s) that Death Cap mushrooms grow? It's been clearly proven that she didn't buy any at any Asian grocer because the authorities investigated and no Death Cap mushrooms are sold commercially.

 

[JBowie]

I really think she should sell her nasty crochet art pieces to the wider public. She could make $$$, IMO

I think that may run afoul of the federal Proceeds of Crime Act 2002.

 

[Monstradamus]

I can only speak for the US, but my husband used to work for ATT. The way that I understand it, cell phones can be used to hit off more than one tower, and they compare positions by what's called triangulating them. That's how they can determine a more exact location. What is Erin's excuse for her phone just happening to be in the area(s) that Death Cap mushrooms grow? It's been clearly proven that she didn't buy any at any Asian grocer because the authorities investigated and no Death Cap mushrooms are sold commercially.

Exactly.
Where did the DCs come from? They didn't magically appear in her Pantry.
They also didn't magically appear in her own portion of the meal.
Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Eloise]

I think that may run afoul of the federal Proceeds of Crime Act 2002.

I'm not sure. That's only for things directly related to the crime, I believe. Like selling the story, or selling things you gained during the committing of a crime. I know in NSW, prisoners can create artwork that is sold to the public and most of the money goes back to the prisoner.

 

[JBowie]

(pay-walled)

After reading Peter Craven's review here in The Australian, this is not a book that I will bother with.

"Literary giant Helen Garner joins two other writers for an unexpected perspective on Erin Patterson, who is appealing her murder conviction."

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/culture/poison-pen-a-new-take-on-the-mushroom-trial/news-story/71a3524e354666dfddaa45dab5be4bf5

The Mushroom Tapes: Conversations on a Triple Murder Trial : Krasnostein, Sarah, Hooper, Chloe: Amazon.com.au: Books

The Mushroom Tapes: Conversations on a Triple Murder Trial : Krasnostein, Sarah, Hooper, Chloe: Amazon.com.au: Books

www.amazon.com.au