CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #12

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  • #121
A few more additions based on the info from JuM's community forum.

My additions/updates in red.


Timeline

Jun, 2002
• Bob and his first wife GH move from Monrovia to Placentia

Mar, 2008
• Bob’s first wife of 59 years, GH, passed away after a prolonged illness

Apr 1, 2008
• GH – “Harrod - Safekeeping Will” filed in Orange County, CA Probate Court (Case No. 30-2008-00068771-PR-OP-LJC)

Early 2009?
• Bob decided he needed some time away from his daughters and he asked them to leave him alone for six months

Date?
• Orange County Social Services conducted an investigation of suspected elder financial abuse. Family was told that Bob did not want to pursue the issue (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tuesday April 21, 2009 JeM laid off (ref post by JuM on her community forum)

End of May, 2009
• FH’s daughter, who grew up listening to stories about her mother's first love (Bob), found Bob's number and dialed it so FH could speak to Bob

Tues, June 23, 2009
• FH came to visit Bob in Placentia for the first time, after having spoken by phone for several weeks prior

Sat, June 27, 2009
• Bob called daughter RB to tell her for the first time about Fontelle and that they wanted to get married and hoped the family would be there once they figured out the date, etc. (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Mon, June 29, 2009
• Bob and FH got married at the Fullerton courthouse without telling either family

Thurs, July 2, 2009
• Bob and FH told their families about the marriage (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Date?
• Per Bob’s daughter RB, the hairdresser called Bob and said she had no money and no place to live (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Fri, July 3, 2009
• Daughter RB met FH for the first time (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Per Bob’s daughter RB, Bob wrote a check to the hairdresser (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tues, July 7, 2009
• FH returned to her Missouri home to pack up her belongings before making the move to Placentia
• KTLA crew interviewed Bob about the reunion with FH
Video: http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/787b96...ambers-reports

Date?
• Bob's daughter JM contacted Orange County Social Services for the 2nd time regarding suspected elder financial abuse (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Weds, July 15, 2009
-JuM helping Bob remove Georgia's personal things from Bob's home.
(ref post by JuM on her community forum)

Friday, July 17, 2009
-Letter from daughter RB to Bob's attorney

Thurs, July 23, 2009
-PB visit with Bob. (ref PB statement trial transcript hairdresser)

Sat, July 25, 2009
• Bob was last seen by a neighbor or neighbors

Sun, July 26, 2009
• Afternoon – Bob’s 3 daughters went to his house in Placentia
• Police: They argued over finances / money
• FH: Bob said his daughters became upset when he told them he planned to include his new wife in the estate
• Daughter PB: “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms.” (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Daughter RB: She said her father lost his temper. She said he had failed to provide copies of their mother's will, which he was obligated to do because of the financial mechanisms set up by the estate. "It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."
• Evening - FH last spoke to Bob by phone while she was in MO
• ~8:00PM – Sunset in CA

Mon, July 27, 2009
• Weather: Low temp: 68.5 F, high temp: 91.4 F, avg: 78.2 F; precipitation: 0.0
• ~6:00AM – Sunrise in CA
• 9:30AM – JM, Bob’s son-in-law, arrived at Bob’s house
• AM/Time? – SIL went to CVS in Placentia in the AM, and he purchased soda and paper plates (rumor/hearsay)
-9:50'sh am time Bob went missing (ref daughter JuM post on her community forum, see 1:50pm July 28 info below)
• 10:00AM – Per officials, there was a phone call to Bob, which is the last time anyone other than SIL JM verified he was at the house. (Ref: This was a comment posted by the reporter/writer of article Adam Townsend, under the actual article) (Note: Was this the call with the housekeeper?)
• Morning - Bob talked to the housekeeper on the phone and told her to come
• 11:00AM-12:00 – Per daughter PB, she called and spoke to Bob during this time. She said she heard SIL (her BIL) say he was going to the hardware store and her father “responded in a favorable way.” She also posted that her number “came up as private.” (ref: NAMUS report published Aug 18, 2009 and August 11, 2009 post on IS forum)
-Noonish - House Keeper arrives to find no answer and no key in mail box. (ref: housekeeper Disappeared teaser/clip)
-12:15-12:30 House keeper states SIL JeM pulled into the driveway to find her waiting and no answer at Bob's (ref: Disappeared teaser/clip)
-Noon - One - time Bob went missing (ref daughter JuM statement KTLV video)
• ~2:30PM-2:40PM – SIL JM left Bob’s house and went to Home Depot (ref OC Register and LA Times articles)
• Time? – SIL JM arrived at Home Depot. (Note: Unknown which Home Depot JM went to. There is a Home Depot at 601 S Placentia Ave, Fullerton, CA 92831-5199. Distance is only 2.7 miles from Bob’s address in Placentia, about a 6-minute drive. There is another Home Depot located at 2455 E Imperial Hwy, Brea, CA 92821-6114. Distance from Bob’s address in Placentia is 2.8 miles, about a 7-minute drive.)
• Time? – The housekeeper arrived at Bob’s house. The door was locked and nobody answered (rumor/hearsay she arrived at ~3PM) (see above with housekeepers statement via Disappeared).
• 3:04PM – SIL JM paid for purchases at Home Depot (time stamp of purchase receipt). It has not been made public what the purchase was
• 3:30PM – SIL JM arrived back at Bob’s house from Home Depot, and the housekeeper was sitting on the porch, waiting to be let in. She told SIL JM the door was locked and nobody was answering, and that Bob might be taking a nap. SIL JM then went into the house to check, and Bob was not there. SIL JM told the housekeeper his father-in-law might have gone to visit a neighbor
• Time? – The housekeeper cleaned and left the house
• 6:00PM – SIL JM left the house and headed home to Running Springs
• Time? – SIL JM arrived home in Running Springs
• ~8:00PM – FH called Bob’s house but he didn’t answer. She called him every 20 minutes until daughter JM later called to say her father was missing
• Evening/Night – Bob’s daughter JM called the house, and there was no answer. She called her sisters, RB and PB
• Evening/Night – Daughter RB posted later that she called Placentia Police to do a wellness/welfare check at Bob’s residence (not confirmed; possible discrepancy). Officers found the house/car secure and no signs of foul play. (dispatched for well being check at 9:32 pm per police report.)
• Evening/Night – Bob’s daughter JM called FH in Missouri and told her Bob was missing

Date? Time?
• Daughter JM went to Bob’s house to “change the linens” (per daughter’s Aug 4th post on ROTW stating that before she went dth to get the house ready, linens changed for he and his wife; she started to call all the local hospitals, coroner’s office, etc.) http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=4)

Tues, July 28, 2009
• Time? - FH called the PPD from Missouri and filed a missing persons report (rumor/hearsay time was 12:22PM Pacific Daylight Time - CA and 2:22AM Central Daylight Time – MO) 12:22am Pacific Daylight Time per police report.
• Time? - Daughter JM gave an interview to a reporter in Bob’s house. She said her husband was with her dad at his home the day before, he went to the hardware store alone, and when he came back, her dad was gone. Asked what time, she replied “We’re thinking maybe 1, noon?” The reporter also quotes JM as saying her father is showing signs of dementia.
• 1:50PM – Daughter JM posts on ROTW that her father had been missing for approximately 28 hours (which would have been ~10:00AM on Mon) http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0 JuM suspects foul play (ref JuM post on her community forum)
• After Bob disappeared, someone -- police won't say who -- told officers he might have regretted the decision to marry. For three days police thought they were dealing with a case of cold feet

Wed, July 29, 2009
• Daytime - FH returned to Bob’s house in Placentia from MO with her daughter (as previously scheduled). Bob’s daughters RB and JM were at the house when she arrived. Daughter PB had been there but left to go to her nephew’s house because of the news frenzy (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
Video: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/st...8227798&page=1
Video: http://cbs2.com/local/newlywed.groom...2.1120666.html
• Daytime - In response to being contacted by family before Bob went missing, an investigator from OC Social Services showed up at Bob’s house to conduct the second investigation into suspected elder financial abuse. Daughter RB posted that it was then the investigator found out that their investigation might have been "a day late and a dollar short". (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Nighttime - Detective Corinne Loomis spoke to FH at length

Thu, Jul 30, 2009

• LA Time article publishes story – includes reference to what Detective Loomis said about checking surveillance tape at the Home Depot:

"We're going to look into bank activity, identify bank accounts and get phone records," the detective said.

Police will also determine whether any of his movements, as outlined by witnesses in the days before he disappeared, can be confirmed by surveillance tape.

For instance, she said, Harrod's son-in-law told police that he went to a Home Depot on Monday, and when he returned, Harrod was gone.

Surveillance tape at the Home Depot might corroborate that account, or show something different, such as that Harrod was at the business with the son- in-law, she said.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...-52086697.html

Fri, July 31, 2009
• Detective Loomis stated: "My personal sense was that if he did not return home by dark Wednesday night, we have a big problem," Loomis said. "We didn't ramp up a serious investigation in hopes he would come home yesterday. That was the break point."
• Sergeant Millsap stated they don’t suspect foul play, but they haven’t ruled anything out. "We're looking at it with an open mind," Millsap said. "We're chasing every lead, looking under every rock for him."

August 2009. Grandson AH stops making his mortgage payments to Bob. (ref AH deposition)

Sun, Aug 2, 2009
• Daughter RB posted that Bob was very excited about and looking forward to FH’s arrival. He arranged to have carpet shampooed, patio cleaned, housekeeper in, and a few repairs done, for her homecoming (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Fri, August 7, 2009
• Petition filed in Orange County Court by PB and RB for Appointment of Conservatorship of Estate Only of Robert Merle Harrod (Case No. 30-2009-00291267-PR-CE-LJC)
• Daughter RB posted on Aug 14 that they filed to obtain trust moneys for reimbursement of F's travel and shipping that Dad was going to pay, and to avail funds to be able to offer a reward. (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Mon, August 10, 2009
• Daughter RB posted that the cleaning lady, SIL, and all family members had been questioned, and that she was due to be questioned on Tuesday (which would be Aug 11) (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tues, August 11, 2009
• Daughter PB posted that “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms” (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Daughter PB posted ‘I called my dad that morning by telephone, he had obviously been getting quite a few phone calls that morning. Then I realized that my BIL was there and I DID hear him say he was going to the "hardware store". My dad responded to him in a favorable way. I told my dad that I would let him go and talk to him later. That was the last time that I spoke to him. Times vary as I could not tell you the exact time that I called Dad, I gave an approximate of sometime between 11 and 12 and found later it was probably after 11:30 a.m.’ (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tues, August 18, 2009
• Bob’s report entered into NAMUS with this commentary in Circumstances section: “He was at home and seemed in good spirits when I last spoke to him somewhere between 11 a.m. - 12pm. His son-in-law was there doing odd jobs as Dads new wife was returning from Missouri on Wed. 7/29/09. Heard son-in-law say he was going to the hardware store. When he returned the housekeeper was waiting outside and Dad was gone. He did NOT take his car, but did have his keys and wallet. No contact or word has been heard from since.”

Wed, August 26, 2009
• Detective Corinne Loomis mentions a search warrant to check phone records: "We're just now winding down the full-court press part of this investigation," said department spokeswoman Detective Corinne Loomis Tuesday. "We're going back and doing some follow-up stuff and documentation. We have a search warrant for phone records to see who he might have talked to that we don't know about."

August 28, 2009
• Petition filed in Orange County Court by PB and RB for Trust Proceedings - Harrod – Trust (Case No. 30-2009-00297798-PR-TR-LJC)

September 2, 2009
• Daughter JM posted on ROTW that she was giving away for free a “Beautiful Oak Display Case 11 ft. L x 3 ft W x 4 1/2 ft tall.” She posts “If you want it delivered please donate $2,000. to ROTW!”
http://www.rimoftheworld.net/discuss/194/55175

September 3, 2009
• Daughter JM posted that the last time they gave away stuff in bulk, her husband had to drive across to the far side of Big Bear with no thanks – hence the reason to offer as pickup only. She posted again that cabinet was worth $2,000 so if delivered she would like ROTW to receive $2,000 as a donation for delivery. She posted the display case was still up for grabs.

September 4, 2009
• Daughter JM bumped her post.

September 4, 2009
• A poster on ROTW posted that they would like the display case and to email them.

September 6, 2009
• Daughter JM posted on ROTW “The display case is gone!”

Wed, September 16, 2009
• Detective Corinne Loomis references result of checking phone records: Loomis said they are close to exhausting all their leads in the case, but continue to do follow-up work. "There is no movement on any bank account or credit cards," Loomis said, adding that Harrod did not have a cell phone and calls made to and from his home before he vanished don't point to anything suspicious.

Thu, October 8, 2009
• Per an article in the OC Register, police cleared the barber and her husband of any connection with the case (Note: Verified on Aug 15, 2010 by an anonymous source to WS mod that the barber and her husband are cleared of any involvement in Bob’s case. LE reviewed receipts and video surveillance which confirmed their story and whereabouts the day Bob went missing.)

Mon, October 19, 2009
• FH filed for conservatorship of Harrod Estate

Late November 2009
• IS thread for Bob Harrod deleted by Moderator. (IS Moderator posted on Feb 2, 2010 that the thread was "deleted at family's request, too much personal info & family fights on public forum.")

Late 2009?
• FH said to reporter included in Feb 2010 article that late last year police were giving polygraph tests to family members and those close to Bob Harrod
• Detective Loomis confirmed that police were using a lie-detector test, but would not disclose publicly the results or to whom the tests were being administered
• Per PE on WS, not all of the daughters took a lie detector test (hearsay/rumor)
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Mon, March 1, 2010
• FH filed objection to petition filed by PB and RB as co-successor trustees of Harrod Family Trust

March 16, 2010
• Partial skeletal remains found in Lucerne Valley. Identity can only be established through DNA.

Wed, May 5, 2010
• Daughters PB and RB named as Co-conservators of the Harrod Estate and Co-trustees of the Harrod Trust

June-August, 2010
• Daughters RB and PB start posting on IS forum again (see In Sessions Posts – 2010)

August 2010
• Facebook and Myspace pages setup for Bob and turned over to the daughters in Aug 2009 are activated after posters on WS discuss that pages were not active
 
  • #122
Cubby, just wanted to thank you for all that hard work. Need a plaster for that sore typing finger?


Thank you, but all I did was copy and paste it. My only typing was the highlights in red. The real thanks goes to the original poster who put it together, it was a lot of work and provided me with a good foundation for the additions. Angelo posted it on the timeline thread, but I don't know who originally compiled it.

Should we add an estimated time when AH stopped paying his mortgage?
 
  • #123
They dumped all of the money into their home in a down market-maybe they got the contractors and materials on the cheap.

Sabbatical could mean many things-anything from a company choosing to let you go and paying you a severance package that lasts until perhaps April, to simply choosing not to do your own home improvements.

Are there unions or guilds in CA that Contractors, plumbers and electricians belong to?
 
  • #124
Thank you, but all I did was copy and paste it. My only typing was the highlights in red. The real thanks goes to the original poster who put it together, it was a lot of work and provided me with a good foundation for the additions. Angelo posted it on the timeline thread, but I don't know who originally compiled it.

Should we add an estimated time when AH stopped paying his mortgage?

Sure-at a minimum it was his august payment 2009.
 
  • #125
Should we add the information regarding when daughter PB stopped paying her rent or mortgage to Bob?

And should we add when Bob's daughter told Mrs. Harrod she wasn't entitled to anything? IIRC that was within days of Mr. Harrod's disappearance and is, imo, another indication his daughters knew Bob was not coming back so soon after his disappearance.


Anyone have any idea's of what else we should add?
 
  • #126
Sure-at a minimum it was his august payment 2009.

Am just looking at that court deposition.
Attorney'...in August 2009 you stopped making....payments, correct?'
AH: 'Correct.'

So the last payment was in July, when Bob went missing. It would be interesting to know if that July payment was before or after Bob went missing. Sadly, that was yet another of AH's 'cannot recollect' answers.
 
  • #127
Should we add the information regarding when daughter PB stopped paying her rent or mortgage to Bob?

And should we add when Bob's daughter told Mrs. Harrod she wasn't entitled to anything? IIRC that was within days of Mr. Harrod's disappearance and is, imo, another indication his daughters knew Bob was not coming back so soon after his disappearance.


Anyone have any idea's of what else we should add?


Not add, but just swap about a little. You see those three dates you added in red?
July 15, JuM takes Mom's stuff from house
July 17, RB sends attorney letter
July 23, PB comes calling.

What does that look like but all the daughters desperately taking it in turns to extract as much as they could from Bob, before FH moves in permanently and Bob maybe changes the terms of his trust? Emotions riding higher and higher.

If you add the heated family meeting to the end of that list, that's the height of the desperation - all the daughters, plus JeM. Four against one. I think all four events belong together.

And the final act.....Bob disappears.
 
  • #128
I know what else is missing. AH's visit.

He said he made his payment in July and he always made it direct to Bob, so there's a visit there from AH too, that we're missing.
 
  • #129
Am just looking at that court deposition.
Attorney'...in August 2009 you stopped making....payments, correct?'
AH: 'Correct.'

So the last payment was in July, when Bob went missing. It would be interesting to know if that July payment was before or after Bob went missing. Sadly, that was yet another of AH's 'cannot recollect' answers.


Mortgage payments are due on the 1st, so I'm sure July's payment was paid closer to the 1st, almost a full month prior to Bob's disappearance. It's the decision to stop making payments so soon after Bob disappeared which is a huge red flag. How did they know so soon Bob was not coming home?

Within a day of Bob's disappearance, daughter JuM makes a statement on her community forum "we suspect foul play". Within days, her son AH, Bob's only grandson, stops making his mortage payments and never again makes a mortgage payment to Bob.
 
  • #130
I know what else is missing. AH's visit.

He said he made his payment in July and he always made it direct to Bob, so there's a visit there from AH too, that we're missing.


Did the depo say he made the payment in person or mailed them directly to Bob? I don't recall he made it in person, but I could have missed it.
 
  • #131
Not add, but just swap about a little. You see those three dates you added in red?
July 15, JuM takes Mom's stuff from house
July 17, RB sends attorney letter
July 23, PB comes calling.

What does that look like but all the daughters desperately taking it in turns to extract as much as they could from Bob, before FH moves in permanently and Bob maybe changes the terms of his trust? Emotions riding higher and higher.

If you add the heated family meeting to the end of that list, that's the height of the desperation - all the daughters, plus JeM. Four against one. I think all four events belong together.

And the final act.....Bob disappears.


Thank you! Looking at the days leading up to Bob's disappearance from the time his wife flew back to MO to pack her things and the day she returned is chilling.

That reminds me, I want to add the date neighbor and friend of Bob, PE/CA-Exile moved from the neighborhood. I've always found it quite interesting the handy man jobs SIL performed were delayed until after the neighbor moved. Imo, that was not a coincidence, the family knew PE looked out for Bob.
 
  • #132
Did the depo say he made the payment in person or mailed them directly to Bob? I don't recall he made it in person, but I could have missed it.

Attorney: 'Would you mail it directly to him or would it go to a financial institution?'
AH: 'Would go directly to him.'

So, I still don't know Cubby! Attorney asks if he mails it, but AH just says 'Would go'. Don't know if that means he mailed it or went to Bob's home direct.
 
  • #133
A few more additions..
My additions/updates in red.


Timeline

Jun, 2002
• Bob and his first wife GH move from Monrovia to Placentia

Mar, 2008
• Bob’s first wife of 59 years, GH, passed away after a prolonged illness

Apr 1, 2008
• GH – “Harrod - Safekeeping Will” filed in Orange County, CA Probate Court (Case No. 30-2008-00068771-PR-OP-LJC)

Early 2009?
• Bob decided he needed some time away from his daughters and he asked them to leave him alone for six months

Date?
• Orange County Social Services conducted an investigation of suspected elder financial abuse. Family was told that Bob did not want to pursue the issue (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tuesday April 21, 2009 JeM laid off (ref post by JuM on her community forum)

End of May, 2009
• FH’s daughter, who grew up listening to stories about her mother's first love (Bob), found Bob's number and dialed it so FH could speak to Bob

Tues, June 23, 2009
• FH came to visit Bob in Placentia for the first time, after having spoken by phone for several weeks prior

Sat, June 27, 2009
• Bob called daughter RB to tell her for the first time about Fontelle and that they wanted to get married and hoped the family would be there once they figured out the date, etc. (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Mon, June 29, 2009
• Bob and FH got married at the Fullerton courthouse without telling either family

Thurs, July 2, 2009
• Bob and FH told their families about the marriage (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Date?
• Per Bob’s daughter RB, the hairdresser called Bob and said she had no money and no place to live (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Fri, July 3, 2009
• Daughter RB met FH for the first time (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Per Bob’s daughter RB, Bob wrote a check to the hairdresser (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tues, July 7, 2009
• FH returned to her Missouri home to pack up her belongings before making the move to Placentia
• KTLA crew interviewed Bob about the reunion with FH
Video: http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/787b96...ambers-reports

Date?
• Bob's daughter JM contacted Orange County Social Services for the 2nd time regarding suspected elder financial abuse (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Weds, July 15, 2009
-JuM helping Bob remove Georgia's personal things from Bob's home.
(ref post by JuM on her community forum)

Friday, July 17, 2009
-Letter from daughter RB to Bob's attorney

Monday, July 20, 2009
-Friend and neighbor PE who kept on eye on Bob moves from CA to VA
(ref PE's blog)

Thurs, July 23, 2009
-PB visit with Bob. (ref PB statement trial transcript hairdresser)

Sat, July 25, 2009
• Bob was last seen by a neighbor or neighbors

Sun, July 26, 2009
• Afternoon – Bob’s 3 daughters went to his house in Placentia
• Police: They argued over finances / money
• FH: Bob said his daughters became upset when he told them he planned to include his new wife in the estate
• Daughter PB: “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms.” (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Daughter RB: She said her father lost his temper. She said he had failed to provide copies of their mother's will, which he was obligated to do because of the financial mechanisms set up by the estate. "It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."
• Evening - FH last spoke to Bob by phone while she was in MO
• ~8:00PM – Sunset in CA

Mon, July 27, 2009
• Weather: Low temp: 68.5 F, high temp: 91.4 F, avg: 78.2 F; precipitation: 0.0
• ~6:00AM – Sunrise in CA
• 9:30AM – JM, Bob’s son-in-law, arrived at Bob’s house
• AM/Time? – SIL went to CVS in Placentia in the AM, and he purchased soda and paper plates (rumor/hearsay)
-9:50'sh am time Bob went missing (ref daughter JuM post on her community forum, see 1:50pm July 28 info below)
• 10:00AM – Per officials, there was a phone call to Bob, which is the last time anyone other than SIL JM verified he was at the house. (Ref: This was a comment posted by the reporter/writer of article Adam Townsend, under the actual article) (Note: Was this the call with the housekeeper?)
• Morning - Bob talked to the housekeeper on the phone and told her to come
• 11:00AM-12:00 – Per daughter PB, she called and spoke to Bob during this time. She said she heard SIL (her BIL) say he was going to the hardware store and her father “responded in a favorable way.” She also posted that her number “came up as private.” (ref: NAMUS report published Aug 18, 2009 and August 11, 2009 post on IS forum)
-Noonish - House Keeper arrives to find no answer and no key in mail box. (ref: housekeeper Disappeared teaser/clip)
-12:15-12:30 House keeper states SIL JeM pulled into the driveway to find her waiting and no answer at Bob's (ref: Disappeared teaser/clip)
-Noon - One - time Bob went missing (ref daughter JuM statement KTLV video)
• ~2:30PM-2:40PM – SIL JM left Bob’s house and went to Home Depot (ref OC Register and LA Times articles)
• Time? – SIL JM arrived at Home Depot. (Note: Unknown which Home Depot JM went to. There is a Home Depot at 601 S Placentia Ave, Fullerton, CA 92831-5199. Distance is only 2.7 miles from Bob’s address in Placentia, about a 6-minute drive. There is another Home Depot located at 2455 E Imperial Hwy, Brea, CA 92821-6114. Distance from Bob’s address in Placentia is 2.8 miles, about a 7-minute drive.)
• Time? – The housekeeper arrived at Bob’s house. The door was locked and nobody answered (rumor/hearsay she arrived at ~3PM) (see above with housekeepers statement via Disappeared).
• 3:04PM – SIL JM paid for purchases at Home Depot (time stamp of purchase receipt). It has not been made public what the purchase was
• 3:30PM – SIL JM arrived back at Bob’s house from Home Depot, and the housekeeper was sitting on the porch, waiting to be let in. She told SIL JM the door was locked and nobody was answering, and that Bob might be taking a nap. SIL JM then went into the house to check, and Bob was not there. SIL JM told the housekeeper his father-in-law might have gone to visit a neighbor
• Time? – The housekeeper cleaned and left the house
• 6:00PM – SIL JM left the house and headed home to Running Springs
• Time? – SIL JM arrived home in Running Springs
• ~8:00PM – FH called Bob’s house but he didn’t answer. She called him every 20 minutes until daughter JM later called to say her father was missing
• Evening/Night – Bob’s daughter JM called the house, and there was no answer. She called her sisters, RB and PB
• Evening/Night – Daughter RB posted later that she called Placentia Police to do a wellness/welfare check at Bob’s residence (not confirmed; possible discrepancy). Officers found the house/car secure and no signs of foul play. (dispatched for well being check at 9:32 pm per police report.)
• Evening/Night – Bob’s daughter JM called FH in Missouri and told her Bob was missing

Date? Time?
• Daughter JM went to Bob’s house to “change the linens” (per daughter’s Aug 4th post on ROTW stating that before she went dth to get the house ready, linens changed for he and his wife; she started to call all the local hospitals, coroner’s office, etc.) http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=4)

Tues, July 28, 2009
• Time? - FH called the PPD from Missouri and filed a missing persons report (rumor/hearsay time was 12:22PM Pacific Daylight Time - CA and 2:22AM Central Daylight Time – MO) 12:22am Pacific Daylight Time per police report.
• Time? - Daughter JM gave an interview to a reporter in Bob’s house. She said her husband was with her dad at his home the day before, he went to the hardware store alone, and when he came back, her dad was gone. Asked what time, she replied “We’re thinking maybe 1, noon?” The reporter also quotes JM as saying her father is showing signs of dementia.
• 1:50PM – Daughter JM posts on ROTW that her father had been missing for approximately 28 hours (which would have been ~10:00AM on Mon) http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0 JuM suspects foul play (ref JuM post on her community forum)
• After Bob disappeared, someone -- police won't say who -- told officers he might have regretted the decision to marry. For three days police thought they were dealing with a case of cold feet

Wed, July 29, 2009
• Daytime - FH returned to Bob’s house in Placentia from MO with her daughter (as previously scheduled). Bob’s daughters RB and JM were at the house when she arrived. Daughter PB had been there but left to go to her nephew’s house because of the news frenzy (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
Video: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/st...8227798&page=1
Video: http://cbs2.com/local/newlywed.groom...2.1120666.html
• Daytime - In response to being contacted by family before Bob went missing, an investigator from OC Social Services showed up at Bob’s house to conduct the second investigation into suspected elder financial abuse. Daughter RB posted that it was then the investigator found out that their investigation might have been "a day late and a dollar short". (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Nighttime - Detective Corinne Loomis spoke to FH at length

Thu, Jul 30, 2009

• LA Time article publishes story – includes reference to what Detective Loomis said about checking surveillance tape at the Home Depot:

"We're going to look into bank activity, identify bank accounts and get phone records," the detective said.

Police will also determine whether any of his movements, as outlined by witnesses in the days before he disappeared, can be confirmed by surveillance tape.

For instance, she said, Harrod's son-in-law told police that he went to a Home Depot on Monday, and when he returned, Harrod was gone.

Surveillance tape at the Home Depot might corroborate that account, or show something different, such as that Harrod was at the business with the son- in-law, she said.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...-52086697.html

Fri, July 31, 2009
• Detective Loomis stated: "My personal sense was that if he did not return home by dark Wednesday night, we have a big problem," Loomis said. "We didn't ramp up a serious investigation in hopes he would come home yesterday. That was the break point."
• Sergeant Millsap stated they don’t suspect foul play, but they haven’t ruled anything out. "We're looking at it with an open mind," Millsap said. "We're chasing every lead, looking under every rock for him."

August 2009. Grandson AH stops making his mortgage payments to Bob. (ref AH deposition)

Sun, Aug 2, 2009
• Daughter RB posted that Bob was very excited about and looking forward to FH’s arrival. He arranged to have carpet shampooed, patio cleaned, housekeeper in, and a few repairs done, for her homecoming (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Fri, August 7, 2009
• Petition filed in Orange County Court by PB and RB for Appointment of Conservatorship of Estate Only of Robert Merle Harrod (Case No. 30-2009-00291267-PR-CE-LJC)
• Daughter RB posted on Aug 14 that they filed to obtain trust moneys for reimbursement of F's travel and shipping that Dad was going to pay, and to avail funds to be able to offer a reward. (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Mon, August 10, 2009
• Daughter RB posted that the cleaning lady, SIL, and all family members had been questioned, and that she was due to be questioned on Tuesday (which would be Aug 11) (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tues, August 11, 2009
• Daughter PB posted that “There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there were NO threats and we all left on good terms” (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)
• Daughter PB posted ‘I called my dad that morning by telephone, he had obviously been getting quite a few phone calls that morning. Then I realized that my BIL was there and I DID hear him say he was going to the "hardware store". My dad responded to him in a favorable way. I told my dad that I would let him go and talk to him later. That was the last time that I spoke to him. Times vary as I could not tell you the exact time that I called Dad, I gave an approximate of sometime between 11 and 12 and found later it was probably after 11:30 a.m.’ (ref hearsay from daughter on IS forum)

Tues, August 18, 2009
• Bob’s report entered into NAMUS with this commentary in Circumstances section: “He was at home and seemed in good spirits when I last spoke to him somewhere between 11 a.m. - 12pm. His son-in-law was there doing odd jobs as Dads new wife was returning from Missouri on Wed. 7/29/09. Heard son-in-law say he was going to the hardware store. When he returned the housekeeper was waiting outside and Dad was gone. He did NOT take his car, but did have his keys and wallet. No contact or word has been heard from since.”

Wed, August 26, 2009
• Detective Corinne Loomis mentions a search warrant to check phone records: "We're just now winding down the full-court press part of this investigation," said department spokeswoman Detective Corinne Loomis Tuesday. "We're going back and doing some follow-up stuff and documentation. We have a search warrant for phone records to see who he might have talked to that we don't know about."

August 28, 2009
• Petition filed in Orange County Court by PB and RB for Trust Proceedings - Harrod – Trust (Case No. 30-2009-00297798-PR-TR-LJC)

September 2, 2009
• Daughter JM posted on ROTW that she was giving away for free a “Beautiful Oak Display Case 11 ft. L x 3 ft W x 4 1/2 ft tall.” She posts “If you want it delivered please donate $2,000. to ROTW!”
http://www.rimoftheworld.net/discuss/194/55175

September 3, 2009
• Daughter JM posted that the last time they gave away stuff in bulk, her husband had to drive across to the far side of Big Bear with no thanks – hence the reason to offer as pickup only. She posted again that cabinet was worth $2,000 so if delivered she would like ROTW to receive $2,000 as a donation for delivery. She posted the display case was still up for grabs.

September 4, 2009
• Daughter JM bumped her post.

September 4, 2009
• A poster on ROTW posted that they would like the display case and to email them.

September 6, 2009
• Daughter JM posted on ROTW “The display case is gone!”

Wed, September 16, 2009
• Detective Corinne Loomis references result of checking phone records: Loomis said they are close to exhausting all their leads in the case, but continue to do follow-up work. "There is no movement on any bank account or credit cards," Loomis said, adding that Harrod did not have a cell phone and calls made to and from his home before he vanished don't point to anything suspicious.

Thu, October 8, 2009
• Per an article in the OC Register, police cleared the barber and her husband of any connection with the case (Note: Verified on Aug 15, 2010 by an anonymous source to WS mod that the barber and her husband are cleared of any involvement in Bob’s case. LE reviewed receipts and video surveillance which confirmed their story and whereabouts the day Bob went missing.)

Mon, October 19, 2009
• FH filed for conservatorship of Harrod Estate

Late November 2009
• IS thread for Bob Harrod deleted by Moderator. (IS Moderator posted on Feb 2, 2010 that the thread was "deleted at family's request, too much personal info & family fights on public forum.")

Late 2009?
• FH said to reporter included in Feb 2010 article that late last year police were giving polygraph tests to family members and those close to Bob Harrod
• Detective Loomis confirmed that police were using a lie-detector test, but would not disclose publicly the results or to whom the tests were being administered
• Per PE on WS, not all of the daughters took a lie detector test (hearsay/rumor)
Mon, March 1, 2010
CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #1 - Page 22 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

• FH filed objection to petition filed by PB and RB as co-successor trustees of Harrod Family Trust

March 16, 2010
• Partial skeletal remains found in Lucerne Valley. Identity can only be established through DNA.

Wed, May 5, 2010
• Daughters PB and RB named as Co-conservators of the Harrod Estate and Co-trustees of the Harrod Trust

June-August, 2010
• Daughters RB and PB start posting on IS forum again (see In Sessions Posts – 2010)

August 2010
• Facebook and Myspace pages setup for Bob and turned over to the daughters in Aug 2009 are activated after posters on WS discuss that pages were not active
 
  • #134
Thank you! Looking at the days leading up to Bob's disappearance from the time his wife flew back to MO to pack her things and the day she returned is chilling.

That reminds me, I want to add the date neighbor and friend of Bob, PE/CA-Exile moved from the neighborhood. I've always found it quite interesting the handy man jobs SIL performed were delayed until after the neighbor moved. Imo, that was not a coincidence, the family knew PE looked out for Bob.


PE says on his blog he last spoke to Bob July 19, 2009, the day before he left CA. So I make that the 20th when PE left.

See, I can do math.
 
  • #135
• 1:50PM – Daughter JM posts on ROTW that her father had been missing for approximately 28 hours (which would have been ~10:00AM on Mon) http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0 JuM suspects foul play (ref JuM post on her community forum)
• After Bob disappeared, someone -- police won't say who -- told officers he might have regretted the decision to marry. For three days police thought they were dealing with a case of cold feet


JuM suspects foul play while police thought they were dealing with cold feet. Interesting, very very interesting.
 
  • #136
Well, RB posted that she was due to be questioned on August 11, so I guess it wasn't her. I do find it hard to believe LE would have waited so long to question people close to Bob. Could it have been a second round of questioning, rather than the first?
We could probably exclude AH too, he told LE Bob was upset because of family fighting.
 
  • #137
zweibel, exclude RB and AH from what? I'm not sure what you mean.

tia
 
  • #138
Sorry, I meant you could possibly exclude them from being the ones coming up with the cold feet theory for LE.
 
  • #139
Not add, but just swap about a little. You see those three dates you added in red?
July 15, JuM takes Mom's stuff from house
July 17, RB sends attorney letter
July 23, PB comes calling.

What does that look like but all the daughters desperately taking it in turns to extract as much as they could from Bob, before FH moves in permanently and Bob maybe changes the terms of his trust? Emotions riding higher and higher.

If you add the heated family meeting to the end of that list, that's the height of the desperation - all the daughters, plus JeM. Four against one. I think all four events belong together.

And the final act.....Bob disappears.

I would add in the reports of elder financial abuse counting as pressure tactics on Bob. I think there was a move afoot before he reunited with Fontelle to try to make it look like Bob was incompetent to handle his own finances.

And then Fontelle gets in touch with Bob and all of a sudden, things have to change to keep the money flowing.
 
  • #140
Going by the below:
· AH initially told police Bob probably left to get away from the family problems
· JuM said they suspected foul play
· The 3 daughters told police initially they suspected the hairdresser
· Loomis said police thought Bob left because he had gotten into an argument with another family member
· Someone told officers Bob might have regretted the decision to marry – cold feet
· Loomis said police explored the possibility of Bob getting cold feet after the wedding
· We don’t know what Bob’s SIL JeM told police
· We don’t know what the hairdresser told police

Mon, July 27 (Missing Persons Report)

Andrew continued and said that there had been fighting in the family recently and Robert was very frustrated over the situation. Andrew said his grandfather probably left to get away from the family problems

Tues, July 28 (ROTW)

JuM: We suspect foul play

The Week Bob Went Missing (snippets from OC Register and LA Times articles)

  • Sgt. Scott Millsap, an investigations detective, said there have been underlying issues with the family, but declined to give any more information.
  • Loomis said police initially thought Harrod left because he had gotten into an argument with another family member; they had hoped he would return when his wife came back to Placentia.
  • "My personal sense was that if he did not return home by dark Wednesday night, we have a big problem," Loomis said. "We didn't ramp up a serious investigation in hopes he would come home yesterday. That was the break point."

    [*]
    The three daughters told police initially they suspected Bob Harrod's barber – a woman who attended their mother's funeral in 2008 – of some connection with the disappearance.
  • After Bob disappeared, someone -- police won't say who -- told officers he might have regretted the decision to marry. For three days police thought they were dealing with a case of cold feet.
  • Police also explored the possibility of Harrod's getting cold feet after the wedding, Loomis said.
 
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