CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

[zwiebel]

I think you missunderstood me. I never said that the housekeeper "faked" anything. Rather that JeM faked being surprised at seeing her.

I think that the family is involved in Bob's disappearance. I'm just tossing other ideas out to see if they have any merit.

Mel

Mels3kidz, keep those ideas coming. We need them to work out the final route from this maze of info amassed here over the years.

 

[Mels3kidz]

Mels3kidz, keep those ideas coming. We need them to work out the final route from this maze of info amassed here over the years.

I need to go back to day one and reread this case. I get bogged down over the Trust/Estate issues ect.


Mel

 

[believe09]

I know we tried this a while ago. And maybe it is easier to move this to the SAR thread, but what if we take a look at a LKA (last known alive) from the evening of 7/26/09, and then 10am 7/27/09 etc...

I mean access to certain areas for the perp(s) change if it is a Sunday night vs a Monday in the day, correct?

 

[believe09]

I need to go back to day one and reread this case. I get bogged down over the Trust/Estate issues ect.


Mel

I do this all of the time. And I still dont have the grasp of the minutiae like cloudajo, Angelo and Cubby. They have been involved in this vigil since day one.

I miss Dreamweaver whenever we have an absence as well....

 

[zwiebel]

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

I am linking my own post here, because I wonder if anyone else sees this as I do? Be honest-my feelings wont be hurt.

The trial and the sworn testimony went on after AH was released from having to testify. It seemed almost like the finger was pointed when he left the room....at least it did to me.

If they were my aunts and that testimony was not implacably, irrefutably true, I would never, ever speak to them again.

And I would never, ever give up trying to prove that they had lied.

I'm a worrier, I know. But anyone who has had this said about them and hasn't taken measures to protect themselves if it isn't true......they're running a very high risk, imo. It's not one I'd ever live with.

 

[zwiebel]

I need to go back to day one and reread this case. I get bogged down over the Trust/Estate issues ect.


Mel

You and everyone else on this thread. I spent days on the most abominable websites. And it's still just a fog to me.

ETA: the intricate legalese. I think underneath it all, there's a fundamental that's fairly simple, really.

 

[believe09]

(referencing zwiebel's post)


I think it is par for the course with this family, and I can imagine that PPD found it a less than charming characteristic.

Take for example, RB's statement on Disappeared that she doesnt suspect anyone in her family.

There are many ways to take this.

1.) She is so naive and trusting that it would never occur to her.

Uh huh.

2.) She would never suspect anyone in her family because she is that loyal.

See above regarding AH from the trial minutes when he left the room.

3.) She would never suspect anyone in her family because she is that far removed from her family's center.

She has never struck me as being stupid, not by any stretch. But she has struck me as being entrenched in an indefensible position.

On the surface, it seems as if PB has done a 180 regarding her position about BL from the taping of the show to the civil trial regarding BL.

I realize that there is a big difference between sworn testimony in a court of law that could get you popped for perjury vs taking a certain position when interviewed for a television show.

Both are admissible in future proceedings, like a Grand Jury investigation.

 

[zwiebel]

RB being entrenched in an indefensible position sums it up in a nutshell. I wish I'd thought of that phrase.

It's not the first time either, imo. She seems to have acted as an apologist for other family member's inexcusable behaviour before. I think the time always comes though, when you have to allow others to take responsibility for their own actions.

RB is the only one of Bob's children who has never stopped speaking out. I stlll haven't given up hope she'll start speaking out about something that is relevant to finding Bob.

 

[Cubby]

I do this all of the time. And I still dont have the grasp of the minutiae like cloudajo, Angelo and Cubby. They have been involved in this vigil since day one.

I miss Dreamweaver whenever we have an absence as well....

Thank you, but I wasn't here since day 1. It was May or June of 2010, I bumped thread #1 as the 1st anniversary of Bob's disappearance approached. The rest is history as far as this case taking off again with the most amazing WS'rs new and old. I appreciate every single person who has taken the time to read and post in this thread.

Bob will get justice!

 

[Cubby]

You and everyone else on this thread. I spent days on the most abominable websites. And it's still just a fog to me.

ETA: the intricate legalese. I think underneath it all, there's a fundamental that's fairly simple, really.

It's been a deliberate fog. Just got to push the gas aside and dig for the facts that can be proven.

It's all very simple, as was suggested by LE on the Disappeared show, the answers lie in the fight over the estate. We know that fight began long before Fontelle arrived in the picture and dates back to Georgia Harrod's passing, if not earlier than Georgia's passing.....

 

[Cubby]

(referencing zwiebel's post)


I think it is par for the course with this family, and I can imagine that PPD found it a less than charming characteristic.

Take for example, RB's statement on Disappeared that she doesnt suspect anyone in her family.

There are many ways to take this.

1.) She is so naive and trusting that it would never occur to her.

Uh huh.

2.) She would never suspect anyone in her family because she is that loyal.

See above regarding AH from the trial minutes when he left the room.

3.) She would never suspect anyone in her family because she is that far removed from her family's center.

She has never struck me as being stupid, not by any stretch. But she has struck me as being entrenched in an indefensible position.

On the surface, it seems as if PB has done a 180 regarding her position about BL from the taping of the show to the civil trial regarding BL.

I realize that there is a big difference between sworn testimony in a court of law that could get you popped for perjury vs taking a certain position when interviewed for a television show.

Both are admissible in future proceedings, like a Grand Jury investigation.

:goodpost:


Very well said. You put this in words, I couldn't come up with. You are spot on!

 

[noZme]

To me it seems clear that there was something to clean up only because JeM came back from wherever he had been.

Why not keep on truckin?

I see your point, but to expand on my "Bob walked out of the house" theory:

The cover story for JeM's truck having been at Carnation is that the good-hearted son-in-law was repairing something. I think the truck was actually driving around most of the day, but had to come back after the Home Depot purchase because it was necessary to actually do some work & be able to point out the replaced parts or whatever when the time came to answer inevitable questions. If the housekeeper hadn't thrown the monkey wrench into the plan, the last time any of us saw or talked to Pops was yesterday & all was well. Fontelle would have been concerned to have missed Bob's nightly call, but probably wouldn't have asked cops to go for a welfare check that night... They, & I flip-flop who is included in "they", expected to have a lot more time & distance between having been at Bob's home & him being discovered to be missing.

There are many combinations of what could have happened that morning. Unfortunately, all end with Mr Bob having never been seen again & the buzzards circling over the bank account.

I've been out all day, I need to catch up today's posts. I just need to say one thing & then maybe I'll be able to put it out of my mind. I was so repulsed by the mouth kiss for the camera when Fontelle arrived back at the house. The poor lady stepped out of the cab into a media circus & the ___tches are all over her.... GRRR!

 

[zwiebel]

That stepping out of the car moment really affected me too. There is not a trace of pleasure in being in the spotlight, but there's not a trace of fear, either. Unlike some others, Mrs Harrod didn't head for the hills to get away from it all.

I don't think she ever considered it; she just seemed to be steeling herself for having to go through all the hullabaloo in order to get her husband back. If only sheer, gritted-teeth determination could have brought Bob back, Mrs Harrod would have had him home by now.

 

[cloudajo]

I see your point, but to expand on my "Bob walked out of the house" theory:

The cover story for JeM's truck having been at Carnation is that the good-hearted son-in-law was repairing something. I think the truck was actually driving around most of the day, but had to come back after the Home Depot purchase because it was necessary to actually do some work & be able to point out the replaced parts or whatever when the time came to answer inevitable questions. If the housekeeper hadn't thrown the monkey wrench into the plan, the last time any of us saw or talked to Pops was yesterday & all was well. Fontelle would have been concerned to have missed Bob's nightly call, but probably wouldn't have asked cops to go for a welfare check that night... They, & I flip-flop who is included in "they", expected to have a lot more time & distance between having been at Bob's home & him being discovered to be missing.

There are many combinations of what could have happened that morning. Unfortunately, all end with Mr Bob having never been seen again & the buzzards circling over the bank account.

I've been out all day, I need to catch up today's posts. I just need to say one thing & then maybe I'll be able to put it out of my mind. I was so repulsed by the mouth kiss for the camera when Fontelle arrived back at the house. The poor lady stepped out of the cab into a media circus & the ___tches are all over her.... GRRR!

It should be considered as you mention, but what I keep going back to is that Bob told the housekeeper he would be there and JeM didn’t know the housekeeper was coming. So either Bob didn’t tell JeM that the housekeeper was coming in the hours JeM was there, or Bob didn’t get a chance to tell him. I don’t think Bob got a chance to tell him.

This leads me to think something happened to Bob in his house – he didn’t get a chance to make his bed, tell JeM the housekeeper was coming, call the housekeeper, leave her a note, or leave the key in the mailbox.


The housekeeper said:

• Bob was always home when she went there, or he would always tell her if he would not be home
• It was a very rare occasion Bob was not home
• If Bob would not be home, he put a key in the mailbox
• Jeff was asking her if she was supposed to be there that day
• Bob’s bed was unmade, and never in 10 years had that happened before

 

[zwiebel]

The unmade bed seals it for me. It makes me think a likely scenario was that Bob was not a particularly early riser, or he got delayed that morning; maybe by phone calls first, then JeM's arrival. Before he knew it, it was 10 am and then comes the phone call he took that LE is sure was genuine.

Before he had a chance to do anything else, he was gone. How that fits in with PB's call, I don't know.

One other thought that has crossed my mind - maybe Bob did make his bed that morning, but somebody else pulled a sheet or covering off in a hurry and unmade it, so to speak. It's maybe not probable, but is possible?

 

[zwiebel]

I haven't seen this article before. Where did they get the info about JeM returning home at 7pm, etc?

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-545636

 

[Cubby]

I haven't seen this article before. Where did they get the info about JeM returning home at 7pm, etc?

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-545636

ireport isn't considered MSM since anyone can sign up and write a story. I read the story and it reads sometime after 7pm. I don't recall the source of the info, or if it is accurate. Maybe someone else's recalls?

 

[zwiebel]

I can't recall any mention anywhere of the time JeM arrived back at his own home. I can't even find any article that clearly states he went home after leaving Bob's.

That ireport also says it is a Nancy Grace assignment. I don't really understand what that is, actually.

 

[Cubby]

Nancy Grace: America's Missing was a special series on missing persons back in January 2011. I forget if it was 20 in 20 days or 30 in 30 days, but it was something like that.... A one time thing and everyone was trying to pitch their missing persons cases for her to select for that series.

hth

 

[zwiebel]

Ah. Thank you.

Just in case that wasn't an obscure enough link, here's another one. An outspoken Alabama politician who wrote a little blog about Bob back in 09. Scroll down to third post.

I was thinking of asking her to post an update - if word can get out in Australia, I don't see why it shouldn't get out in Alabama too.

http://debmurphreealabamapolitics.blogspot.de/2009_07_26_archive.html