CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[Oriah]

Oriah, you and I were posting at the exact same time! I wonder about the possibility that Bob has an advanced directive as well.

If GH or Mr. Harrod had/have one, I wonder what it said.

 

[Oriah]

Oh gosh, my mind has just run off in a wild direction here, Oriah. Am I here on my own, or am I following you?

You're likely following me, zwie. Or else I'M on my own, lol.

 

[Cubby]

I wonder if prison staff speak english?

 

[zwiebel]

There are absolutely loads of people here who don't speak English. They seem to be very good carers though. Not sentimental or bossy - just very practical and kind, with a lot of respect for people's choices, even when they have health/mental health issues.

If I had a living will now, I think I'd rip it up.

 

[believe09]

There are absolutely loads of people here who don't speak English. They seem to be very good carers though. Not sentimental or bossy - just very practical and kind, with a lot of respect for people's choices, even when they have health/mental health issues.

If I had a living will now, I think I'd rip it up.

Thank you, zwie. I thought perhaps the lens I was using to read that post was too narrow. Maybe not.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Urgent help needed here, fellow sleuthers, because this is part of a grand plan that's grinding to a halt; In this pic of the beard competition, which one is Bob? Number seven, back row, from the right? Or not?

http://www.kchistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Assorted&CISOPTR=765

I think he's more retiring - I'll go for back from right #3 - besides I like the jaunty angle of the hat. Bob would've had a good sense of humor, I reckon.

 

[Mountain Misst]

I am a touch hyperactive.

Where I was going with that last thought re: GH and a possible advance directive/living will... If she had one in place (which we don't know) then perhaps her daughters were aware of that. Her daughters were present at the time of her passing.
Pure speculation now- but the safe(s) in the residence may have contained legal documents to support a living will. Or a safety deposit box at a bank may have contained legal documents to support a living will as well. Or both. If this is the case, can we hope that any directive as such would also be on file with the Harrod's attorney?

Might Mr. Harrod also have one? It's a very normal practice for elderly or ill persons- heck, these days it's normal for the young and well to think about life support.

Is it possible that someone wanted documents more than cash?

My local doctor/GP has my 'medical directive' on file. She'd be contacted by any medical team. It's in my phone. She insisted on having the directive to protect herself for if I were in a life/death situation, but then that's in Aus.
Having it locked up in a safe at home wouldn't be much use in my case - too slow when life/death decisions need to be made - eg 'do not resusitate' clause.

 

[zwiebel]

Maybe we should take a moment to consider if all of the noise regarding "Georgia's Will" may have included a discussion regarding advanced directives and who followed through on it if she had one?

Along the lines of this topic: (JuM)


LINK HERE

I find this story a little disconcerting, to be frank. It would be totally in place in a 19th century novel, but this was California in 2008, wasn't it?

Mr Harrod seems to have been written completely out of the picture, for example. Can it be correct that he was not with his wife of over 50 years when she died, and it was just her daughters with her, telling her it was okay to go? JuM putting herself centre stage makes it sound like even the other daughters and nurse weren't there, but I doubt that. I mean, a doctor was called to declare Mrs Harrod dead, I hope, before all JuM's preparations began?

A lot of people make decisions about life-saving treatment, before they need it. About the quality of life they are prepared to accept in future, and when they would opt to die, instead. In my experience, a lot of them change their minds when they are actually faced with that choice.

Also, I couldn't avoid noticing that poison barb about Bob. As he is not here to defend himself (and why is that, by the way?), I'll hazard an answer, on his behalf. *With his technical background, I'd hardly think Mr Harrod would confuse the components of dentures - even partials -with gold. He wanted to keep his wife's teeth, so what? It may creep JuM out, but it doesn't for me. Letting go of things when you have just lost the one you loved can be hard - the second Mrs Harrod could probably tell people how that feels, as she had to do it.

How's the bag of gold krugerrands doing, I wonder?

 

[zwiebel]

I think he's more retiring - I'll go for back from right #3 - besides I like the jaunty angle of the hat. Bob would've had a good sense of humor, I reckon.

That's the Cubby choice too. Bob did have a cheeky smile. I'm tempted to ask carlk for a final opinion because he'd know if anyone would, but he's so busy trying to id the unidentified. And find the missing. Wonderful, wonderful work there. People devote hours online, to bringing people home.

 

[zwiebel]

By the way, have San Bernardino Sheriff's dept changed their website in the past month, does anyone know? I am following a link there to a set of dentals that was apparently on the site in January, and I can't find them now.

 

[zwiebel]

Mountain Misst, can you help me out here? Apparently, there was something about Bob's show on the Aussie Criminals (and victims, obviously) site last month, apparently. I couldn't find it though. Any chance you saw it?

 

[zwiebel]

"Decedent was found dead in the storage unit where he resided"
http://ws.ocsd.org/EServices/PressReleases_Default.aspx

What's that all about, he was actually living in it? I thought they were all controlled and monitored, etc. Surely people aren't allowed to actually live in them?

I'm thinking if a person could live unnoticed in a storage unit, then almost anything could go on there........

 

[zwiebel]

Maybe we should take a moment to consider if all of the noise regarding "Georgia's Will" may have included a discussion regarding advanced directives and who followed through on it if she had one?

Along the lines of this topic: (JuM)


LINK HERE

Your post sent me off looking at this subject believe09. First I found this poignant new article (I like the sound of Bill Johnson):
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/county-498723-orange-council.html

then I found this:
http://www.coaoc.org/

then I found inspiration:
http://bobharrodmissing.com/news.html

Thank you!

 

[Cubby]

An amazing set of articles zwie', thank you! I'm not a senior (yet), but your inspiration put a huge smile on my face. Thank you for being so kind and working so hard on Bob's behalf. :blowkiss:

 

[zwiebel]

I just think bringing kindness to Bob's case is one of the things we can do, and one of the things that had been missing in his case. It certainly attracted me to his case in support. It was as though he didn't just need finding, he needed protecting too.

Poor Bob. He'd found his answer to loneliness in his evening years. And look what happened.

 

[Mountain Misst]

Mountain Misst, can you help me out here? Apparently, there was something about Bob's show on the Aussie Criminals (and victims, obviously) site last month, apparently. I couldn't find it though. Any chance you saw it?

I get the feed from two of the AussieCrim threads and didn't come up there or I would have picked it up. I'll have a poke around Zwie.

 

[zwiebel]

Thank you Mountain Misst.

 

[Oriah]

"Decedent was found dead in the storage unit where he resided"
http://ws.ocsd.org/EServices/PressReleases_Default.aspx

What's that all about, he was actually living in it? I thought they were all controlled and monitored, etc. Surely people aren't allowed to actually live in them?

I'm thinking if a person could live unnoticed in a storage unit, then almost anything could go on there........

One of the reasons I was very concerned about identifying storage facilities.
Not that I think Mr. Harrod was living in one. But it's a sad state of affairs when storage units become common as dump sites.

 

[zwiebel]

I find it pretty unbelievable that anyone would have the arrogance to put a body into storage, where there are cameras or security systems to log them going in and out. But just a quick search has shown me it happens. Bodies have lain in units undiscovered for years!

In San Bernardino they have a poor Jane Doe who was killed with a shotgun, then pushed into an old mine and covered with stones. I thought of an overgrown, inaccessible place, but when I finally found the thread here, someone had taken photos of the area. It's just shrub; everything is visible for miles around.

It really gives me the shudders, thinking of the mindset of someone willing to do that, with such a risk of being seen. It makes me think they didn't care if there were witnesses, because they could always kill them too.

 

[Cubby]

Every morning I think to myself, it's a beautiful day for arrests in Bob's case. Hoping today is the day!