CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[zwiebel]

Agreed it is sad if you look backwards. But I'm determined to be positive; they know about it now. I also mailed that great journalist, Bill Johnson, to let him know he was being thanked on Bob's site, and.............I don't know for certain yet, but I think Missouri may be stirring too.

We'll see. They'll have to show me, first.

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Hi all,

New to this thread so no way across all the minutiae. A couple of observations.
Just watched the video of dau Ju and a news report showing the girls greeting Fontelle when she arrived at the house. On a much earlier thread there were quotes from the girls soon after Bob disappeared, accusing him of being tight with money etc.
IF he was supposed to have multi millions in assets, he certainly lived in a very ordinary house and drove a fairly basic car (Toyota Camry).

So many discrepancies about Fontelle and Bob's supposed romance and engagement, her age - I think one of Bob's daughters said she was born 12 January 1936 yet they supposedly got engaged on her 15th birthday in January 1950. She met him on a blind date in 1949, so she was either 13 or 14 years old and he was 22? Seems unlikely that parents would allow it even now, let alone in 1949.

Then the thing about him going off to the Korean war. I thought his elderly sister said he was at Camp Pendleton. AFAIK he didn't leave the country.)**
(from his sister, Winnie M -

Robert was called to active duty from the USMC Reserves in August 1950 and was assigned to Camp Pendleton in Oceanside, CA. He remained there until February 1952 when he was honorably discharged. During that time he would visit Myers in Pasadena on weekends. It was on one of those visits he met Georgia May Magaris. “Well he fell head over heels and after that he came up to visit almost every weekend and the next thing I knew he didn’t really come to see me anymore, he came to see Georgia May”, says Myers.

Bottom line, Fontelle might be the nicest lady on earth, but I reckon her story of the 'romance' is flaky. :twocents:

Would be interested to see those docs that Cubby mentions and run a weather eye over them.

Cheers.
LB

Korean War - 25 June 1950-26 July 1953.
The Korean War began on 25 June 1950, when North Korean forces launched an invasion of South Korea. Personnel from the Australian Army, RAAF, and RAN fought as part of the United Nations (UN) multinational force, defending South Korea from the Communist force of North Korea.
On 25 June a North Korean army finally crossed into the southern zone and advanced towards the capital, Seoul. The city fell in less than a week, and North Korean forces continued their southward drive towards the strategically important port of Pusan.
Within two days, the US had offered air and sea support to South Korea, and the United Nations Security Council asked all its members to assist in repelling the North Korean attack. Twenty-one nations responded by providing troops, ships, aircraft and medical teams. Australia's contribution included 77 Squadron of the RAAF and the 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (3 RAR), both of which were stationed in Japan at the time as part of the British Commonwealth Occupation Force.
The end of the war came with the signing of an armistice on 27 July 1953, three years and one month after the war began. The ending was so sudden that some soldiers had to be convinced it really was over. After the war ended, the presence of Australians in Korea continued with a peacekeeping force until 1957.
http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/korea.asp
Remembering Robert Harrod - interview with WM, his sister. cheri griffith.com

 

[zwiebel]

Hi LegallyBrunette, welcome to Bob's thread!

To be fair, it wasn't just Fontelle's story, it was Bob's too. While he was able to tell it, that is. In interviews where the pair spoke, Before Bob disappeared, he agrees they were engaged and lost touch when he was called up. I'm kind of inclined to take their word for it, because I don't really see why I shouldn't. There's also a photograph of Bob and Fontelle together at this time.

As for the Korean service; when Bob was called up for training, I imagine he and Fontelle fully expected he would go to war. As Fontelle never saw Bob again until 2009, she wouldn't have had any way of knowing if he went to war or not.

When they reunited, I can think of good reasons why Bob would not have told Fontelle he never left the country and could easily have kept in touch. Number one reason would be to save hurting her, as he already had all those years before.

I'll try and find a link to one of the interviews they did together.

 

[zwiebel]

Here's one link to a Bob and Fontelle interview:

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/fontelle-bob-years-2485710-couple-love

 

[zwiebel]

And here's a link to the article with a pic of Bob and Fontelle.

http://seattletimes.com/html/living/2010985815_disappeared08.html

 

[LegallyBrunette]

Here's one link to a Bob and Fontelle interview:

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles/fontelle-bob-years-2485710-couple-love

PLACENTIA – At just 17 years old, F...... H..... fell in love with Bob H..... Now, nearly 60 years later, the couple has finally tied the knot.

"My sister's friend, Thelma, set us up on a blind date. I went downstairs and saw a nice-looking, tall, dark-haired boy, and I fell in love at first sight," the Missouri native described, smiling across the couch at her new husband, his hair now thinned and gray.

"She had this long, long hair," recalled Bob, now 82. "I thought she was fantastic, just beautiful."

After spending two inseparable years together square-dancing, eating donuts, drinking coffee and "laughing and talking about all kinds of things," the couple got engaged in 1950

Thank you for the welcome and the link

Once again, I question the maths. In this interview, F is 17 when she meets Bob, then spends 'two inseparable years together', making her 19 in 1950.
Elsewhere on this thread and in MSM, Bob gave her the ring on her 15th birthday, January 1950. There is also a DOB quoted as 12 January 1936, making her 14 when engaged and 12 when they met.
I don't think so.

There is a photo allegedly of F and B together, fishing. She has short bobbed hair. Another news report when she arrived back in CA shows two old photos (maybe from High School year books) of each of them, again she has short bobbed hair.
Bob remembers a girl with long flowing hair. He's reported to have said he wanted to marry this girl but she was a different nationality and his family wouldn't have approved. As F's maiden name is very Irish I doubt it referred to her. However, another 'girlfriend' was named with a Spanish name. IMO B didn't remember F, he was fed information and believed he remembered, or more likely confused her with the one that got away.
If they were together for 2 years, doing all these fun things, there would be more than one photo of them.
I have doubts about the 'fishing' photo too.

As to whether or not F knew that B didn't serve overseas in Korea - in the interview from the above link -

F....., 75, explained .... "I knew he got married after he got back, so I never tried to contact him. I was afraid it would cause trouble.

She knew he got married (1951) but didn't know he was in San Diego, not Seoul? They allegedly got engaged on her birthday in Jan 1950, war didn't start until June 1950, Bob was in reserves and was called up to go to CA in August 1950. 8 months later. But they got engaged and then he went away to war??

None of the above implies anything about any person's involvement with B's disappearance but I believe it muddies the waters. :twocents:

 

[zwiebel]

I'm not going to dispute the maths - I have to ask Mr Z how old I am each birthday. When he reminds me it's my birthday, that is.

I think both Bob and Fontelle might have had good reason to be a little obscure and opaque when it came to her age when they first began their relationship. They were giving media interviews in 2009, when attitudes towards a 15-year old getting engaged were very different from what they were in the 50s. They would both have been aware it could have caused an adverse reaction ( and it has been used as a stick to beat him with, in some quarters), so they fudged. But they did it together. It wasn't a case of Mrs Harrod making up a story after Bob had disappeared and wasn't able to refute it.

I don't know when Missouri laws changed as I can't find the data yet, but this fantastic MO lady here was on her second marriage in 1921. At age 15.
http://shs.umsystem.edu/historicmissourians/name/b/baker/index.html
And I know Jerry Lee Lewis caused an absolute scandal in England in the 50s by bringing his 13-year-old cousin bride with him on tour, although he wasn't from MO.

As for Fontelle knowing Bob had not served in Korea - how would she, unless his family told her? As they seemed very fond of Georgia, I can imagine it would have been in their interests to allow Fontelle to think that. But I can imagine it would have been in their interests too, to let Fontelle know when all hope was lost as Bob was married. So she would give up on him. Which she did, with grace. Notice she said in that article, when he got back? That sounds like she was still under the impression he had served abroad, if you ask me.

The hair thing I find laughable, to be honest. Maybe it's having a Mr Z as a DH. If, after fifty-nine years, Bob had forgotten the length of Fontelle's hair......?? Really, I don't think Mr Z would be able to describe my hair to someone, five minutes after he'd seen me.

If the concern is there was some sort of manipulation going on, that Bob was somehow impaired, had dementia, was told what to say, I would say, look at his finances, how sharp he was; look at his letter in this article: http://seattletimes.com/html/living/2010985815_disappeared08.html

This wasn't a man impaired with dementia. He wrote better than his daughters. This was a man completely in control of his life, and his future. Until someone took it all away.

 

[Cubby]

I find Bob's daughters efforts to rectify/focus on a timeline 60 plus years old ludicrious when they can't rectify the timeline of the day Bob disappeared.

Their discussing a timeline which occured in 1949/1950 is nothing more than a futile effort to deflect off their own inability to clarify the timeline of what occured on July 27, 2009.

Memories fade within 60 plus years, these woman, a son in law and grandson have, uh, no memory of what occured the day Bob disappeared within days, not decades, of his disappearance.

The ONLY timeline relevant here is the one for the hours of July 27,2009. That is what will solve Bob's case and bring him justice. Not rehashing something which occured more than a half century prior to his disappearance.

Rehashing a timeline which is more than a half century old - rather than the one for the day their dad, grandfather and father in law disappeared, no doubt raises huge red flags with LE and the prosecutors office.

It's just a matter of time..... :jail:

 

[suzyq211]

I find Bob's daughters efforts to rectify/focus on a timeline 60 plus years old ludicrious when they can't rectify the timeline of the day Bob disappeared.

Their discussing a timeline which occured in 1949/1950 is nothing more than a futile effort to deflect off their own inability to clarify the timeline of what occured on July 27, 2009.

Memories fade within 60 plus years, these woman, a son in law and grandson have, uh, no memory of what occured the day Bob disappeared within days, not decades, of his disappearance.

The ONLY timeline relevant here is the one for the hours of July 27,2009. That is what will solve Bob's case and bring him justice. Not rehashing something which occured more than a half century prior to his disappearance.

Rehashing a timeline which is more than a half century old - rather than the one for the day their dad, grandfather and father in law disappeared, no doubt raises huge red flags with LE and the prosecutors office.

It's just a matter of time..... :jail:

YEAH!!!!!! Agree, Cubby and Zweibel!!!!

 

[Cubby]

And on the note of a matter of time. There is court documentation indicating the grandson has already profited by having his debt to Bob relieved, and the items on the mile long memorabilia list going to Bob's daughters.

It's a wonder why each of them chooses to play Russian roulette with the possibility of Bob's case meeting the special circumstances for a death penalty case, rather than making a deal and taking the possibility of the DP off the table.

Special Circumstances in California Murder cases:

There is a long list of special circumstances that can turn an ordinary murder into a capital murder

, for which the penalty is life in prison without parole or the death penalty. These are:
2.1. Murder carried out for financial gain

Murder carried out in order to obtain some kind of financial benefit is special circumstances murder.23
For this special circumstance to apply, the following all have to be true:

1. The murder was intentional;
2. The murder was carried out for financial gain; AND
3. If the murder was a felony-murder
   
   where the felony was robbery, the defendant has to have expected that the financial gain was going to result from the death of the defendant.24 (Otherwise, every robbery-murder would also be a special circumstances murder.)25

http://www.shouselaw.com/special-circumstances-murder-california.html#2.1


From the Disappeared show which aired in Australia:

Det Radomski - convinced this was not a random attack. Have to look at someone in Bob's inner circle to get the truth. Friends and family will protect each other. The details lie in the battle for the money. I want to explore every avenue and keep the info coming in. Several twists and wouldn't be surprised to see more.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

Authorities are asking anyone with information about Harrod's disappearance to contact detective Dave Radomski at 714-993-8176, or contact the homicide hotline at 714-993-8166.

 

[Cubby]

I thought this might be a good time to bring forward the link to the court documents we do have on Bob's case.

Within the following thread are the docs which include the grandson's deposition, the mile long memorabilia list written by daughter JuM and the poison pen letter daughter RB sent to Bob's attorney.

CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



On another note, sometimes I wonder if daughter RB's focus on things which occured more than a half century ago are her means to keep her mind from considering the possibility her questioning Bob about the trust and her actions leading to the heated family meeting were the catalyst to Bob's disappearance. Even if she didn't personally disappear him herself.

 

[zwiebel]

Just thought I'd bump this interview - see if anyone can reconcile the 'Our father means the world to us' with 'he thought the dentures had gold in them' comments.

*ktla com3 - YouTube

I'm bumping this interview yet again because I would really like to get your input on the more relevant timeline, legally brunette. I've seen your posts on other threads and like your analytical skills. And this is the timeline I have never been able to make any sense of at all.

Here Jum, wife of JeM, the last known person to see Bob, says Bob disappeared,

Maybe one? Noon?

In a post she also said her father had been missing approx 28 hours, which made the disappearance,

11am

Daughter PB says she phoned Bob and overheard JeM say he was going to the hardware store at approx,

11am-12pm

The housekeeper in the original 'Disappeared' clip says she arrived at the empty house, and was let in by JeM returning from somewhere at,

12pm

Son-in-Law JeM, meanwhile, produced a receipt as an alibi for,

3.04pm

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I'm bumping this interview yet again because I would really like to get your input on the more relevant timeline, legally brunette. I've seen your posts on other threads and like your analytical skills. And this is the timeline I have never been able to make any sense of at all.

Here Jum, wife of JeM, the last known person to see Bob, says Bob disappeared,

Maybe one? Noon?

In a post she also said her father had been missing approx 28 hours, which made the disappearance,

11am

Daughter PB says she phoned Bob and overheard JeM say he was going to the hardware store at approx,

11am-12pm

The housekeeper in the original 'Disappeared' clip says she arrived at the empty house, and was let in by JeM returning from somewhere at,

12pm

Son-in-Law JeM, meanwhile, produced a receipt as an alibi for,

3.04pm

Hi,

I've watched that interview a few times, you are across this - do you know approximately when it was done? How soon after family 'realised' that Dad was missing? I know she turns to someone and says 'maybe noon, 1pm'.

Housekeeper said she arrived at house, knocked and nobody there so she waited on the bench outside and SIL returned and let her in. Bob had asked her to come that day to get house ready for F arrival, in particular to put brand new sheets on the bed. That could explain why his bed wasn't made, contrary to his usual habit - according to the housekeeper.

When they went inside SIL went upstairs to look because housekeeper was afraid what she might find.
SIL came downstairs 'after a few minutes' and said Bob wasn't there. They then got on with their respective tasks.

Did SIL go back out again in the afternoon to get more supplies?

SIL left the house to go home before housekeeper?

Trouble with this timeline is sources - noticed already in MSM there are mistakes with years and times which I attribute to the journos, not the interviewee giving misinformation.

I believe that telephone records for that day haven't been released by LE?

If so, the only timeline evidence for that day that is verifiable by us is the Home Depot receipt. There would have been store cctv to show who purchased the goods.

LE would surely have some cctv from traffic cameras that might verify who was going where at what time. And what other vehicle might have been lurking/calling by to pick Bob up. A black vehicle perhaps?

Are LE still proactive on this or has it all gone quiet?

(Appreciate the input re 'young' brides in MO. I remember the Jerry Lee Lewis thing too ]

Re the dementia thing, patients can be sharp as in one area and suggestible in another. Bob would have been vulnerable still grieving the loss of his wife the year before, then his little dog. Add to that normal cognitive decline in an 80 year old, actually an undernourished 80 year old (5'11" and only 140lbs), plus the evidence of inappropriate money to a conniving BL.

Feel free to put your answers in this text underneath my questions

Cheers,
LB

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I thought this might be a good time to bring forward the link to the court documents we do have on Bob's case.

Within the following thread are the docs which include the grandson's deposition, the mile long memorabilia list written by daughter JuM and the poison pen letter daughter RB sent to Bob's attorney.

CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



On another note, sometimes I wonder if daughter RB's focus on things which occured more than a half century ago are her means to keep her mind from considering the possibility her questioning Bob about the trust and her actions leading to the heated family meeting were the catalyst to Bob's disappearance. Even if she didn't personally disappear him herself.

Hi,

Thank you for links to court docs

My bolding above for emphasis. My questions about the 'romance' are my own questions from reading threads and MSM material on this case. I know nothing about Bob's daughters apart from what is on here and two MSM videos, the interview with youngest daughter and the report showing the girls greeting F when she arrived from CA.

I did the maths and the numbers didn't work.
Input from Zwie on here in part clarifies my questions about such a young girl being allowed to date and become engaged to a man 8 years older.

In 1949 Australia the age of consent for marriage age was 21, parental consent could be given if aged 18-21, 16-18 needed a court order. We all approach problems from our own background and sometimes need a nudge and reminding that things are different elsewhere.

While the issue of authenticity of the relationship and engagement in 1950 may not be pivotal to Bob's disappearance it is part of the whole story and relevant. IMO there are still holes in it like Swiss cheese:twocents:

 

[Cubby]

You mention the legal age of marriage in Australia. Are you in Australia, legally brunette? If so, did you get to see the Disappeared episode on Bob's case which aired in Australia on March 7? (or was it the 8th? The time differences confuse me. It was either the 7th or 8th.)


FWIW, the legal age to marry in Missouri in 1950 was 15 with parental consent for both men and women. In 1950 there were a few states with min ages for women as young as 12, 13 and 14 with parental consent. Teens could go to another state to marry and often did if the legal age in their own state didn't allow it. With the females parents consent, Bob could have legally married someone as young as 12 in 1950, if he so chose.

http://www.roa.unimaas.nl/seminars/pdf2007/blank_271107.pdf

(pg 41 of 47 in the above pdf file)

 

[LegallyBrunette]

You mention the legal age of marriage in Australia. Are you in Australia, legally brunette? If so, did you get to see the Disappeared episode on Bob's case which aired in Australia on March 7? (or was it the 8th? The time differences confuse me. It was either the 7th or 8th.)


FWIW, the legal age to marry in Missouri in 1950 was 15 with parental consent for both men and women. In 1950 there were a few states with min ages for women as young as 12, 13 and 14 with parental consent. Teens could go to another state to marry and often did if the legal age in their own state didn't allow it. With the females parents consent, Bob could have legally married someone as young as 12 in 1950, if he so chose.

http://www.roa.unimaas.nl/seminars/pdf2007/blank_271107.pdf

(pg 41 of 47 in the above pdf file)

Yes in Australia, haven't watched episode yet but read transcript.

Time zone - east coast Australia current time almost 1500/3pm on Sunday.
It is almost midnight east coast USA, 9pm west coast - Saturday.

East coast australia we are 15 hours ahead of east coast USA, 18 hours ahead of west coast. Some states here are currently on daylight saving time, so current time here is GMT + 11.

You learn something every day, thank you for the very interesting info on legal ages for marriage in 1949. Australian law changed in the 70's when age of consent became 18 instead of 21. Age of consent being the same as legal capacity, to marry, vote, drink alcohol, enter into contracts.
We used to have a big party for our 21st birthday and got a symbolic 'key to the door', to signify adulthood.
The age was 21 from the start of the colony in 1788, mirroring English law. Prior to computers it was fairly easy to get fake ID so some might have married younger without parental consent. But not at 12 :twocents:

 

[Seajay]

So is the idea that Bob thought Fontelle was someone else??? Someone else he loved and wanted to marry but couldn't?? He remembers a girl with long hair but Fontelle had short hair?

I noticed in the account of Bob's sister, that he met Georgia somewhere, sounds like while they were out. I thought Bob rented a room from Georgia's uncle and that Georgia came over to the uncles house sometimes and that's where she met Bob, then fell in love with him.

Now I'm confused. I thought what kept Fontelle and Bob apart was someone intercepting their letters to one another. The way Bob's sister tells it, Bob was footloose and fancy free to date Georgia and had no encumbrances on his status whatsoever.

So is the idea that this whole romance was made up and that Bob wasn't of sound enough mind to remember it for hmself so that he was TOLD he had a relationship with Fontelle??

That sound crazy. The next step would be to state that Fontelle was a gold digger who contacted him, pretended to know him from years ago, get him to marry her so she could inherit everything.

I don't like this line of thinking at all. This would have never occurred to me. I know others have said that the only dates that matter are the timeline of the day Bob disappeared, but his story is important and it should be right.

 

[zwiebel]

Hi,

I've watched that interview a few times, you are across this - do you know approximately when it was done? How soon after family 'realised' that Dad was missing? I know she turns to someone and says 'maybe noon, 1pm'.

I believe it was the 28th, day after Bob vanished. I don't believe there was anybody with JuM that day.

Housekeeper said she arrived at house, knocked and nobody there so she waited on the bench outside and SIL returned and let her in. Bob had asked her to come that day to get house ready for F arrival, in particular to put brand new sheets on the bed. That could explain why his bed wasn't made, contrary to his usual habit - according to the housekeeper.

I haven't seen any references by the housekeeper that Bob asked her to come and change the sheets. Only that she never had to make the bed. Seems to have been all JuM's idea. JuM was the one who changed the sheets on an already made bed (see LE report, eve of disappearance), the day after.

When they went inside SIL went upstairs to look because housekeeper was afraid what she might find.
SIL came downstairs 'after a few minutes' and said Bob wasn't there. They then got on with their respective tasks.

Did SIL go back out again in the afternoon to get more supplies?

Maybe. LE said he made 'multiple trips' that day.

SIL left the house to go home before housekeeper?

Disappeared show said he did.

Trouble with this timeline is sources - noticed already in MSM there are mistakes with years and times which I attribute to the journos, not the interviewee giving misinformation.

Maybe one? Noon? is definitely JuM speaking. Daughter PB wrote about her 11-12 telephone call on Bob's Namus page.

I believe that telephone records for that day haven't been released by LE?

Not to me, at least. They'd be most welcome though!

If so, the only timeline evidence for that day that is verifiable by us is the Home Depot receipt. There would have been store cctv to show who purchased the goods.

Yes. LE said they were checking that to see if JeM was alone or Bob was with him. Home Depot is very good with cctv.

LE would surely have some cctv from traffic cameras that might verify who was going where at what time. And what other vehicle might have been lurking/calling by to pick Bob up. A black vehicle perhaps?

If they do, they are obviously satisfied there were not any other suspicious black vehicles, as there hasn't been a dickey bird about it since then. No appeals for sightings. Including from JeM, the one who AH (JeM's son), said had seen it in the first place. LE stated the hairdresser had a solid alibi.

Are LE still proactive on this or has it all gone quiet?

No public statements recently. Maybe we should ask for an update?

(Appreciate the input re 'young' brides in MO. I remember the Jerry Lee Lewis thing too

Re the dementia thing, patients can be sharp as in one area and suggestible in another. Bob would have been vulnerable still grieving the loss of his wife the year before, then his little dog. Add to that normal cognitive decline in an 80 year old, actually an undernourished 80 year old (5'11" and only 140lbs), plus the evidence of inappropriate money to a conniving BL.

Many men are suggestible to marriage, friendship, romance, cognitive decline or not. They do it all the time, at many ages. Bob didn't think the money he gave was inappropriate. He chose not to accept help offered by social services called by his daughters. Friend and neighbour says Bob gave his new car to daughter PB because he didn't like it. Some might say that was inappropriate/cognitive impairment too.

Feel free to put your answers in this text underneath my questions



Cheers,
LB

Cheers mate!

 

[zwiebel]

So is the idea that Bob thought Fontelle was someone else??? Someone else he loved and wanted to marry but couldn't?? He remembers a girl with long hair but Fontelle had short hair?

I noticed in the account of Bob's sister, that he met Georgia somewhere, sounds like while they were out. I thought Bob rented a room from Georgia's uncle and that Georgia came over to the uncles house sometimes and that's where she met Bob, then fell in love with him.

Now I'm confused. I thought what kept Fontelle and Bob apart was someone intercepting their letters to one another. The way Bob's sister tells it, Bob was footloose and fancy free to date Georgia and had no encumbrances on his status whatsoever.

So is the idea that this whole romance was made up and that Bob wasn't of sound enough mind to remember it for hmself so that he was TOLD he had a relationship with Fontelle??

That sound crazy. The next step would be to state that Fontelle was a gold digger who contacted him, pretended to know him from years ago, get him to marry her so she could inherit everything.

I don't like this line of thinking at all. This would have never occurred to me. I know others have said that the only dates that matter are the timeline of the day Bob disappeared, but his story is important and it should be right.

This line of reasoning (not you Seajay, I mean the reasoning 'out there') just makes me giggle. If all us sleuthers are still back and forthing over Bob's wealth/Trust; if even his own daughters spent months trying to get documents for their own mother's will........

Well, the thought of a 74-year-old, legally blind, non-computer using lady down in MO managing to sleuth out all the details of Bob's money in advance, is just......giggleworthy! As Legallybrunette and others have pointed out, Bob kept his wealth well below the radar.

 

[zwiebel]

One more point, about the malnourished thing. If it is true, then I find it very, very telling that Bob was suffering from malnutrition with so many close family members living nearby.

And I don't know about anybody else, but Bob looks pretty chirpy and happy in that video. Maybe that's what a couple of weeks of good home-cooking and loving attention can do for an undernourished person?