CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[deca]

so I guess sreshowtime's question would be...

"Why the heck would you calmly go about your day if your (doesn't drive much, forgetful *) FIL/father went missing-- and not report him to LE until 9 pm at night?"

*insinuated from Bob's children's quotes.


And that leads to my question: What were they all doing between 3 ish and 9? 3ish is when JeM has his receipt from HD, and it was around 9 when he was reported missing. What were they doing? Calling around? Driving around?

 

[zwiebel]

And don't forget, family members in California never did report Bob missing. It was Mrs Harrod who did, all the way from Missouri. Police must have found that a little strange in retrospect, I would have thought.

ETA: I think there were a lot of calls going around that night - somebody must have told AH, for example. Believe posted a lovely 'telephone tree' in a previous thread.

 

[believe09]

Here is something I put downstairs as well, but I recently found out that the National Park Service has an inter park radio system which has an emergency alerts channel. It is used frequently for missing persons-can you believe this?? We now have a contact and we are trying to coordinate a notification to be distributed for Bob and items that might be associated with his presence in the areas of interest....This is SO EXCITING!!! More to come on how this is going to roll out.

Bob, this is your year I think.

 

[vasportsmom]

Bob's "Still Missing" FB page is being run by someone other than family, right? I keep liking and sharing the statuses so I really hope so.

 

[believe09]

I think a few of our fellow sleuthers have the FB pages sourced-I am pretty sure that any FB you choose which has activity on it wont be run by family. Unfortunately.

Would someone weigh in? I do think it is important to remember that the family page was used to capture IP's in an attempt to intimidate.

 

[vasportsmom]

I think a few of our fellow sleuthers have the FB pages sourced-I am pretty sure that any FB you choose which has activity on it wont be run by family. Unfortunately.

Would someone weigh in? I do think it is important to remember that the family page was used to capture IP's in an attempt to intimidate.

I thought that it was run by a group from here. I can't remember how I found that page but it had to be a link from here or a share from one of the WS members that is on my friend's list.

 

[Scottndianner]

One of the issues that gets my hinky meter going, is the fact the family had called the police to conduct a welfare check??? The SIL was just there earlier in the day, I believe they all live within close proximity to one another?? The grandson had a key, i assume others did as well...Keyor no key, wouldn't you just drive over there yourself? Or at least contact other family members to conduct a "welfare" check? Is there any evidence that Bob was even there that morning/day? Why did Bob leave his bed unmade?

 

[Cubby]

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me. Clearly she was closer to him than any of her siblings-he asked her to take care of something so personal and intimate.

I wonder what other secrets she with held from her family members about her father's life? I assume this I guess because there was such a hue and cry about Mrs Harrod contacting Bob out of the blue and there were implications she had the wrong Bob Harrod yada yada....clearly PB knew better.

Interesting.

And if she knew better, why did she let it go on and on? She purposely and deliberately allowed confusing and misleading information to be fed to the public when she knew better all along. I wonder what else she knows that she is withholding.

 

[zwiebel]

I thought that it was run by a group from here. I can't remember how I found that page but it had to be a link from here or a share from one of the WS members that is on my friend's list.

It isn't me running it, but I'm quite happy that the stillmissing fb is run with Bob's very best interests at heart and isn't an IP collecting point.

 

[Cubby]

I think a few of our fellow sleuthers have the FB pages sourced-I am pretty sure that any FB you choose which has activity on it wont be run by family. Unfortunately.

Would someone weigh in? I do think it is important to remember that the family page was used to capture IP's in an attempt to intimidate.

It was my impression the family page was used to sleuth people who had joined using their real name. IMO, the IP addresses came from the owners or moderators on one of the forums the daughters post on.

Not sure if that is what you are looking for, but that is how I recall it.

 

[zwiebel]

And if she knew better, why did she let it go on and on? She purposely and deliberately allowed confusing and misleading information to be fed to the public when she knew better all along. I wonder what else she knows that she is withholding.

Wasn't there a yellow scrap of paper that PB didn't want to produce in the court case against the hairdresser, which the family lost? I wonder if other family members know what that was?

 

[MaryNo]

Respectfully BBM Yes, this is true. The page isn't run by the family. It appears this is a REAL attempt to gather information related to Bob's case, and finding Bob.

I'm not sure how people can use Facebook to capture IP's. I do know that a person can trace people, rather easily, by going backwards through their connections. I'll have to see if my neighbor is techno-savvy enough to explain it to me. I'll have to see if I'm smart enough to understand it LOL

I've also seen the family page/s, and it doesn't appear it was used to gather information on Bob. It appears Facebook was used to toy with people, and their charitable hearts.

I think a few of our fellow sleuthers have the FB pages sourced-I am pretty sure that any FB you choose which has activity on it wont be run by family. Unfortunately.

Would someone weigh in? I do think it is important to remember that the family page was used to capture IP's in an attempt to intimidate.

That's great :rose: vasports :rose:! I understand that there is a skittishness about getting involved with this case, because there has been a ton of animosity leveled at those with sincere motives. Certain family members have made it difficult to be charitable.

The people behind this page seem to be coming at this case from a different angle than the family. I believe that your efforts are very much appreciated, and these folks won't be treating you with anything other than respect, and gratitude. Thank you for getting involved! :rose:

Bob's "Still Missing" FB page is being run by someone other than family, right? I keep liking and sharing the statuses so I really hope so.

 

[MaryNo]

Hold it ... hold it ... hold it! Paula said that Bob would never discuss his personal business, as he was a very private person.

I'm sure you misspeak

Unless, naw, could it be, ANOTHER inconsistency from this doting daughter?

Respectfully snipped and bolded by me. Clearly she was closer to him than any of her siblings-he asked her to take care of something so personal and intimate.

I wonder what other secrets she with held from her family members about her father's life? I assume this I guess because there was such a hue and cry about Mrs Harrod contacting Bob out of the blue and there were implications she had the wrong Bob Harrod yada yada....clearly PB knew better.

Interesting.

 

[MaryNo]

Yes, now that you mention it, this is what I remember too! Either way, Facebook or forum, intimidation is not a viable means of finding a missing loved one. As a matter of fact, it deters people from looking too closely; unless, a person is spurred on by the challenge of seeing what people are trying to hide.

Hopefully, we'll get to see what's behind 'door #1' sooner than later

It was my impression the family page was used to sleuth people who had joined using their real name. IMO, the IP addresses came from the owners or moderators on one of the forums the daughters post on.

Not sure if that is what you are looking for, but that is how I recall it.

 

[believe09]

One of the issues that gets my hinky meter going, is the fact the family had called the police to conduct a welfare check??? The SIL was just there earlier in the day, I believe they all live within close proximity to one another?? The grandson had a key, i assume others did as well...Keyor no key, wouldn't you just drive over there yourself? Or at least contact other family members to conduct a "welfare" check? Is there any evidence that Bob was even there that morning/day? Why did Bob leave his bed unmade?

Yeah, quite a head scratcher isnt it?

How about some basic things like what he was wearing when he was last seen? For those of you who are newer to the case, the initial report was that Bob was dressed in white from his socks to his shoes to his shorts to his shirt to his belt.

He would have been hard to miss, imo.

The clothing description was later revised by PB when she established the NAMUS entry iirc. So someone must have changed their mind as to what he was wearing-it had to be JeM because he was the LKA contact.

I bet everyone wishes they could turn back the clock-that they could have been kinder, more attentive, closer knit perhaps.

In any case, we dont know that AH had just arrived at Bob's house when PPD arrived for the well being check....someone recently pointed that out ...might have been Oriah? I am not sure.

 

[believe09]

It was my impression the family page was used to sleuth people who had joined using their real name. IMO, the IP addresses came from the owners or moderators on one of the forums the daughters post on.

Not sure if that is what you are looking for, but that is how I recall it.

Thanks-the information gathering on people trying to help blends together after a while.

 

[MaryNo]

Respectfully BBM

I don't think this went over well with the Judge, did it? To know that something was a gift, and claim in court it was a loan is frowned upon. Not a good thing to do.

I believe she also said in a sworn deposition that she'd seen Bob 4 days before he disappeared, rather than the meeting on Sunday. Oops!

There was also the confusion over what time she called Bob on Monday. She claimed a phone call to be her own 11:45, though can she really be sure? I mean it was "private", and it was pointed out to her later. (Caller ID, maybe, Police?)

There is the omission of Bob's notes re: Fontelle being added to Bob's accounts. I think all of them forgot that. Maybe, "Disappeared" reminded them.

Maybe, it wasn't Bob they were talking about when they were mentioning forgetfulness.

Wasn't there a yellow scrap of paper that PB didn't want to produce in the court case against the hairdresser, which the family lost? I wonder if other family members know what that was?

 

[zwiebel]

It isn't possible to trace an IP address from someone's fb profile. FB certainly wouldn't give that info away - it's highly valuable to them. I think police under special circumstances and with a warrant can get it.

 

[Cubby]

Wasn't there a yellow scrap of paper that PB didn't want to produce in the court case against the hairdresser, which the family lost? I wonder if other family members know what that was?

Yes, there was..... Starting at page 3 line 4 of the court doc here

Paula testified that she did find a "yellow piece of paper" written by her father identifying all the money he had given Paddleford as a gift.

Paula then goes on to explain why she did not produce that piece of paper in response to the defendants demand for production......

That's two things she withheld. 1) That Bob sought out Fontelle before Fontelle contacted him several months later.... and 2) that she had documentation that the money her father gave BL was a gift.

Additionally, going back to the Disappeared episode, at one point when Paula looks away with tears in her eyes and says something like, 'and it caused a problem', she looked like she was holding a tremendous amount of guilt and had already put the pieces together.

Later during the episode, which was filmed prior to the bringing the BL to trial, Paula states, "I think the barber woman's motive would be to not pay back my dad for all the money that she had borrowed from him. That's the only thing I could think of".

Yet, the BL does not owe her father any money, but her nephew does. A tremendous amount of money having borrowed more than a half million dollars from Bob which he did not repay and the co-conservators made some kind of 'secret deal' with him to let him out of the money he owed Bob.

Is it just me, or did Paula attach a strong motive for which her nephew and his father might be responsible to the BL? Maybe she was trying to tell us something indirectly.

 

[believe09]

I heard from Geocaching.com-they gave me the go a head and a plan of action. I think we need to make a Missing Poster specifically geared towards hikers and cachers. I asked on the SAR thread for suggestions on what details would be the most important at this point. Head on down the stairs at the link in my signature and we can hash it out-I dont want to take up room on this very long thread.