CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[StormyNights]

I have just finished reading through this entire thread and also watched Mr. Herrod's episode on Disappeared. What a mess. My head was spinning from all of this. Seems like there may be some long stares at his daughter, if I am following this correctly. Would his children stand to inherit a substancial amount of money? What his wife that he just married. Wouldn't she become sole beneficiary upon Mr. Harrod's death? I wonder if his new bride feels fearful of her life at all? I just hope Mr. Harrod is found safe. I know that hope is fading quite a bit, so if he can't be found safe, at least found so he can be laid to rest properly. This whole case is just so hinky and I feel like I go in circles after looking at all the players :banghead:

 

[zwiebel]

Welcome to Bob's thread, Stormy nights. Bob's estate was in a family trust, set up to be passed on to his three daughters. Aside from tax reasons, part of the purpose of trusts like that is often to protect assets from claims by previous partners and other relatives, etc. So the CA automatic 50/50 doesn't apply here, I think.

 

[jking]

One of the issues that gets my hinky meter going, is the fact the family had called the police to conduct a welfare check??? The SIL was just there earlier in the day, I believe they all live within close proximity to one another?? The grandson had a key, i assume others did as well...Keyor no key, wouldn't you just drive over there yourself? Or at least contact other family members to conduct a "welfare" check? Is there any evidence that Bob was even there that morning/day? Why did Bob leave his bed unmade?

That was the first thing that stood out to me- no one I know would ever ask for a welfare check on one of their family members if they lived nearby and had access to a key to their house! They only did this for show-as a record that they were concerned and had to call the police to check on their father.

 

[zwiebel]

And grandson AH waiting outside on the drive for police to arrive and accompany him inside seems very odd for an action man too. I don't see how it could have been fear of finding something, or someone dangerous being inside either. His father JeM would have told him there was nobody and nothing there earlier in the day, surely?

 

[believe09]

And grandson AH waiting outside on the drive for police to arrive and accompany him inside seems very odd for an action man too. I don't see how it could have been fear of finding something, or someone dangerous being inside either. His father JeM would have told him there was nobody and nothing there earlier in the day, surely?

Plus he self reports being an EMT. He cant possibly have been worried about finding an injury-surely he would have been more prepared than most?

I bet the sworn officers who responded thought that was pretty hinky too...

 

[shana]

BBM

Welcome to Bob's thread, Stormy nights. Bob's estate was in a family trust, set up to be passed on to his three daughters. Aside from tax reasons, part of the purpose of trusts like that is often to protect assets from claims by previous partners and other relatives, etc. So the CA automatic 50/50 doesn't apply here, I think.

I think you might want to check again.

Generally speaking...

A family trust such as the one setup by Mr Harrod and his long-term wife (mother of his children) was funded by community assets.

I believe you are referring to California as a community property state, which it is. Wealth/assets (as well as debts/liabilities) acquired during the marriage are treated as 50/50 community. As such, the assets would form the funding of the HFT.

IOW, a spouse cannot claim the Estate as hir own when creating a Trust. Good news for females who supported their husbands' careers as well as raised the children and managed the household.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

This discussion keeps going round & round for years with the same things over all of the threads...so we now once again revisit this issue about who had the house key.

It is my understanding that AH did NOT have a key to Mr Harrod's home but instead had to get one from a neighbor in order to let LE in for a Well-Being check.

He was closest geographically to the Carnation Drive residence at that time. Mr Harrod's daughters were not; and yes, one or more of them may have been at work and didn't learn about his disappearance until well into the evening. That said, who do you think called for the check?

None of this appears suspicious to me in the least. As a grown woman living some miles apart from my elderly parents, I did not keep tabs on their daily comings & goings, nor what clothes they were wearing every single day, whether they had a hat or glasses with them when they ventured forth from their home, etc.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

BBM



I think you might want to check again.

Generally speaking...

A family trust such as the one setup by Mr Harrod and his long-term wife (mother of his children) was funded by community assets.

I believe you are referring to California as a community property state, which it is. Wealth/assets (as well as debts/liabilities) acquired during the marriage are treated as 50/50 community. As such, the assets would form the funding of the HFT.

IOW, a spouse cannot claim the Estate as hir own when creating a Trust. Good news for females who supported their husbands' careers as well as raised the children and managed the household.

~jmo~

I think we have our wires crossed. I meant the 50/50 rule didn't apply to Fontelle, not Georgia.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

This discussion keeps going round & round for years with the same things over all of the threads...so we now once again revisit this issue about who had the house key.

It is my understanding that AH did NOT have a key to Mr Harrod's home but instead had to get one from a neighbor in order to let LE in for a Well-Being check.

He was closest geographically to the Carnation Drive residence at that time. Mr Harrod's daughters were not; and yes, one or more of them may have been at work and didn't learn about his disappearance until well into the evening. That said, who do you think called for the check?

None of this appears suspicious to me in the least. As a grown woman living some miles apart from my elderly parents, I did not keep tabs on their daily comings & goings, nor what clothes they were wearing every single day, whether they had a hat or glasses with them when they ventured forth from their home, etc.

~jmo~

I wouldn't have expected Bob's daughters to do that either. But I would have expected son-in-law JeM to have been able to let them know the time period in which Bob went missing, and what he was wearing. Because JeM was in the house with him that day.

 

[zwiebel]

Good news everyone - I've been following the short but very worrying case of another baptist boy, in Kentucky. News suddenly came through last night he has been located, alive. I am so glad. His church and community really pulled together, right from the start.

It's amazing what a group of people working hard, together, can achieve. Bob's search and rescue thread is leaving me completely breathless at the moment!

 

[shana]

I think we have our wires crossed. I meant the 50/50 rule didn't apply to Fontelle, not Georgia.

OK, fair enough, but my wires are not crossed. I took your post at its face value. The Trust terms obviously did NOT apply to Fontelle.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

BBM



I wouldn't have expected Bob's daughters to do that either. But I would have expected son-in-law JeM to have been able to let them know the time period in which Bob went missing, and what he was wearing. Because JeM was in the house with him that day.

Again, fair enough...but you've introduced a new subject in your reply.

As I've posted before, Mr Harrod wore muted neutral colors most often from what I've read. Generally speaking, men do not pay close attention to the wardrobe choices of another, especially when it comes down to specifics such as if the shirt fabric had a pattern on it.

Secondly, how do you know that JeM has NOT provided essential details to LE? He is not mandated to publicize his info for 'case followers' on the net.

~jmo~

 

[shana]

BBM

Good news everyone - I've been following the short but very worrying case of another baptist boy, in Kentucky. News suddenly came through last night he has been located, alive. I am so glad. His church and community really pulled together, right from the start.

It's amazing what a group of people working hard, together, can achieve. Bob's search and rescue thread is leaving me completely breathless at the moment!

Thanks, zwiebel. I'm glad this person has been located alive. I also agree with you that ppl pulling together can help LE in some cases.

So, Mr Harrod was a Baptist boy? What church did he attend? Perhaps you can contact it to help in the search!

~jmo~

 

[shana]

And grandson AH waiting outside on the drive for police to arrive and accompany him inside seems very odd for an action man too. I don't see how it could have been fear of finding something, or someone dangerous being inside either. His father JeM would have told him there was nobody and nothing there earlier in the day, surely?

It does not seem unusual to me, once LE had been called, to wait for them before entering the house of a missing person (my relative), and wisely so.

JeM had left hours before. I don't fault AH for being apprehensive as well as cautious, because any number of events could have occurred since his father left the premises.

Given the same circumstances, I would also have waited for LE...even though, in my situation, I did have a key to the home of my parents.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

BBM



Thanks, zwiebel. I'm glad this person has been located alive. I also agree with you that ppl pulling together can help LE in some cases.

So, Mr Harrod was a Baptist boy? What church did he attend? Perhaps you can contact it to help in the search!

~jmo~

I am not certain, but I think they may already have been approached. It would be wonderful if one of Bob's daughters could approach the community though. I am sure Bob and Georgia would have involved their daughters in church activities while bringing them up, and a family member with links to the community is much more likely to receive support, I'd think.

 

[shana]

Also, lest ppl get the wrong idea, I am ALL for finding Mr Harrod with the latest suggestions such as geocaching and hikers, etc.

I hope it is not too late for these ideas to be implemented with productive results, after these many years.

Mr Harrod surely needs to be found, even if it should come to locating his remains. :-(

~jmo~

 

[shana]

I am not certain, but I think they may already have been approached. It would be wonderful if one of Bob's daughters could approach the community though. I am sure Bob and Georgia would have involved their daughters in church activities while bringing them up, and a family member with links to the community is much more likely to receive support, I'd think.

Confining my reply to the subject...

Oh, that's great if the Church has been approached, and hopefully back in 2009. I've not heard anything about what the local has done, nor am I even aware that Mr Harrod and his family attended regularly.

I also don't know about what the Harrods did for their children in terms of religious education...a blank for me. Maybe you or another of the group can fill me in, and TIA if so!

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

"In addition to being actively involved in Monrovia Job's daughters, PTA and Brownies..."

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/whittierdailynews/obituary.aspx?n=georgia-may-harrod&pid=106570728

 

[believe09]

This discussion keeps going round & round for years with the same things over all of the threads...so we now once again revisit this issue about who had the house key.

It is my understanding that AH did NOT have a key to Mr Harrod's home but instead had to get one from a neighbor in order to let LE in for a Well-Being check.

He was closest geographically to the Carnation Drive residence at that time. Mr Harrod's daughters were not; and yes, one or more of them may have been at work and didn't learn about his disappearance until well into the evening. That said, who do you think called for the check?

None of this appears suspicious to me in the least. As a grown woman living some miles apart from my elderly parents, I did not keep tabs on their daily comings & goings, nor what clothes they were wearing every single day, whether they had a hat or glasses with them when they ventured forth from their home, etc.

~jmo~

I think it is terribly suspicious. JeM spent hours with his FIL that day. Reportedly. There was no report made of muted colors-the report was that he was clad in white from head to toe and then that was changed with the NAMUS entry.

There are allegations made by the children that Bob was frail, that he was depressed, that he was not eating after Georgia's death, that he was confused, that he couldnt walk distances. Yet no one could be bothered to physically check themselves on his well being.

If no one had keys to his house, I will make the determination for myself that this is related to the enforced distance he put between his children and himself after Georgia died. The one he put into place, according to Detective Radomski, because they were badgering him about money.

However, even if his bio children could not be bothered to travel to Placentia to check on their elderly father, AH was right there. This has to be the first MP case I have ever heard of where a loved one was so concerned, he did nothing but wait in the driveway of the house until police showed up. That he refused to enter the house, allegedly, without their presence.

AH says he is an EMT, but it must be on paper only. IMO, it is fair to say he believed strongly that his grandfather was not lying prone in the house somewhere needing medical assistance. Either he knew it, or he didnt care. That is what I see from the outside looking in.

 

[believe09]

"In addition to being actively involved in Monrovia Job's daughters, PTA and Brownies..."

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/whittierdailynews/obituary.aspx?n=georgia-may-harrod&pid=106570728

TY Z. Another resource for you, shana, would be JuM herself. She is voluble regarding her past spiritual history and upbringing on her community forum.