CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #17

[zwiebel]

I think it is possible, but not having exited via a window. Didn't JeM go around back to let himself and the CL in? Having gone around back would have let anyone in the house exit the front door. Whomever was in the house would have been alerted to CL's presence because of her knocking and possibly calling. Perhaps someone in the house then contacted JeM to let him know the CL had shown up. Alerting him to enter via the back door instead of the front......

Didn't think of that. In the video shots of Bob himself at home, the back garden itself looks kind of enclosed, but there are two side exits leading to the front?

 

[Cubby]

Yes, there is a side entrance via the gate directly next to the garage. (opposite side of the front door.) JeM bringing CL to the back would allow AH to exit the front.

I'm not following why two side gates would be necessary. The one next to the garage keeps the front door hidden. If JeM and CL entered that way, AH could exit the front door without being seen.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

I think if Bob walked over to AH's house that morning someone would have seen him. The neighbors reported not having seen Bob since Saturday the 25th, the day prior to the heated family meeting.

Maybe AH drove over to Bob's house and arrived prior to his dad arriving that Monday morning?

What kind of vehicle did AH have at the time his grandfather went missing? Does he still have it or did he get rid of the car? And if so, when did he get rid of the car? Was the car he owned at the time of Bob's disappearance ever processed?

I have to think that LE was unable to verify that first trip to HD, because if they had, I can't imagine why Bob's daughters would not have stated there were two trips out and which trip out it was that JeM arrived at Bob's to find the housekeeper waiting.

There is too much omitted and too many questions evaded by Bob's daughter's for this to have been done by someone outside the 5 members of their immediate family.

I'm not so sure that anyone would have remembered seeing JeM walking. He looks like he fits into the demographic of the neighbourhood. In fact, didn't JeM and JuM live in that neighbourhood until they moved to RS?

In any case, Placentia strikes me as being basically a bedroom community that probably empties out during normal business hours.

Good point about the possibility that AH drove over to Bob's house before JeM arrived. Particularly in light of his extremely curious comments to Mr Algohirri (sp? Fontelle's lawyer).

 

[sreshowtime]

now what would someone have been in there doing sans vehicle
unless CL 'interrupted' some event transpiring
I still wonder if Bob was still in there, incapacitated, hidden in an area the CL would have no biz entering/checking
and then the coast cleared
oh the theories

 

[zwiebel]

Yes, there is a side entrance via the gate directly next to the garage. (opposite side of the front door.) JeM bringing CL to the back would allow AH to exit the front.

I'm not following why two side gates would be necessary. The one next to the garage keeps the front door hidden. If JeM and CL entered that way, AH could exit the front door without being seen.

Not necessary at all. I'm just still trying to get a picture of the house in my head, beause I am so, so bad at visualising plans or even single dimension things. I can't even do it with my own house, and I live here. I marked all the kitchen wiring in our bedroom for our electrician on a plan, without knowing it. That caused a very heated meeting or two.

I think deca posted the living quarters of these types of houses are mostly at the back, so the housekkeeper would have walked back there, I suppose. She wouldn't have been anywhere near a front window, to see anyone going away.

In videos it looks like there is a long hallway going straight from the front door to a door out back. Then in video of Bob he's standing beside his phone in a kind of hallway with a railing, but there seems to be the kitchen next door so I don't think it is upstairs.

I'd love to know what room the window to the left of the front door, (as you are looking at it from the street) is. If I ever do find a floorplan, I have all the means in place to make a 3d model for us.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm not so sure that anyone would have remembered seeing JeM walking. He looks like he fits into the demographic of the neighbourhood. In fact, didn't JeM and JuM live in that neighbourhood until they moved to RS?

In any case, Placentia strikes me as being basically a bedroom community that probably empties out during normal business hours.

Good point about the possibility that AH drove over to Bob's house before JeM arrived. Particularly in light of his extremely curious comments to Mr Algohirri (sp? Fontelle's lawyer).

They lived next door I think, in the house where the woman was murdered and someone was recently charged with the crime? I know they did move to Running Springs, but at some point the entire Michael's family are listed as living in the Windflower Lane house, (including grandson's wife) which I can't work out.

 

[sreshowtime]

now going along that train of thought of someone in the house- Now, what if someone was a passenger and suddenly upon realizing CL was there ( supposedly without a vehicle though?) 'who is that on the porch??
had to duck quick!! hence the others going around back to enter the house together.
And the ducker made a hasty get away....

 

[zwiebel]

The 'stoop' I guess is the step by the front door, tucked away at the end of that kind of open corridor thingy? I'm not sure anyone would see someone sitting on it until they pulled their car right up on the drive, by which time the person of the stoop would have seen them too?

 

[Cubby]

Yes, there is a side entrance via the gate directly next to the garage. (opposite side of the front door.) JeM bringing CL to the back would allow AH to exit the front.

I'm not following why two side gates would be necessary. The one next to the garage keeps the front door hidden. If JeM and CL entered that way, AH could exit the front door without being seen.

Sorry to quote myself. I was in a hurry earlier and did not mean to imply the gated entrance was in the back of the house (if I did, it reads that way to me.) The gated entrance next to the garage is in the front of the house. The garage door is between the front door and side gated entrance.

hope that is more clear.....

 

[zwiebel]

Here is the stoop where I think the housekeeper was sitting. Vehicles would park to the right, as you're looking at the photo.

 

[zwiebel]

There isn'a stoop or even an English step in front of that front door! Where was she sitting?

 

[zwiebel]

I hope I haven't been misunderstanding what a stoop is all this time. It is a step, right?

 

[sreshowtime]

If that bench was there then , she could have been sitting on it., a little hidden...

Someone approaching from the east just might happen to notice her before they started to make their turn to swing in to park beside Bob's car... and at first glance, would she have even noticed a passenger, being further way from her? What kind of tint on windows?

While an approach from the west, could have been more surprising...not seeing her as easily...

 

[Cubby]

Here is the stoop where I think the housekeeper was sitting. Vehicles would park to the right, as you're looking at the photo.

Yes, and to the right of the garage door is a wooden gate which leads from the front of the house to the back of the house alongside the garage wall. It's a narrow walkway with a tall fire wall? and some trees which block the neighbors view on that side.

You can do a street view of the house from google maps. You can see the full front of Bob's home from that view.

hth

 

[deca]

Ok, although I cannot be 100% sure what the floorplan of the house is, it is very very similar looking to the neighborhood I am familiar with on the other side of LA- looks and year built.

If you enter the front door you will be in an open entryway.All these directions will be from standing in the front entry. To the left there is a formal living room. This is that front window. Towards the back of that open formal room, in the back left of that house (if you are facing it) is the formal dining room. In front of you is a kitchen and casual eating area. In the back of the house, right corner is an informal living room. So along the back wall, the informal living opens to the kitchen which opens to the formal dining. There is a staircase that goes up from the entry way.

Behind the garage, so alongside the rt house wall, is usually a powder room and a guest bedroom/office.

Upstairs there would be two bedrooms, a bath and a master bedroom with an ensuite bathroom. I have seen it with the master windows towards the back or front of the house. Usually if there are two windows above the garage, that is the two bedrooms. If it is one large window it is usually the master. The bedroom are oriented towards the right and back- so over the garage, guest, informal living room and kitchen.

Like I said, I can't be sure but that is what I think.

I also just looked at realtor.com to see if a similar house is for sale in that neighborhood, but nothing currently.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

They lived next door I think, in the house where the woman was murdered and someone was recently charged with the crime? I know they did move to Running Springs, but at some point the entire Michael's family are listed as living in the Windflower Lane house, (including grandson's wife) which I can't work out.

What is it that you can't work out about the arrangement? Sounds pretty common to me, at least for this part of the world.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

There isn'a stoop or even an English step in front of that front door! Where was she sitting?

Stoop is a regionalism, more common to the east coast where it usually refers to one or more steps leading directly to the entry door of the house.

Porch is what midwesterners and Californians would call the arrangement in front of Bob's house (at least, according to the sample of myself and the California boy).

As I look at the front porch, it sure looks like there is a wooden bench on the porch with the back against the house, facing the street. My assumption is that was where the CL was sitting.

 

[Cubby]

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Porch and concrete stoop.

hth

 

[sreshowtime]

Mr. H has a new media spot out, in Monrovia Now! heh
http://www.monrovianow.com/2013/09/looking-for-missing-man-former-monrovian.html

 

[zwiebel]

Yay, more good news!

We'd have found that eventually sres, if you hadn't told us. Then I'd have been complaining that no-one ever tells me anything.